Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 05:13:56 AM
DISCUSS!
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:19:09 PM
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Post by: cranker89 on October 26, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:21:08 PM
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This is really pro stuff. Duke is going to make history
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke
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Even though I'm not a fan of Norm's game at all, still gotta respect someone that is as accurate and consist as he is.
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Post by: cranker89 on October 26, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:22:19 PM
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Norm Duke kickin A****
Kind of Ironic: This is where it all started for Barnes
The Birthplace...... Not a Shocker
Should be called
Wichita State Chokers....
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:23:04 PM
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Back to back to back majors is really spectacular
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Very spectacular for his bank account and his future sponsors. Move over WRW. Norm is the new face of the PBA!
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Post by: cranker89 on October 26, 2008, 01:24:28 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
10-19.
LOL!
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Post by: dw23 on October 26, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
Say what you want. If Chris continue to bowl like this he will be player of the year again. He will make more shows than anyone again this year. he will probably win 2+ titles. POY!
Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:32:31 PM
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No one was going to beat Norm playing that part of the lane.
Say what you want. If Chris continue to bowl like this he will be player of the year again. He will make more shows than anyone again this year. he will probably win 2+ titles. POY!
Or............
Do a year 2000 on us all:
MOST TELECASTS ONE SEASON, NO TITLES
12, Chris Barnes (2000)
^ from PBA all-time records
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on October 26, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 01:35:47 PM
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Chris Barnes is fascinating to watch on TV. It makes the show interesting that's for sure. I had to go for Norm on that one all the way. I am kind of getting tired of Barnes' pouty or smug reactions to everything though.
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Yeah, there was no reason to bowl on Norm's line unless he was trying to be an A-hole about it. I loved how Norm bowled on Chris's line at the end far left and threw another strike.
IN YO FACE CHRIS!
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Post by: tank38 on October 26, 2008, 01:37:46 PM
Post by: dw23 on October 26, 2008, 01:38:19 PM
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Post by: neverbackdown_x7x on October 26, 2008, 01:39:00 PM
Barnes should have stayed with the Momentum Swing and played the same left side from his match with Jaros. But you gotta love Duke being on fire the entire time.
Post by: triggerman on October 26, 2008, 01:41:10 PM
the practice between the matches, Norm was over left gutter and i can pretty well assure you he was throwing a sanded down sponge, Barnes probably assumed that line was gonna be toast based upon what Norm was doing and he chose to move out with Duke (not Barnes game, but understandable as to why he moved) Hats off to Norm, he threw the ball really well
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Post by: tank38 on October 26, 2008, 01:47:02 PM
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What was up with Rash and the shot clock?? I couldn't tell if he was getting his fingers stuck in the ball or if he was nervous as hell and second-guessing.
Barnes should have stayed with the Momentum Swing and played the same left side from his match with Jaros. But you gotta love Duke being on fire the entire time.
I think he was just nervous and just couldn't get comfortable.
Post by: Russell on October 26, 2008, 02:06:09 PM
Get a life.
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on October 26, 2008, 03:03:09 PM
Post by: strikecing on October 26, 2008, 03:22:43 PM
Even though I'm not a fan of Norm's game at all, still gotta respect someone that is as accurate and consist as he is.
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Post by: Necromancer on October 26, 2008, 03:55:45 PM
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sometimes it makes me laugh out loud.......reigning pba player of the year is slammed and ridiculed for losing. i guess everyone on this site is better than chris barnes.
People like you roam all over the internet - especially on sports forums or bodybuilding forums. 'XYZ, just played terrible today, he sucks'. This is where people like you come in and say, "well...uh.. HE IS BETTER THAN YOU" LOL, no really? Well if you can't take the heat, then get out of the fireplace. People that criticize critism are the true whiners on any topic.
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Post by: JoeBowler on October 26, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
Post by: iowalefty on October 26, 2008, 04:38:12 PM
i read jeff's blog, and what chris did is even more understandable based on that. with norm going inside like that, and how quickly that line burnt up, chris probably figured he either had to move out to norms line or loft the guttercap, which he had done at times. far be it for us to judge, but i remember the tourney that robert smith won really lofting the guttercap and brad angelo made a series of ball changes so he didn't have to move further left and loft the guttercap as well.
