Post by: mainzer on January 21, 2009, 06:06:36 AM
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Post by: Necromancer on January 21, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
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What happened to Belmonte, I thought he was gonna rip the place up this year? I haven't seen him yet.
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He only bowled in 2 tournaments and then went back home. Only an idiot would stay in the PBA making the crap money they do. He makes over $100,000 USD bowling in tournaments back in Australia.
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Post by: DP3 on January 21, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
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Post by: WSUstroker on January 21, 2009, 02:22:42 PM
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Despite what people that are so enthralled with the Aussie's mega revs, Belmonte's skill level is still not on par (to say the least) with the world's best on differing oil patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces that change from week to week.
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Maybe not, but why would you bother here if you can clean house in Europe.
I believe that Belmo moved to France within the past year.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 21, 2009, 02:22:52 PM
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Despite what people that are so enthralled with the Aussie's mega revs, Belmonte's skill level is still not on par (to say the least) with the world's best on differing oil patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces that change from week to week.
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I don't know a lot about his game, but guessing as how he hasn't done all that well this season I would assume you are correct. Although, not taking anything away from him because even with his whacky style he's still damn good.
The PBA is looking for anything to increase ratings, and the 2 hander isn't it. I'd hate to see what he could do to a house pattern though.....
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Post by: DP3 on January 21, 2009, 02:24:39 PM
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Despite what people that are so enthralled with the Aussie's mega revs, Belmonte's skill level is still not on par (to say the least) with the world's best on differing oil patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces that change from week to week.
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That'd explain his overseas dominance against abroad traveling PBA players and other countries' top amatuers and professionals on sport compliant patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces in different countries that change from week to week right?
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Edited on 1/21/2009 3:25 PM
Post by: Necromancer on January 21, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
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Despite what people that are so enthralled with the Aussie's mega revs, Belmonte's skill level is still not on par (to say the least) with the world's best on differing oil patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces that change from week to week.
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Maybe not, but why would you bother here if you can clean house in Europe.
I believe that Belmo moved to France within the past year.
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Exactly. For some reason people still think the PBA is where the most money is at in the world of bowling. It isn't even the most lucrative in the US. There are cash games that go on that offer a lot more money than the PBA could ever put out.
It is like in poker when I used to play, screw being the best or playing the best people - play where you can win and win consistently. If he can make more money elsewhere in "non-PBA tournament", then why wouldn't you?
Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 02:32:07 PM
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Despite what people that are so enthralled with the Aussie's mega revs, Belmonte's skill level is still not on par (to say the least) with the world's best on differing oil patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces that change from week to week.
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That'd explain his overseas dominance against abroad traveling PBA players and other countries' top amatuers and professionals on sport compliant patterns that are constantly tweaked and placed on surfaces in different countries that change from week to week right?
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Edited on 1/21/2009 3:25 PM
Since when do the world's top bowlers (exempt PBA members) bowl on a CONSTANT basis in Europe and are so dramatically destroyed by the great Jason Belmonte?
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 02:34:36 PM
FWIW, I, like most people, enjoy watching Belmonte roll the ball. What I said originally, if you had taken the time to read it properly, is that he is NOT YET ON PAR with the true elite. That doesn't mean that I don't believe he can
get there.
As for playing in the PBA as opposed to playing in Europe or other parts of the world, it's very simple: to gain credibility and recognition as truly one of the greats of the sport (if he's able to beat the PBA's best, then there will never be a doubt). And, yes, it would be good marketing for the beleagured PBA, but the argument that he stands more of a chance for making better money abroad, well, if he's truly that good, all he needs to do is win a few PBA events, and he'll be making money in other ways as well.
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Post by: DP3 on January 21, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on January 21, 2009, 02:39:54 PM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
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The man's bowled all of like 4 PBA events in his carrier, how about giving him a chance to get used to the patterns and everything before you say he isn't good enough to compete with the touring guys.
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Read what I wrote.
In no way did I bash Belmonte, just pointed out that he basically hasn't paid his dues yet. If he chooses to do so, he might very well be able to attain top level status.
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Post by: los2003 on January 21, 2009, 02:50:33 PM
Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 02:59:23 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
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That's cause he's not bowling on these patterns week in and week out for the past 6 years like the other 40 mainstays on tour. And if you check bowl.com and some of the results to these overseas tournaments, you will see ALOT of familiar names that you see on PBA.com every week. I'm not making this up for the sake of arguing with you. Fact. I'm only going to argue facts.
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Fine.
Please provide links which clearly demonstrate Belmonte's superiority/dominance over the ELITE of the sport.
Thank you.
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Post by: Kid Jete on January 21, 2009, 03:03:42 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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Edited on 1/21/2009 4:01 PM
Well if I had the choice I would pass up presige, credibility and respect any day of the week to make more money. After all, isn't that the points of doing anything "for a living"?
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 21, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
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Seems to me that once upon a time Tim Mack was winning almost everything in the "amateur" events around the world and was heralded as the next PBA superstar to be. Tim is a very accomplished bowler but hasn't fared so well in his attempts to make it on the PBA Tour. Therefore it makes me wonder if winning in Europe or anywhere else means you will be successful in the US on the Pro Tour. As for Belmonte, I say lets wait until he actually does something in the PBA before we crown him the next king of bowling as it seems USBC wants to do.
