Post by: thfonz98 on March 09, 2005, 05:42:38 AM
whats your thoughts?
I think once you bowl for money anything goes. You gotta do what you can to win(or at least advance to the next match play round)
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Post by: a_ak57 on March 09, 2005, 01:46:03 PM
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Post by: janderson on March 09, 2005, 04:06:55 PM
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Post by: DanH78 on March 09, 2005, 04:54:59 PM
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 09, 2005, 05:16:56 PM
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They shouldn't allow any practice whatsoever on the actual TV pair, just on the adjacent pair.
Edited on 3/9/2005 6:14 PM
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Post by: Walking E on March 09, 2005, 05:32:04 PM
These are the best bowlers in the world. I'm sure they can figure out a decent line and equipment to play in only a few shots.
Also, the PBA should put out the same shot that they put out all week on the TV pair. Aren't there some tournaments where the TV shot is totally different from what was played on all week?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 09, 2005, 06:21:33 PM
I think it might be legal but it is morally cheating trying to destroy other's lines! Not much different than a large corporate lawyer delaying a case over and over until a damaged party dies. Only because the rules allow it and he can!
Practice only on the practice pair 10 minutes and then 2 shots each lane enough! Before each match if you've cooled off, 4 minutes on practice pair.
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PS I bowled in a no tap once with a strong handed cranker throwin plastic.
Great shot and then all carrydown.... Yukkkk.
PPS Tony really didn't throw the ball that well, maybe because of uncertainty.
But I heard foul line slam, drop, slam, drop, slam slam, slam, smooth .....strike! 8th frame.
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Post by: CharlieBrown on March 09, 2005, 08:13:16 PM
Mika did what he had to do!
Rick Benoit:
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You could tell his ball reaction was being effected by the dull ball Mika used for lane management in practice.
Rick never said Mike set out to destory somebody elses' lines, all he said was how Mika 'managed' the lanes, that's all.
And as Chappy Girl said, did we know Tony complained for sure?
Is the finals format perfect? Is it ideal? Maybe yes, maybe no. Hell, I think 64 exempt field is too small and it should be 96 or 128 but so what? They are pros, they know the rules, they know how long they can practice and on which pairs........ etc. Nobody changed the rules at 12.29 ET Sunday 6th March, did they?
Tony seems to be a great person and a great pro, I very much doubt he would have said anything.
Hearsay man, that is all.
In my league there are guys who love their dull/particle balls, whatever the condition, playing 10/12 at the arrow. Now I'm just a rubbish bowler, but I love it when I see this, I usually just pull out my pearl ball, which happens to be the Zone Classis BTW, and play inside them. If that doesn't work, plan B... and so on.
janderson
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I think you spell it a-d-j-u-s-t-m-e-n-t, but I could be wrong.
People on the tour are all great pros. I'm sure they'd just deal with it.
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Post by: cgilyeat on March 10, 2005, 06:00:18 AM
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In league, you are not allowed to practice on the pair that you are playing on before the game.
Not true, If you read the USBC (ABC) What's the answer booklet, a league has no control over the lanes until league actually starts. If the center manager wants to control open play before that, fine, but there is no USBC rule that prohibits proactcing on you league pair before league starts.
Post by: cgilyeat on March 10, 2005, 06:28:15 AM
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You can take the same pattern on the same surface and bring the seniors in and the pattern will wall it self up for the bowlers who can get just inside of the track area and open it up. You can bring the ladies in and the pattern almost always turns wet/dry around 10. Bring the kids in and they will be 10 to 15 boards left, quite often lofting the left gutter with angles that don't make sense to others watching them. The PBA tour is a mix of styles and understanding the difference is important in today's game.
While Mika may not have done it to destroy Tony's line, it was obvious that the intent was to impact how the lanes transitioned. Liek it or not, it's part of the game, especially at that level
Post by: janderson on March 10, 2005, 12:49:20 PM
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I think Ill take an 80 grit powergroove with me to leauge next week
Are you sure you want to try using something with that much polish? I mean, 80 is kind of high, isn't it?