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Post by: Jeff Carter on October 26, 2008, 04:55:05 PM
Chris won 1 game in match play all week playing right of his opponent...so that was his strategy against Steve. The right lane wasn't very friendly so he decided to jump right in the title match. At that point it was gonna take a big game to beat Norm and he felt that was his best chance. It wasn't a choke, it wasn't anything other than he just never got matched up. Unfortunately you don't have the luxury to be here and see what goes on and how things unfold. This lane surface has so much friction, not to mention the heat from the lights, that the front part of the lane goes away very quickly. Chris did all he could, i'm sure.
As for Sean...it wasn't nerves and it wasn't a hand problem. The seams in the approaches this week weren't very good for a lot of players. Sean probably balked at different points on the approach at least 2-3 times every game all week.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 26, 2008, 05:13:39 PM
Inane statements by asinine individuals garner no credence.
Chris made the decision to bowl a line that HE thought would give him an edge to compete against Duke. He was wrong, as evidenced by his switch back to the middle part of the lane late in the title game, but that doesn't automatically qualify him as a choker (for you Monday morning quarterbacks).
If Chris Barnes was a choker, he wouldn't be a perenial exempt player that gets on TV more than just about anyone.
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on October 26, 2008, 06:28:41 PM
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Chris Barnes is fascinating to watch on TV. It makes the show interesting that's for sure. I had to go for Norm on that one all the way. I am kind of getting tired of Barnes' pouty or smug reactions to everything though.
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Well kind of resaction, if any, would you prefer him to have?
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on October 26, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on October 26, 2008, 06:30:30 PM
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I think a lot of you that bash Barnes are pathetic....
Get a life.
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on October 26, 2008, 06:34:40 PM
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sometimes it makes me laugh out loud.......reigning pba player of the year is slammed and ridiculed for losing. i guess everyone on this site is better than chris barnes.
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People like you roam all over the internet - especially on sports forums or bodybuilding forums. 'XYZ, just played terrible today, he sucks'. This is where people like you come in and say, "well...uh.. HE IS BETTER THAN YOU" LOL, no really? Well if you can't take the heat, then get out of the fireplace. People that criticize critism are the true whiners on any topic.
I guess people will twist logic any which way to justify themselves...
Hey, maybe people who criticize the criticism of the critics are REALLY the whiners...oh, wait, that would be the original critics, wouldn't it?
Post by: pate08 on October 26, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
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Post by: baltimora on October 26, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
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For those of you that second guess the players, keep in mind that you have 10 shots to make decisions. Everything happens so fast that you pretty much have to choose and go.
Chris won 1 game in match play all week playing right of his opponent...so that was his strategy against Steve. The right lane wasn't very friendly so he decided to jump right in the title match. At that point it was gonna take a big game to beat Norm and he felt that was his best chance. It wasn't a choke, it wasn't anything other than he just never got matched up. Unfortunately you don't have the luxury to be here and see what goes on and how things unfold. This lane surface has so much friction, not to mention the heat from the lights, that the front part of the lane goes away very quickly. Chris did all he could, i'm sure.
As for Sean...it wasn't nerves and it wasn't a hand problem. The seams in the approaches this week weren't very good for a lot of players. Sean probably balked at different points on the approach at least 2-3 times every game all week.
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Post by: Necromancer on October 27, 2008, 09:10:15 AM
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How is it that Chris Barnes has done more for the sport of bowling than anybody on this site ever will, yet he still gets thrown under the bus every possible chance? It's really sad.
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What exactly has he done? I stopped buying C300 balls since he became a sponsor for it, I'd prefer not seeing him on TV since he has had way too many chances only to blow it, he does nothing but overthink and choke recently, and overall he is taking up a spot that could be better used by someone else.
If you want to talk who did a lot for bowling in recent years:
-WRW
-Pete Weber
-Parker Bohn III
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 27, 2008, 09:37:18 AM
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How is it that Chris Barnes has done more for the sport of bowling than anybody on this site ever will, yet he still gets thrown under the bus every possible chance? It's really sad.
