Author Topic: The audience and live PBA telecasts debate (Read 1407 times)

Platinum Bowler · « **on:** November 01, 2006, 10:06:40 AM »

Well, I just got done watching the USBC Masters and I saw where Tommy Jones had to stop and say something because of a disturbance in the crowd. I know this always gets mixed reviews, and there was already a post about this incident. IMHO I can see how pro's do get sidetracked and how it affects them. The most used excuse for people who do not believe disturbances on the bowlers should affect them, is of course, that they are professionals and should be able to totally zone themselves out of anything said or done in the audience. I am sorry, but they are human, and that is almost impossible to zone out and ignore.
Another argument is that they bowl all the time with everyone else bowling, with all the movement and noise, so why should one little movement mess them up? Well, when you get use to, and basically expect a total silence and practically motionless surroundings, then I can see how this will affect you. You are use to seeing nothing but the lane, and your fully concentrating on your shot. So of course a sudden movement or sound will take that all away from you. That is just my opinion. Every time a bowler gets upset over something that happened in the crowd during their shot on tv, there comes a post on it. Like I said, I figured I would make one to make a full out debate on it. Let it begin...
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Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:14:38 AM »

The big problem is that the arena finals is the only time they have to deal with people sitting on the side past the foul line. Sure there are noises and distractions at other times but for the most part they are behind them or at least to the side on the approach only.

I can understand how a movement downlane can catch your peripheral vision quite easy.

shelley · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:33:00 AM »

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so why not let the crowd cheer again,

Because it's hard to sustain for the most part. Bowling is not a continuous sport like, say, basketball. The action, such as it is, happens in short bursts, approximately 20-40 times in a game. I remember reading somewhere that the PBA had to start seeding the crowd with "ringers" who would keep the applause up even when the match was going 210-185.

SH

Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:48:17 AM »

I like the current setup that they have. Doug Kent did fine with it.

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livespive · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:49:39 AM »

TO use the basketball example,
I look at it like this.

Basketball players are able to hit free throws with
people in front of them/behind a clear backboard
waving all kinds of stuff to mess them up, but yet
they can still see that little orange rim and hit it.

For me it has been easier to block out the noise/movement
when I know it going on, then to not have it, and try to
block it out when it happens.
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APheLion · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:53:09 AM »

i think the pros have to train in cosmic bowling! all kind of crazy lights and still being able to do their shots
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:09:38 PM »

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TO use the basketball example,
I look at it like this.

Basketball players are able to hit free throws with
people in front of them/behind a clear backboard
waving all kinds of stuff to mess them up, but yet
they can still see that little orange rim and hit it.

For me it has been easier to block out the noise/movement
when I know it going on, then to not have it, and try to
block it out when it happens.
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FWIW I agree, Eric.

A lot of people use the basketball player's arguement when asking why bowler's find it so hard to concentrate when the silence or total lack of movement is broken.

I suggest people try putting the shoe on the other foot:
Have the basketball crowd sit in total and absolute silence; then when the player is about to shoot the foul shot, have some fan jump up and scream right in front of theim. Then see how many times they make that shot. I think some basketball players would object just the way bowlers do.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:18:55 PM »

Here's what i don't understand, I was at the Master's telecast. The fans were no where NEAR the lanes. When Tommy had his balk, he was on the right lane, so there were 3 lanes to his left, plus an additional 10+ feet to the first row. There were no seats to the right of the lane. If the movement was right next to the lane i could understand, but how far is far enough? There was also a small noise during his approach, BUT, I don't know if you can hear it on the TV, the lane machines are constantly cycling, making a consideralble amount of noise. Why can they block out the machines, but not one persons voice?
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livespive · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:30:14 PM »

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Here's what i don't understand, I was at the Master's telecast. The fans were no where NEAR the lanes. When Tommy had his balk, he was on the right lane, so there were 3 lanes to his left, plus an additional 10+ feet to the first row. There were no seats to the right of the lane. If the movement was right next to the lane i could understand, but how far is far enough? There was also a small noise during his approach, BUT, I don't know if you can hear it on the TV, the lane machines are constantly cycling, making a consideralble amount of noise. Why can they block out the machines, but not one persons voice?
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That's the point

Picture this

Imagine sitting in a movie theater looking at the black screen.
The screen is full of white dots. Thousands of them some overlapping,
some not, but the screen is full of them. You wouldn't notice if one of those dots/lights got turned off would you? NOw take the same screen and just turn one light on and off. I bet you would notice that one light when it came on.

things tend to stand out more when they are by themselves vs blending in with a crowd.

which brings me to the pinsetters
the pinsetters are part of the alley. If you goto the alley and pactice while no one is there you can hear them, they stand out, they make a predictable sound that can be blocked out. You don't know when a fan might move or same something. That is why if they are all moving from the begining it is easier to deal with.
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Fluxuateher · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:36:09 PM »

I think that if they can adjust to a monster screen up there in front of them that shows whatever the camers are pointing at then they should be able to cope with a little noise somewhere eles in the arena too. How did they cope when the PBA encouraged constant noise all the while that they were bowling? Just fine I thought. If someone is easily distracted then maybe its because they are not very focused to begin with and that is not anyone elses fault. Peace out.

DanH78 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:58:33 PM »

quote:

That's the point

Picture this

Imagine sitting in a movie theater looking at the black screen.
The screen is full of white dots. Thousands of them some overlapping,
some not, but the screen is full of them. You wouldn't notice if one of those dots/lights got turned off would you? NOw take the same screen and just turn one light on and off. I bet you would notice that one light when it came on.

things tend to stand out more when they are by themselves vs blending in with a crowd.

which brings me to the pinsetters
the pinsetters are part of the alley. If you goto the alley and pactice while no one is there you can hear them, they stand out, they make a predictable sound that can be blocked out. You don't know when a fan might move or same something. That is why if they are all moving from the begining it is easier to deal with.
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I don't think the movie screen is a fair analogy. That's where you are focused, so of course you are going to notice. I'm talking about something 20-30 feet away from where you are focused. And, it's not like the distraction was down near the pins (but 20-30 feet off to the side). The seating MAYBE extended to the 30 foot mark on the lane.
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livespive · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2006, 01:20:55 PM »

Even if you focus on the screen you will not see
the one dot out of the thousands all of the time.

the picture is a picture rather it is the lane or the screen
If 1000 people are off to you left and 1 moves you will see it
better than 1000 people moving and 1 stopping.

"Don't think. FEEL. It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."

-Bruce Lee-
Enter the Dragon
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