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Post by: Hex017 on March 10, 2005, 02:20:47 PM
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 10, 2005, 04:36:25 PM
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In league, you are not allowed to practice on the pair that you are playing on before the game.
Not true, If you read the USBC (ABC) What's the answer booklet, a league has no control over the lanes until league actually starts. If the center manager wants to control open play before that, fine, but there is no USBC rule that prohibits proactcing on you league pair before league starts.
I am bowling in 3 leagues and each one does not allow practice on the league pair that a bowler is playing on. The desk clerk even asks what lanes we are playing on and will not give us those lanes to practice on before the league. I would like feedback if other houses allow practice on the league pair. Please let me know.
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Post by: JBracer2 on March 12, 2005, 01:08:40 PM
Post by: Overhand on March 12, 2005, 03:29:20 PM
In the absence of being mentioned in the bylaws, I don't know if any centers attempt to prevent it just to keep bowlers from complaining.
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Post by: NOTHUMB on March 13, 2005, 11:09:09 PM
When we start paying for him to bowl in the tourneys then we can tell him to not burn up someone elses line. Fact is, he made some cash and did it anyway he can. You could say that you could to the same thing to Mika---except that he seems to be able to play alot of lines. He'd be tough to eliminate.
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Post by: stanski on March 13, 2005, 11:44:12 PM
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My theory as far as Mika goes...
When we start paying for him to bowl in the tourneys then we can tell him to not burn up someone elses line. Fact is, he made some cash and did it anyway he can. You could say that you could to the same thing to Mika---except that he seems to be able to play alot of lines. He'd be tough to eliminate.
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Well then, YOU (the person burning up his line because mika is burning up yours) should work to be able to play just as many differing lines.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on March 14, 2005, 03:38:09 PM
Post by: two balls wide on March 14, 2005, 06:01:44 PM
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I think you spell it a-d-j-u-s-t-m-e-n-t, but I could be wrong.
what you said... without knowing a lot about it I can't make a great comment but the best bowlers are the ones that can change their game the quickest and it's his own bloody fault that he didn'/couldn't change his game... if I may..."survival belongs to those who adapt the fastest" (darwin...duh)...
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Post by: Walking E on March 14, 2005, 06:15:23 PM
Obviously, Mika didn't do anything wrong as there is nothing in the rules to prevent this from occurring.
Personally, I'd like them to have very minimal practice on the TV pair - one or two shots on each lane before each match, with all practicing and warm up done on the side pair. But until/unless they institute (or re-institute) this rule, there is nothing to prevent somebody like Mika or anyone else from playing a little "defense".
Any lefties out there? That would be pretty odd, don't you think, to see your righty opponent firing spare balls down the left side to drag oil into your break point. Or vice versa.
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Post by: DonSVO on March 17, 2005, 11:36:29 AM
some may say, "hey, he's burning up the other guy's line!!!"
myself and some others noticed bowlers adjusting to PLAY OFF MIKA'S line! and guess what? thats the same thing rick was talking about in the article he wrote concerning this very topic!!! people use his rather abrupt down-and-in line as a wall... if mika sees his "A" game working, and the other bowler decides to play bumper-bowling off of it... now mika's ball skids more, hits weak, etc. as the other bowler is busting carrydown right into mika's breakpoint.
i watched him get very frustrated when playing some people last year, and lost his temper against girard.
so i feel that there is always 2 sides to a story. mika is getting tired of people using his line to have more playable dry and therefore, more area. i think he is just doing what we call "preventative maintenence".
he makes it a bowler's game, and not a 'who can turn the ball more than mika and bounce off his dry???'
