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VIXIV

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"Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« on: March 30, 2009, 09:02:21 AM »
I was just watching a few older matches on YouTube ('98 Nat. Championship Weber v. Ozio and '98 Nat. Finance Championship WRW v. Voss). I think it's kinda neat that back then fans were "allowed" to be a little more demonstrative w/ their cheering. It's not wild or anything, but people are clapping rhythmically, and chanting "Pete, Pete, Pete, Pete!!" and "Ozio! O-o-o-o-o!!" WHILE the bowlers are bowling.

What happened to that? It looked to me that the bowlers didn't mind too much. Was it just the particular bowlers I was watching? In the 2 examples I watched, all 4 guys took you with them and let you know how they felt physically and verbally. Or did something bad happen where some fan got out of control? Is there some kind of "please observe respectful silence" rule?

I mean, I get it both ways. If hearing the crowd cheering helps you keep your energy up, fine. If you need stillness so you can better concentrate, also fine. Now, if a camera clicks, it's a distraction. But, I get that too. Now, the crowd is usually applauding until the 1st bowler up gets on the approach and lines up. Then they go silent, cheer/ooh/ah depending on the result, and recycle. So there's a rhythm there. But it's not like in those older matches I mentioned where pretty much throughout the match, people were clapping and cheering and whoo-hoo-ing.

Aaaaaanyway...I guess I'm just interested in what you guys would consider "noise." Especially those who've been playing this sport longer than me. Which is probably almost everybody, since I only started ALMOST 2 years ago.
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Buddy Christ

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 05:04:18 PM »
I had that exact same thought while watching some older ones on YouTube! They were allowed to laugh, talk, cheer, whatever.. That has ALWAYS bothered me about the new PBA, being a 'silence'.

It might be too late to bring it back now, though.
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KennyRambo

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2009, 05:28:41 PM »
THey weren't allowed to cheer, they were told to cheer! I for one like the way it is now.
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Dan Belcher

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 05:39:39 PM »
The PBA USED to have silence before the shot, just like today.  Around '98 or so they tried changing it up for a couple years and encouraged the crowd to get into it.  After just two years or so, they went back to the silent treatment.  I personally prefer the silence-before-the-shot approach since it builds tension in my opinion.
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VIXIV

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2009, 05:52:36 PM »
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THey weren't allowed to cheer, they were told to cheer! I for one like the way it is now.

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The PBA USED to have silence before the shot, just like today. Around '98 or so they tried changing it up for a couple years and encouraged the crowd to get into it. After just two years or so, they went back to the silent treatment. I personally prefer the silence-before-the-shot approach since it builds tension in my opinion.

Ah. That explains why even if some guy completely whiffs at a single pin (or something that makes everyone go "Ooooooh!"), it's like it never happened because the crowd goes right back to cheering again.
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BrianCRX90

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2009, 07:14:13 PM »
If you go to the PBA.com board and bring this up people think it was the worst thing the PBA has ever done.

I disagree. I think it brings out more excitement in the crowd, the players are more pumped up and the announcers are more into it. Really it didn't bother me until really since 2001 when the PBA decided to have down lane seating which any movement will distract the players. But even with that if you have noise all the time the players will get used to it and won't "jump" at any sudden noise or movement when it is quiet and the crowd is supposed to stay still all the time.

If you have ever been to one of these "quiet" 00's live telecasts the players are stressed and will act on the slightest movement or sound. Again I wouldn't be opposed to silence but I think it was a stupid idea for crowd to be on the side so close to the lanes.
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rcorbitt

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 09:39:06 PM »
I hated the cheering. Noise during a professional's shot, it is disrespectful and wrong.

If you don't believe me, go to a PGA tournament and start chanting "Tiger, Tiger, Tiger" when Woods is ready to sink a 16-foot birdie putt on the final hole of regulation. My guess is you'll be attacked by the crowd before the ninja sharpshooter has a chance to get you in his sights.

And, the PGA is doing substantially better than the PBA without all the cheering ...
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KennyRambo

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2009, 09:42:06 PM »
Forced excitement is not real excitement.
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BrianCRX90

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 10:00:26 PM »
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I hated the cheering. Noise during a professional's shot, it is disrespectful and wrong.



Two things on your quote. You said a "professional's shot". That could mean anything in sports unless your talking about only bowling. Let's silence football, basketball, baseball, ultimate fighting, boxing, tennis, track and field...etc.

Golf has always been silent. Also, a bowling alley is obviously much smaller then a golf course. I've been to PGA events and you can stand all sorts of places so sure you could have noise all over but it doesn't travel in one confined area like a bowling alley because a golf course is spread out.
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Carlos Colon

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 09:21:11 AM »
I've never understood silence during sports events. A basketball player can hit free throws while tens of thousands of fans are cheering against him and people are actually trying to distract him with visual aids in the background. A baseball player can hit a 95mph fastball in the bottom of the ninth while fifty-thousand fans are cheering for the closer to strike him out. It gets so loud in football stadiums that the offense can't use audibles at times. Yet in golf, tennis and bowling the players need complete silence to make a shot.
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scooter19530

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 09:38:17 AM »
i've never been to a tournament during the week so someone help me out, is the bowling center in deep silence during qualifying matches? i've bowled in a few tournaments and always liked having noise behind me, that way i just focused on my shot and blocked all the distractions out. one time i had 11 in a row and everything got quiet and i hated it. to me it seems easier to get distracted when things are quiet than if there's other noise going on in the backround that just blends all the noise together. that's just me though. by the way, i puked all over myself on the last shot and left a wash out. LOL. kudos to the guys who have the 300's with a quiet house. that's an accomplishment.
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rcorbitt

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2009, 10:01:38 AM »
Pro sports - cheering encouraged: football, baseball, basketball, soccer
Pro sports - cheering discouraged: golf, tennis, bowling

Pro sports played using a team: football, baseball, basketball, soccer
Pro individual sports: golf, tennis, bowling

In football, an incomplete pass can be recovered with one that goes for a touchdown. In bowling, if you don't strike, your score decreases.

How does it make you feel when someone steps onto the approach while you're trying to line up a shot? How many leagues allow someone to scream your name during the approach? Cheering in league bowling is limited to after the shot.

Why should the pros deserve anything less?
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BrianCRX90

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Re: "Noise" During PBA Telecasts
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 10:14:13 PM »
To answer scooter's question...yes there is some silence but it seems it is somewhat a natural thing to do when you walk in. There is conversations going on in the bowling alley during qualifying because there is a bunch of bowling alley. The sound of a bowler bowling along with a ball hitting pins all over the alley makes noise.

But the more you get into a few bowlers in a bowling alley there seems to also be an obvious natural behavior to act silent when you get into say the bracket match plays, then when tension builds and the only two bowlers are in a last match best of 7 the whole bowling alley is quiet. But I've never once out of all the times attending PBA qualifying matches and match play the director coming out and telling the fans to be quiet nor will he come out and say to make a bunch of noise. It's only the last few tv events I attended where they make a huge issue out of it. The problem is the more fans you put in a television event and "expect" them to act exactly how the PBA wants to not 100% are going to do it whether it is on purpose or accident and we have seen both happen this decade since they got rid of the "no noise until the bowler throws the shot" rule.
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