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Why don't pro bowlers--
« on: January 31, 2010, 04:14:33 AM »
SWITCH BALLS?

 Time after time after TIME, I watch guys who are professionals keep trying to throw balls that are CLEARLY too strong, yet they refuse to change?

 As an amatuer, that is one of the first things they tell you, if your ball is too strong, go to a weaker cover, drilling, or core to help.

 As an example, in the DW Open, Pete probably could've balled down to a REIGN or a Hy-ROAD, maybe even a FAST or a polished up FURIOUS and done better than fighting that over reaction he got from his INVASION.

 Why won't they do it?
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 02:20:01 PM »
That''s one of the differences between Pete and Norm.  Both are Storm staffers, both are hall of fame players, but the last several years when it came to TV shows, Pete''s throwing the next "up and coming" piece from Storm - whereas Norm is willing to pull out a ball that''s 1-5 years old because it''s the right ball for the lanes at that time.

I don''t know Pete personally (or Norm for that matter), so I can''t say if Pete actually keeps equipment for any length of time or not - it''d be interesting to know if he does.  But I do think (Warning: personal opinion about to be written) if he''s ever going to win again - and especially get the monkey off his back concerning WRW - he''s got to be willing to go back to what works, be it equipment, mindset, focus, whatever.

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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 06:23:24 PM »
In his defense...

He was switching balls.  Just staying with the Invasion with different drills and layouts.

He was throwing the reign well most of the week.  Not sure why he didn't go to it!

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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 06:47:02 PM »
I bet Storm's management would rather see one of their staffer's throwing the next "up and coming ball" over an older, discontinued ball on TV. They do hire these guys to sell NEW bowling balls.

As for switching balls in the middle of a game on TV, it can be a risk since it's only one game. If they do switch mid game, it's usually takes one or two shots to find the correct line and they may feel that's one or two shots that they can't risk.

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 Both are Storm staffers, both are hall of fame players, but the last several years when it came to TV shows, Pete''s throwing the next "up and coming" piece from Storm - whereas Norm is willing to pull out a ball that''s 1-5 years old because it''s the right ball for the lanes at that time.


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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 06:52:16 PM »
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In his defense...

He was switching balls.  Just staying with the Invasion with different drills and layouts.

He was throwing the reign well most of the week.  Not sure why he didn't go to it!



Also in his defense, most ball companies want their staffers to use the newest stuff on the market. Companies want the "exposure" on tv.  Only so many people will see what balls are used during qualifying and match play.  But, TONS more people will watch the telecast.  Pete put his company first over his personal accomplishment.  This was not the week to do it.  It is a tourny that bears his father's name.  Even though the Reign is still pretty new, the Invasion is the latest of very quick releases.  The Reign is not very old and yet they already release 2 new high end balls.  That match against WRW, the Invasion was puking.  The Reign would have been ideal for that line he was playing.
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 06:57:46 PM »
Agreed.....the manufacturers often offer bigger incentives for "on-TV time" if you are throwing the new stuff as opposed to the older stuff the bowler may have in the bag.

I recall a PBA Regional stop in Mechanicsburg PA where David Ozio crushed the field by over 500 pins for the week throwing a Blue Dot. When it came time for the show the Columbia big shots said "you can't throw a plastic ball on TV." SO Ozio told them to make their new stuff react like his Blue Dot.

He came out5 on TV with a Cuda/C Pearl drilled pin below the thumb and got crushed by 50 pins in the championship match.....

So much for the latest and greatest being the best.
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 07:53:53 PM »
mike aulby and parker bohn III met for the title at the 1998 abc masters. both were brunswick pro staffers at that time. brunswick's latest and greatest were the danger zone red alert and the attitude III. aulby used a black blitz....a three-piece urethane ball to win the title.

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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 09:22:40 PM »
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 As an example, in the DW Open, Pete probably could''ve balled down to a REIGN or a Hy-ROAD, maybe even a FAST or a polished up FURIOUS and done better than fighting that over reaction he got from his INVASION.




with PDW''s rotation and tilt, stronger covers give him less over/under. The volume on the tv pair is much higher than you think it is. More often than not, stronger covers and more surface, especially on those patterns and volumes, is much better than less surface.

More people would do better using more surface than they do anyway.


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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 08:00:36 AM »
quote:
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 As an example, in the DW Open, Pete probably could''ve balled down to a REIGN or a Hy-ROAD, maybe even a FAST or a polished up FURIOUS and done better than fighting that over reaction he got from his INVASION.




with PDW''s rotation and tilt, stronger covers give him less over/under. The volume on the tv pair is much higher than you think it is. More often than not, stronger covers and more surface, especially on those patterns and volumes, is much better than less surface.

More people would do better using more surface than they do anyway.


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And that is why the Mission looked way better on that pattern yesterday than his Invasion ever did.  Mission is now 2 wins in 2 weeks on patterns that played relatively tight.  With Pete's slower ball speed, he needed something to conserve energy for backend and continuation through the pins.  The tendency is that dull solids dont work from 5th arrow very well because they roll too fast.  Look at the layout on the Invasion he used the most yesterday, it was a pin down and dull surface which is no bueno from 5th arrow.
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 09:53:28 AM »
I didnt understand what Pete was trying to do either granted he is much better than any of us on this board and I am sure he has tricks we dont but I was shocked to see him that deep with a ball that dull.

The Mission though looked unstoppable once again today and I dont say that about Ebonite stuff that often.

Fagan IMO has bright future ahead of him.
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 12:57:22 PM »
PDW's track (PAP) is probably double what Fagan's is. When you track as high as he does (with less degree of tilt compared to Fagan), shiny balls go side ways, and are uncontrollable at the end of the pattern. a dull cover strong core, will help blend the pattern. Plus, Fagan is much more firm with his speed than Mr. Weber.
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 01:24:17 PM »
Maybe it's because a good bowler knows how to adjust.....

Much like Miss Kelly did....


going from 11 to 14.....

And maybe some can't adjust, because their heads / ego's are too big...  oops
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Re: Why don't pro bowlers--
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 01:32:31 PM »
Again, yet another thread where BR armchair quaterbacks think they know more than the pros.  Priceless.
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