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Post by: thfonz98 on April 04, 2005, 10:31:40 AM
"OK, you want to know what happened. 15 minutes of practice, a guy takes a dull sanded ball, and plays right up 7-8-9 towards the 3 pin. In all of my matches, tv, etc. I have never experienced someone purposely not trying to strike, but to build a stripe to bank off when the lights come on. 2 minutes before the show starts, move 10-13 left, and throw it right. This dictates how the lane will be played. When someone does this, they are saying, you will not play right of where I am doing this. You will play left of what I am doing. I don't agree with this. Unfortunately, there's no rule to prevent it. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing right in front of me. How this is supposed to be the most prestigious tournament, yet integrity takes a back seat. It's not his fault, he bowled great all week. Nothing against him, just the rules that allow integrity to be destroyed. What did I say into the camera? BAN SANDING BOWLING BALLS. Read my lips, Enough said, I apologize for my behavior, I love this game, just want to see it played fair "
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Post by: guzmand19 on April 04, 2005, 12:35:26 PM
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Post by: guzmand19 on April 04, 2005, 01:26:40 PM
Why should we punish a stroker who needs a duller ball on certain patterns? Really what needs to be done, is don't let the bowlers bowl on the same lanes every game. Most tourneys require you to change lanes after games so there is no time to set up a "defense shot"
On the telecast they already have practice lanes set up for the bowlers waiting their turn, so why not just limit the number of throws a person has on the tv lanes. 2 throws a piece, max.
I doubt it could be enforced or there may not be a scale to measure it, but maybe limit the grit that a ball can be sanded to. Make 600 the minimum grit, or something like that. Sanding a ball to 240 or whatever is stupid.
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Post by: cgilyeat on April 04, 2005, 01:50:15 PM
The lanes are oiled with a specific pattrern for a purpose, and I don't believe that a bowler should be able to modify the pattern in such a way as to defeat the original purpose of the pattern. To do this is to reduce/remove the limitations that the pattern places on the lanes and the bowler. I'm not sure what the real solution is, but certaily reoiling between matches and limiting the amount of practce would help.
Post by: scottie on April 04, 2005, 02:34:06 PM
you could also say that bowling all week in a different house ,then moving to a new location with hot tv lights is unfair too..that changes the oil condition big time......when you get paid 120k,i think at that level,one should be able to deal with the conditions out there........
Post by: Bjaardker on April 04, 2005, 02:41:39 PM
I have a ball sanded into a piece of charcoal & there was a team of crankers in our league that had no idea of how to adjust.
Everytime I knew we were playing them I would throw my "defense ball" on their line for the full 15 minutes of practice, most of the time only on one lane to get it good & whacked. They would switch to lighter equipment, skid right through the breakpoint, go stronger, cross way over.
On the great wall of china they put out it was the only way I could compete.
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 04, 2005, 03:06:04 PM
So in practice I found a viable strike shot with my plastic ball. I shot 235 the first gmae and pushed all of the oil I could into his breakpoint. Guess wehat? His 205 average became a night of 130's and 140's.
I say that any bowler should be able to adjust to the condition and should not have to build one for himself...particularly at the professional level.
Now before you guys jump on me for what I did...I had a perfectly valid shot...15 to 8 with my Hybrid Dirty Bomb but I knew our team was going to need the extra pins in ourn favor so I set myself up with a quality shot that just happened to mess up his line.
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Post by: Bjaardker on April 04, 2005, 03:59:18 PM
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Voss shouldn't have acted the way he did, but if the PBA or ABC doesn't put a stop to the use of ultra abrasive shells, we aren't going to like where it takes us. \
Bob, I know you remember the hey day of urethane. I had a super rough gyro that I used to open up the lanes back then too. This isn't something new.
Weren't the balls just as abrasive then as they are now as well? I think that the only difference is that the balls now days are more apt to suck up the oil, thus changing the lane conditions faster.
Also, I think that a LOT of this discussion has to do with the fact that most houses are using either offense or in most cases prodigy for oil. If we saw houses moving back to defense, I think a lot of this "burning up the line" talk would be gone. (then again we'd be back to kvetching about carrydown from hell)
Post by: NOTHUMB on April 04, 2005, 06:06:27 PM
I hate Urethane for this reason because of the slopped up backends it creates. I know people will disagree with me on that, but it just makes some "normal" shots play very stupid.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 10, 2005, 10:38:28 PM
The Triumph TNT is NOT the ball to use after your opponent has thrown some sponge down the lane to place a dry path.
Reyes and Voss have both proven that. If you have been using one all week have a backup plan unless 150 is your friend.
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PS Triumph TNT an absolute gem of a ball, not after your opponent throws a rock dwon the lane for a while.