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What exactly has he done? I stopped buying C300 balls since he became a sponsor for it, I'd prefer not seeing him on TV since he has had way too many chances only to blow it, he does nothing but overthink and choke recently, and overall he is taking up a spot that could be better used by someone else.
If you want to talk who did a lot for bowling in recent years:
-WRW
-Pete Weber
-Parker Bohn III
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You just showed your arse.....
You can talk trash and call him a choker all you want, hell i can't stand the guy but, do not take away the things he has done for this sport. There is NO ONE that has done as much as he has in youth development and overall image for the sport than Barnes.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 09:41:48 AM
Criticism from small-minded individuals leveled at his performances on television, is a reflection of their own ineptitude and lack of achievement.
Wishing failure on anyone is cowardly and despicable.
Incidentally, Necro, Barnes banked more money in the past few years than the bowlers you mention above (including Walter Ray), great as they are.
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Post by: baccala8872 on October 27, 2008, 09:48:22 AM
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Chris Barnes's objective while on the PBA is to make a living to support his family, and a he does a very fine job at that (he bowls extremely well during the week, and places himself in a position to make lots of dough, regardless if he wins or not).
Criticism from small-minded individuals leveled at his performances on television, is a reflection of their own ineptitude and lack of achievement.
Wishing failure on anyone is cowardly and despicable.
Incidentally, Necro, Barnes banked more money in the past few years than the bowlers you mention above (including Walter Ray), great as they are.
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Wolf,
I agree with you 100%. However, I do root for others' failure. When the target is Bill Belichick, does it still count?
Chris Barnes is a tremendous bowler and if I could throw the ball 1/100th as good as he can, I'd be a very happy camper. Remember, to "choke" on TV means that you also had to outlast a bunch of other guys out there who are trying to make a living as well in order to get on the telecast.
In order to lose that many finals, you also need to make that many finals.
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Post by: bowlingnut07 on October 27, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
i can see not being a fan of dukes' but NOT OF HIS GAME?
lol one of the best games and best players to play the game
cant see how u dont like that game. he has several great releases. can play straight or hook the snot out of it, he can do it all!!
Post by: Necromancer on October 27, 2008, 09:58:20 AM
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i cant belive the guy on this post that says "im not a fan of norm dukes game"
i can see not being a fan of dukes' but NOT OF HIS GAME?
lol one of the best games and best players to play the game
cant see how u dont like that game. he has several great releases. can play straight or hook the snot out of it, he can do it all!!
It is because I don't relate to his game. I didn't say he sucks. I relate to more power players like Robert Smith or Tommy Jones. It is like in basketball, I can relate to the way Allen Iverson plays and that and Michael Jordan are who I tried to emulate. I didn't try to emulate Shaq or any other tall dudes that can't shoot. Me and Duke have zero in common when it comes to bowling. I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
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Post by: CharlieBrown on October 27, 2008, 10:11:03 AM
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Jeff, thanks for the fair unbiased look at the inside.
x 2
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 10:20:55 AM
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I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
And 0x the talent.
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Post by: Jorge300 on October 27, 2008, 10:24:36 AM
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I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
And -100x the talent.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 27, 2008, 10:26:25 AM
Edited on 10/27/2008 11:49 AM
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 10:29:57 AM
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Chris Barnes's objective while on the PBA is to make a living to support his family, and a he does a very fine job at that (he bowls extremely well during the week, and places himself in a position to make lots of dough, regardless if he wins or not).
Criticism from small-minded individuals leveled at his performances on television, is a reflection of their own ineptitude and lack of achievement.
Wishing failure on anyone is cowardly and despicable.
Incidentally, Necro, Barnes banked more money in the past few years than the bowlers you mention above (including Walter Ray), great as they are.
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Wolf,
I agree with you 100%. However, I do root for others' failure. When the target is Bill Belichick, does it still count?
Chris Barnes is a tremendous bowler and if I could throw the ball 1/100th as good as he can, I'd be a very happy camper. Remember, to "choke" on TV means that you also had to outlast a bunch of other guys out there who are trying to make a living as well in order to get on the telecast.
In order to lose that many finals, you also need to make that many finals.
