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It really looked to me (I saw the video about it on youtube so I was watching for it) that Belmo intentionally crinkled his bottle in the middle of Angelos approach.
If so thats a dick move.
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If you're on the pro tour, you should be able to bowl through noise. Man up and bowl. Use any tactic to throw off your opponent and it worked.
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Pros seem to make the biggest deal out of the smallest noises. He made a bad shot and I doubt that the sound of the bottle had anything to do with it.
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The bottle move, not cool, he did by purpose
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If its total silence noise is distracting.
I dont know for sure if he did it on purpose and we never will. But his picking it up by the top excuse is crap. His hand was on the bottle when it made the noise.
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DukeHarding had a post about this very thing yesterday I believe.
I thought it was way overblown by Angelo.
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Angelo just needed something to blame his bad bowling on and that was it. He is a professional and Angelo shouldnt let that bother him. So what happens if Angelo is up and Belmo's seat makes a noise cause he moved in it. I dont believe Belmo did it intentionally because he is more professional than Angelo is. I just hope Castillo could have bowled better and beat both of them into the ground but o well. See you Thursday Dino.
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Any noise is a quiet room can be distracting and Brad was right on mentioning it. I think Belmo did make the noise, but it was not on purpose. I seeems like Belmo just squeezes a plastice bottle whenever he picks one up. Just like a person drumming on a desk with their fingers or someone popping chewing gum. It is done without thinking about it.
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If Belmonte did do it on purpose, Angelo should have been able to ignore it. I have bowled pot games where people did everything you imagine to throw other bowlers off, and 1 of them was an old time pro. You just learned to ignore it and bowl. A flashbulb going off is one thing, but a water bottle crinkling? Come on...
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How about some good old fashioned ear plugs? Myself, I could probably bowl with mortars going off in the background.
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copy/paste from other post
Not a Brad Angelo fan, but I have two points.
When you watch Brad on the approach and step off and ect you can tell he is very uncomfortable and doesn't look like he wants to make the shot.(scared)
The other is in watching Jasons mannerisms from start to finish with the bottle and the way he keeps messing with it. Picking it up, and setting it down ect along with eye balling Brad on the approach.
I would say if you based it just off watching Jason it was intentional. I also think Brad was going to miss regardless. He didn't looked prepared.
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f$@ked the water bottle several times before the shot with out making a sound, and then during the approach gives it a nice death grip squeeze? Bush league.
Also don't ever compare what you do during pot games or anything else to what these guys are doing for a living on national television, it sounds that stupid. Think softball guy at a local tournament comparing himself to an MLB player during the World Series. Don't be that guy.
Be good, or be good at it.
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Well, there have been guys on the tour in the past that made a living on this sort of thing. If you see any of the older tournament tapes, watch some of the guys jack the other bowlers up - some guys bowl better mad, but others don't.
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Edited by Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on 4/3/2011 at 3:05 PM
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I believe Brad said "it was the third time". So either it was intentional or Belmo has alot of nervous energy. I didn't bother rewinding it but I was was wondering how bad Belmo really "stuck" just before Brad had to shoot the ten. I guess you do what you got to do w/ the prize fund what it is.
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3 perfect examples of people who made a living doing this: Ernie Schlegel (the Randy Pedersen solid 8-pin in the 10th frame incident says it all). Noone can forget Marshall Holman (Holman vs. Wayne Webb back around 1997 is just one example when he was showboating all match). Then there was Bob Vespi who most bowlers on tour at the time didn't exactly like because of his antics. Finally in the early 90's, Chris Warren had enough during a title match and put Vespi in his place. This was of course after Warren won and got the last laugh. All of these can be found on YouTube.
Belmo with the water bottle is nothing compared to those I just mentioned. As for Brad Angelo, I have seen him bowl leagues up in Lockport before (I live near there after all), and he always had that nervous look even before turning pro. He needs to learn to concentrate on making better shots, because his ball reaction the past several shows has always been short of where it should be. Or maybe he should dump Brunswick after all of these years (he used Brunswick in house leagues before turning pro also).
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Let's go back in the day to when the crowd was hooting and cheering during the bowlers approach and delivery.
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If you look at belmonte and Angelo in the background a couple shots earlier you can see Angelo looking at belmonte and squeezing the bottle
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Was it Angelo being ultra sensitive, or Belmo being desperate. No one here can answer that. Both are under pressure because they make a living bowling. Both are very talented in their own style, etc.
I would hope that a professional wouldn't be so desperate as to try that type of thing, but only one of them has been crowned "the future of bowling" and USBCs little darling...
Like I said, no one on this forum really knows the answer. Only the guy from down under.
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This is so funny. I went on here to see or post about this. My stupid DVR didn't record it last week but guys in my league said someone said some crap to Belmonte about a water bottle. Without even thinking who it could not be it was so obvious who it could be. Brad Angelo is a jerk off. Has been for years. Remember that match with Barnes last year or before he tried talking crap? I don't know what this dude's issue is but he can go screw himself.
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Someone was nice enough to post this on Youtube for those that haven't seen it or want to see it again:
All I can say is Brad Angelo your a jackass. You could have said something nicely at least. I know the pros need ultra concentration during bowling because it's so quiet which is the rules the PBA has placed upon the audience but seriously you just turned off a bunch of people with your dumbars attitude. Jason was trying to apologize but you just wanted to act like a jerk.
However, there have been noises suddenly or distraction what have you on telecasts and seem to have happened more then then last 10 years then any other time on tv. It's whether these things are intentional or not is the question. The topic was if Belmonte did it intentionally. I find it hard to believe. It could have been nerves, it could have been something he wasn't even realizing he was doing or it could have been concentration and was in the form such as tapping nails or something. But you have to prove to me he did that on purpose.
Edited by BrianCRX90 on 4/12/2011 at 4:53 PM
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I have had the chance to meet Angelo while I was a youth bowler at Jr Gold in Buffalo. There were other pros there (Chris Barnes, Billy Oatman, Doug Kent) to name a few. Angelo was the only one that took the time to talk with EVERYBODY that went through the line. The others shook hands posed for pics but Angelo took time and had the line waiting because he was talking and genuinely cared about talking to every person.
I Liked him enough that I went and sat through a Brunswick seminar that he was giving and loved every minute of it.
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If you watch the video... You hear something then Angelo backs off the appraoch, When he starts to bowl again Belmo reaches for the bottle and stars to grab it and about the time that the video breaks away to Angelo bowling you hear this death grip squeeze on the bottle.
That sounds intentional.