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thfonz98

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burning up your opponents line..ok?
« on: March 09, 2005, 05:42:38 AM »
supposedly tony reyes had something to say to mika after this weeks telecast since mika supposedly was burning up tony's line with some sanded stuff in practice.

whats your thoughts?

I think once you bowl for money anything goes.  You gotta do what you can to win(or at least advance to the next match play round)
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2005, 06:00:18 AM »
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In league, you are not allowed to practice on the pair that you are playing on before the game.



Not true,  If you read the USBC (ABC) What's the answer booklet, a league has no control over the lanes until league actually starts.  If the center manager wants to control open play before that, fine, but there is no USBC rule that prohibits proactcing on you league pair before league starts.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2005, 06:28:15 AM »
Rick made a very intersting obvdservation on how the lanes break differently depending on who is on the pattern:
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You can take the same pattern on the same surface and bring the seniors in and the pattern will wall it self up for the bowlers who can get just inside of the track area and open it up. You can bring the ladies in and the pattern almost always turns wet/dry around 10. Bring the kids in and they will be 10 to 15 boards left, quite often lofting the left gutter with angles that don't make sense to others watching them. The PBA tour is a mix of styles and understanding the difference is important in today's game.



While Mika may not have done it to destroy Tony's line, it was obvious that the intent was to impact how the lanes transitioned.  Liek it or not, it's part of the game, especially at that level

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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »
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I think Ill take an 80 grit powergroove with me to leauge next week


Are you sure you want to try using something with that much polish?  I mean, 80 is kind of high, isn't it?
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2005, 02:20:47 PM »
Heh, this is interesting, all is fair in love and war though right? PBA might not be war but...those guys aren't exactly out there just to chat.
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2005, 04:36:25 PM »
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In league, you are not allowed to practice on the pair that you are playing on before the game.



Not true,  If you read the USBC (ABC) What's the answer booklet, a league has no control over the lanes until league actually starts.  If the center manager wants to control open play before that, fine, but there is no USBC rule that prohibits proactcing on you league pair before league starts.


I am bowling in 3 leagues and each one does not allow practice on the league pair that a bowler is playing on. The desk clerk even asks what lanes we are playing on and will not give us those lanes to practice on before the league. I would like feedback if other houses allow practice on the league pair. Please let me know.

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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2005, 01:08:40 PM »
No one talks about them not moving pairs in match play. That just lets them burn a shot in one pair. They should move after every game.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2005, 03:29:20 PM »
Practicing on your league pair is not illegal to the ABC (or whoever it is this year.)  However, individual leagues are allowed to prohibit the practice in their bylaws.

In the absence of being mentioned in the bylaws, I don't know if any centers attempt to prevent it just to keep bowlers from complaining.


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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2005, 11:09:09 PM »
My theory as far as Mika goes...

When we start paying for him to bowl in the tourneys then we can tell him to not burn up someone elses line. Fact is, he made some cash and did it anyway he can. You could say that you could to the same thing to Mika---except that he seems to be able to play alot of lines. He'd be tough to eliminate.
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2005, 11:44:12 PM »
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My theory as far as Mika goes...

When we start paying for him to bowl in the tourneys then we can tell him to not burn up someone elses line. Fact is, he made some cash and did it anyway he can. You could say that you could to the same thing to Mika---except that he seems to be able to play alot of lines. He'd be tough to eliminate.
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Well then, YOU (the person burning up his line because mika is burning up yours) should work to be able to play just as many differing lines.
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2005, 12:09:58 AM »
I agree Stanski---Thats why I said you could do this. I wouldnt. I dont care what you do. Burn up my line, Ill just find another line. At that level they should be good enough to do that and not just complain at the end of a 150+ game. That seems a little rediculous.
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2005, 03:38:09 PM »
everytime a bowling ball is rolled down a lane the pattern changes. there is no rule against using a plastic ball to build up some hold. nor is there a rule against using a dull ball to create some friction on the lane. all the players know this and deal with it at every tournament.

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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2005, 06:01:44 PM »
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I think you spell it a-d-j-u-s-t-m-e-n-t, but I could be wrong.


what you said... without knowing a lot about it I can't make a great comment but the best bowlers are the ones that can change their game the quickest and it's his own bloody fault that he didn'/couldn't change his game... if I may..."survival belongs to those who adapt the fastest" (darwin...duh)...
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2005, 06:15:23 PM »
Interesting - growing up, I was always told that there's no "defense" in bowling. I guess there is now!

Obviously, Mika didn't do anything wrong as there is nothing in the rules to prevent this from occurring.

Personally, I'd like them to have very minimal practice on the TV pair - one or two shots on each lane before each match, with all practicing and warm up done on the side pair. But until/unless they institute (or re-institute) this rule, there is nothing to prevent somebody like Mika or anyone else from playing a little "defense".

Any lefties out there? That would be pretty odd, don't you think, to see your righty opponent firing spare balls down the left side to drag oil into your break point. Or vice versa.
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Re: burning up your opponents line..ok?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2005, 11:36:29 AM »
after watching Mika bowl in person a few times thru qualifiers and match play, i can understand why he is doing this.

some may say, "hey, he's burning up the other guy's line!!!"

myself and some others noticed bowlers adjusting to PLAY OFF MIKA'S line! and guess what? thats the same thing rick was talking about in the article he wrote concerning this very topic!!! people use his rather abrupt down-and-in line as a wall... if mika sees his "A" game working, and the other bowler decides to play bumper-bowling off of it... now mika's ball skids more, hits weak, etc. as the other bowler is busting carrydown right into mika's breakpoint.

i watched him get very frustrated when playing some people last year, and lost his temper against girard.

so i feel that there is always 2 sides to a story. mika is getting tired of people using his line to have more playable dry and therefore, more area. i think he is just doing what we call "preventative maintenence".

he makes it a bowler's game, and not a 'who can turn the ball more than mika and bounce off his dry???'
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