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Baccala,
I believe there is a distinct difference between wishing someone failure on a personal level, and rooting against someone, as in your example, since you are basically saying that you want your team to beat so-and-so's team (or wishing an individual to outshine another).
You are not saying that you want the guy out of business, since you do realize he's a great coach (Bill Belichick), and likely you enjoy it very much if your team beats his, as beating a worthy opponent is exponentially much more enjoyable than trashing a team that doesn't provide the same level of challenge.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 10:36:35 AM
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I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
And -100x the talent.
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Fixed!!
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In Necro's mind, you're right!
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Post by: ccrider on October 27, 2008, 11:46:40 AM
Yesterday, Barnes made a bad call. Actually two. He changed balls and lines. He seemed to have a good look at the end of the semis with the momentum swing. Duke did move inside during warm up, but Duke struck with every ball that was shown on T.V. thrown inside during warm up, and then he moved back outside to win the match. Barnes had the inside all to himself. I would have liked to have seen him start where he left off and continue to move inside with his A game. I think we will see that from him in the future.
Necro, not to like Duke's game---not to like poetry in motion. How much power does it take to consistently put ten in the pit? Norm Duke has it figured out for sure.
We are the consuming public. We have a right to be critics, regardless to whether we are good bowlers. Talking about the game and the players is a good thing. For sure, Barnes, Duke(all in tears though he may be), Diaper Rash, WRW, help to keep the ratings up.
This is the only sport that I know of where fans get so sensitive when other fans criticize the players for not winning or not performing well.
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Post by: Stan on October 27, 2008, 11:53:11 AM
Took a lot of guts to make the move he did, and if it worked all you Barnes haters would be quiet.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on October 27, 2008, 12:03:38 PM
Thus we forget that Duke threw what a 258? That's what 9 or 10 strikes? Chris was searching, and he didn't find, but how can you call him a choke for trying something he thought might give him the best chance of scoring high enough to win the match?
He just got done shooting like pooh in the semi final and luckily his opponent shot worse, he had to change something if he wanted to compete with the only person on the lanes that had a good look to the hole.
Yes he missed a spare, but at that point it did not matter. How many of you have had those nights where you can't find anything, and whiff a spare that 99% of the time you make without thinking? That's what happened here. He was frustrated at not being able to find something and let that disrupt his spare shot. The match was already out of hand.
I am a big fan of Norm, and was happy to see him win. I'm also a fan of Barnes' game and hate to see him lose. For me personally that final had the two guys I'd like most to see besides PDW. The score ended up being lopsided, but let us be real THEIR NEW SHIRTS ROCKED!!
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Post by: chitown on October 27, 2008, 03:06:36 PM
If Barnes ever get's on a tear he's going to rack up title wins in a hurry!
For this tourney I don't think Barnes lost because of a break down in his mental game.
Post by: Jorge300 on October 27, 2008, 03:27:24 PM
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I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
And -100x the talent.
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Jorge,
In Necro's mind, you're right!
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BowlingWolf,
Im thinking you missed the negative. I thought giving him a zero was too high praise, so I thought the -100 was more appropriate. Even if Duke lost all his talent, he'd still be light years ahead of Necro, so hence the -100X. Or maybe I missed the sarcasm in your post,
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Post by: Monster Pike on October 27, 2008, 03:43:27 PM
So that's why he made his move. Barnes makes the 1st TV final of the year, in a major tournament no less, & we are already calling him a choker again??? Come on, let's let the season get underway.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 04:34:37 PM
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I have about 2x the speed and revs as he does and that is just how I play. So there!
And -100x the talent.
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Jorge,
In Necro's mind, you're right!
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BowlingWolf,
Im thinking you missed the negative. I thought giving him a zero was too high praise, so I thought the -100 was more appropriate. Even if Duke lost all his talent, he'd still be light years ahead of Necro, so hence the -100X. Or maybe I missed the sarcasm in your post,
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Jorge,
I see what you mean. Actually what I thought you had written was 100% (which was an attempt at sarcasm), since my old eyes missed your negative sign.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 04:38:32 PM
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Taken from Storm's website: ""The Hy-Road was in play all week," said Storm Tour Representative Chris Schlemer. "You will see many bowlers using it on Tour this year. I told Norm before the match started that he was going to need a big game in the final. What the television audience didn't see, was Barnes got locked in from outside during practice. When the final match started though, Barnes lost the read."