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Post by: los2003 on January 21, 2009, 03:13:33 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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Edited on 1/21/2009 4:01 PM
Post by: Necromancer on January 21, 2009, 03:13:44 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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BowlingWolf
Edited on 1/21/2009 4:01 PM
Well if I had the choice I would pass up presige, credibility and respect any day of the week to make more money. After all, isn't that the points of doing anything "for a living"?
Same here man. These people bowling for prestige are out of their minds. They obviously never saw Pulp Fiction.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:16:17 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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BowlingWolf
Edited on 1/21/2009 4:01 PM
Well if I had the choice I would pass up presige, credibility and respect any day of the week to make more money. After all, isn't that the points of doing anything "for a living"?
Some of the top bowlers in the world, WRW Jr. for instance, could've done much better had they pursued a "normal" career instead of bowling professionally (Walter is a physics major).
It is the Love of the sport and the competitive spirit within the true greats that dictate their decisison-making.
True, there are some that probably would not be making more money in the real world, but the elite make money in other ways as well, i.e. endorsements, easily obtained jobs in the off-season due to their status, etc.
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Post by: Kid Jete on January 21, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
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belmonte can makes just as much money not being in the pba.. why do you think a lot of the elite amatuers never turn pro?? I know of 5 personally that are good enough to be a force on the tour..
Really??? Wow, I didn't know that.[/sarcasm off]
I've been around bowling long enough (check my profile) to know a thing or two about the sport, but fall into the "being able to/but having other responsibilities" category.
With that said, for those that choose to bowl for a living, bowling in the PBA is about prestige, credibility and respect. Just ask Mika Koivuniemi.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Edited on 1/21/2009 4:01 PM
Well if I had the choice I would pass up presige, credibility and respect any day of the week to make more money. After all, isn't that the points of doing anything "for a living"?
Some of the top bowlers in the world, WRW Jr. for instance, could've done much better had they pursued a "normal" career instead of bowling professionally (Walter is a physics major).
It is the Love of the sport and the competitive spirit within the true greats that dictate their decisison-making.
True, there are some that probably would not be making more money in the real world, but the elite make money in other ways as well, i.e. endorsements, easily obtained jobs in the off-season due to their status, etc.
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I didn't mean getting a 9 to 5. I meant if bowling was the choice to make a living I would much rather make more money than prestige, etc.
Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:19:32 PM
I've come to believe that you are truly nuts.
For someone who can't pick up a 10 pin, you sure have a lot to say about top-notch bowling.
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Post by: Necromancer on January 21, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
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Necro,
I've come to believe that you are truly nuts.
For someone who can't pick up a 10 pin, you sure have a lot to say about top-notch bowling.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:23:27 PM
I agree that the first order of business is always to be able to place food on the table, put a roof over your head, and clothe yourself.
But, regarding Belmonte, he is not suffering, and I do believe that if he truly wants to be considered great, he has to play in the PBA, pays his dues, and prove his mettle.
I would not be surprised if he can do it.
What I don't get is those that say that he plays in other countries because he's able to make more money. When they say this, they are unwittingly amitting that he's not good enough to compete with the big boys. Instead of propping him up, they are really shooting him down.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
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Necro,
I've come to believe that you are truly nuts.
For someone who can't pick up a 10 pin, you sure have a lot to say about top-notch bowling.
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Post by: los2003 on January 21, 2009, 03:28:22 PM
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kidjette,
I agree that the first order of business is always to be able to place food on the table, put a roof over your head, and clothe yourself.
But, regarding Belmonte, he is not suffering, and I do believe that if he truly wants to be considered great, he has to play in the PBA, pays his dues, and prove his mettle.
I would not be surprised if he can do it.
What I don't get is those that say that he plays in other countries because he's able to make more money. When they say this, they are unwittingly amitting that he's not good enough to compete with the big boys. Instead of propping him up, they are really shooting him down.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
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that's if he wants to be considered great here though..not everywhere..quote:
kidjette,
I agree that the first order of business is always to be able to place food on the table, put a roof over your head, and clothe yourself.
But, regarding Belmonte, he is not suffering, and I do believe that if he truly wants to be considered great, he has to play in the PBA, pays his dues, and prove his mettle.
I would not be surprised if he can do it.
What I don't get is those that say that he plays in other countries because he's able to make more money. When they say this, they are unwittingly amitting that he's not good enough to compete with the big boys. Instead of propping him up, they are really shooting him down.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 21, 2009, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: BowlingWolf on January 21, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
Thank you for sharing.
Belmo's own words basically sum up what I've been saying all along.
He seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
I wish nothing but the best, and hopefully we'll be seeing him compete one day at the "Highest" level (making PBA telecasts).
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Post by: AdrianS on January 21, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
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What happened to Belmonte, I thought he was gonna rip the place up this year? I haven't seen him yet.
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He only bowled in 2 tournaments and then went back home. Only an idiot would stay in the PBA making the crap money they do. He makes over $100,000 USD bowling in tournaments back in Australia.
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Must be some secret tourney circuit over here i dont know about then!!!!!
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