So that's why he made his move. Barnes makes the 1st TV final of the year, in a major tournament no less, & we are already calling him a choker again??? Come on, let's let the season get underway.
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Sadly, it likely won't be the last time many more accomplished ballreviews bowlers blast Chris over the course of the new season.
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Post by: Kid Jete on October 27, 2008, 04:59:58 PM
Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 27, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
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You should just make the new username, FIGJAMancer and get it over with. Talk about pen1s envy. This is the worst case I have ever witnessed.
I just lost Red Bull out my Nose too funny
Post by: Necromancer on October 27, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
You should be happy that I speak my mind and tell it how it is. A lot of people here suck up to others and just bandwagon with what any other member has to say about anything.
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Post by: rvmark on October 27, 2008, 06:09:24 PM
That being said I have to agree with the others on this one, hard to call it a choke job when making the finals of a major.
Mark
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 27, 2008, 07:48:34 PM
Some of your musings:
Revolutions and speed are what you admire most about bowling/bowlers.
Anyone who “fluffs†the ball (a la Norm Duke) even if purposely/strategically done (a la Norm Duke), is not exciting to watch, even if they strike/score better then others (a la Norm Duke), then blast opponents of such proficient practitioners for their lack of lane play/management (Chris Barnes) against bowlers who have the ability to play a different part of the lane because they are taking their hand out of the ball a little (a la Norm Duke).
Before Sunday’s telecast, you flat out said you don’t like seeing Norm Duke on television because he’s not a fantastic speed/revolutions dominant bowler such as yourself (which, of course, is a joke, as Duke can play any part of the lane and any which way he chooses to do so, whenever he feels like it, whether it be a “straight†ball or a banana-shaped cranking curve—it’s all about effectiveness, a concept you’re apparently not aware of).
Then, after Duke won, you state that Duke is now the new face of the PBA (even though he’s older, which happens to be another quality you dislike), suggest that Walter Ray move over, and promptly proceed to anoint Chris Barnes (he who makes more TV shows and is the top money earner for the last half decade, at least) a choker.
Politics may be in your future, as you’re already a very well accomplished flip-flopper.
Having said all that, people like you do have a redeeming quality—you’re not inexorably corrosive—you only possess youthful obstinacy.
You’re young. You’ll adjust.
For what it’s worth, I do enjoy reading your posts. I look forward to “seeing†you perhaps take more mature stances in the future.
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Post by: sdbowler on October 27, 2008, 08:11:05 PM
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Post by: KennyRambo on October 27, 2008, 11:55:41 PM
Post by: laner7pin on October 28, 2008, 12:42:50 AM
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Post by: NOTHUMB on October 28, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
He and Norm are both BEASTS on the lanes. They can do so much on the lane. When Barnes first showed up on tour, I would see him on tv and envied his ability to play from ANYWHERE on the lane. Again, he is a beast.
He is obviously a stud during qualifying and match play---BECAUSE HE IS ALWAYS THERE!!! You cant deny any of that.
That being said (and please read with an open mind and without your "I love Chris Barnes" glasses on):
Of the tops on tour---Tommy Jones, Sean Rash, Walter Ray, Duke, PDW, Couch, PA, Mika, etc, etc, etc---anyone you want to name-----How is it that when they are on the show, these types of conversations rarely come up? These conversations are dominant when Barnes is on the shows. When he made the move last year to pipe the pocket on 1 lane, I gave him his props---it was a sick move that won him the tourney. But typically for Chris, it hasnt played out that way. But for PDW, he pipes 10 on 1 lane and hooks it on the other to win. Or Duke plays out all week, and then has to hook it in the final 8 frames to win. These things have happened. Barnes has done it too---but he has had this type of situation play out alot on TV.
My point isnt that Barnes is a choker---I think that SOMETIMES he is versatile to a fault. He can do so much (which is a good thing), that he may be convinced he can do something BETTER than his opponent. Duke had the money look---for Duke. That wasnt the money look for Barnes---I dont see how anyone can disagree with that. Everyone says that if Barnes shoots 250 we are talking about a gutsy move. Right, but if he shoots 230 playing in, we are talking about how he just got beat because Norm had a better look. Whats wrong with that? Maybe Barnes can stay within a shot early in the match, and maybe Duke doesnt put up 250+.
How loose does your swing get when you are winning by 50 in the 5th frame??? Ask Barnes when he bowled Haugen---ok maybe not.....
I know Ill get flamed on this. I am not a pro. I offer no credentials that Barnes offers. I am a fan of his game and his skills but there is just something there. I do like that for how many years on this site people keep saying "Barnes will win POY", "Barnes will break out of this", etc, etc, etc. Ok, maybe he will---but Ill believe it when I see it.
One last random thought:
Did anyone else find it funny that when striking out to beat Jaros, Barnes went into his tournament winning pose? Arms up, triumphant. He won the match, with a CLUTCH 10th frame (see that, I said he was clutch). But thats his end of the day, give me the big check and trophy pose. I thought that he would have had more of a pumped up, vocal reaction. I mean how many times do you strike out for 192 or whatever, to win a semi-final. I'd be trying to get myself fired up a little more than the "Im the man" pose.
Let the flames begin---unless you read this with an open mind. If you think about it, I dont know if you can disagree with anything Ive said...
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 29, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
Excellent conveyance of a very accurate observation, from top to bottom of your post.
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Post by: pate08 on October 29, 2008, 10:34:37 AM
"I would like to share with ya’ll since you weren’t able to see what happened just before the title match. Barnes knew he wasn’t going to beat Norm by playing in, so he made a ball change and jumped out to the right. Now folks, I’m not exaggerating when I say the Barnes never missed the pocket and threw a 10 bagger before the lights came on. In fact, both Norm and I felt the same after watching him warm up. Norm knew he was in for a battle and I left him with this. 'Before the title match of the U.S Open, you told me it was the greatest achievement of your career. I agreed. Now here we are six months later and you are going to bowl the toughest game of your career. I need everything you got the next 12 shots. Good luck!'"
Just thought that might show that Barnes didn't necessarily make a bad move.
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Post by: mainzer on October 29, 2008, 10:47:41 AM
Just a thought I don't think it is very smart for you to come on here calling him a choke artist when you couldn't even hang with any of those guys for 1 game never mind all of match play. Another thing for you Necro, Can you even make an adjustment from one side of the lane to the other? Are you even that talented?
I see you average 178 in tournaments? Why are you even opening your mouth calling Barnes a choker? Barnes is at least good enough to get to the championship match we can't call YOU a choker because you are not good enough to make the cut after qualifying. 178 BAH! HACK! I SMELL HOUSE HACK WANNABE!
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Post by: Platinum Bowler on October 29, 2008, 09:11:27 PM
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Post by: APheLion on October 29, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: Kid Jete on October 29, 2008, 09:19:43 PM
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Yeah and I bet none of you criticize any other sports athlete in any of the other sports. Yeah you are all kind and nice and cheer for every player and every team.
You should be happy that I speak my mind and tell it how it is. A lot of people here suck up to others and just bandwagon with what any other member has to say about anything.
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It's got nothing to do with you speaking your mind, it's how you speak it. You can't discussing anything without FIGJAM oozing out every one of your orifices. Sorry to say it but Barnes, heck most everyone around here, would piss all over your life.
Post by: Wilbert on October 30, 2008, 12:25:28 PM
I do not think he was not matched with the right equipment to line he was playing. He would have been competitive if he played inside with used the ball he finished the 2nd game. In the first game, the ball he was using rolled too soon and did not have enough backend.
Post by: NOTHUMB on October 30, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
Im not a fan of Barnes and posted my opinion---I tried to think it out entirely---and noone flamed me. Necro, maybe you could learn something from that. Barnes has all the game and you know that---dont be so quick to use the CH word. Just saying.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on October 30, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Post by: NOTHUMB on October 31, 2008, 06:05:56 AM
You have to give Barnes credit. His record in game 1's is pretty good. Must be something about in between games :-)
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