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Post by: Necromancer on January 27, 2008, 11:58:20 AM
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Post by: billy2gun on January 27, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
Wow! Barnes...OMG!
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Post by: Walking E on January 27, 2008, 12:04:37 PM
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Warning, Suicide Watch Needed! I cannot comprehend what I just watched.
You said it. I don't know that Barnes can mentally recover from this.
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Post by: witesoxwoz22 on January 27, 2008, 12:06:03 PM
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Post by: bighook69 on January 27, 2008, 12:06:16 PM
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Barnes is everything I teach my kids not to be on the lanes.
A good bowler??
Post by: MelvinBrunsTrack on January 27, 2008, 12:07:11 PM
Post by: billy2gun on January 27, 2008, 12:07:25 PM
quote:QuoteWarning, Suicide Watch Needed! I cannot comprehend what I just watched.
You said it. I don't know that Barnes can mentally recover from this.
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Barnes looked absolutely empty after leaving the open frame. I mean total emptiness. Never seen that before in a pro bowler.
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Post by: Necromancer on January 27, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on January 27, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
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GOOD LUCK WES!!!!!
Post by: Bowljr300 on January 27, 2008, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on January 27, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
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It was a choke but give props to Michael for keeping his mind in the game and he made a key ball change. Radar Lock on Right and changed to Max Velocity on the left..
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Post by: Thunder835 on January 27, 2008, 12:22:52 PM
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Post by: NOTHUMB on January 27, 2008, 12:28:36 PM
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Earl Anthony 'choked' 42 times.
No, Earl Anthony lost 42 times in the finals. Im guessing he may have had a couple questionable losses---but Barnes losses are always questionable. Every time, its not a matter of pin carry---its the killer instinct he lacks. Its the one bad shot in a key time. Or where he cant identify that as a professional he is catching small breaks to win an earlier match and then never makes the adjustment necessary to win---Hell Scroggins did that a couple weeks back and everyone hates him. Im not saying Scroggins is better than Barnes.
My comment for the day......
Shafer does the most with the least. (Maybe not in wins, but to be where he's at the way he stiff legs it---thats crazy)
Barnes does the least with the most. (He is like Pennsylvania sports teams---they find a way to lose and usually they hurt more each time)
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Post by: strikealot on January 27, 2008, 12:34:07 PM
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Post by: actsbowler21 on January 27, 2008, 01:14:34 PM
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Couldn't happen to a better guy...Barnes is everything I teach my kids not to be on the lanes.
and for those lessons you pass on to your kids, they will never be in position to do what Barnes did today. As sick of situation that Chris is going through, I would rather be going through it and having half of his talent on lanes.
Congrats to MHJ what a performance... way to take control of your own destiny and come through when everyone including myself, pretty much crowned Chris..today is a great lesson in not shutting yourself out people..even when it looks grim, it takes one JUST ONE mistake by you or you opponent to turn the tide of the match
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Post by: walley 3261 on January 27, 2008, 01:17:12 PM
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Post by: shelley on January 27, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
But today it was his head. There was no way he was going to strike on that fill ball, not after failing to strike for the last four or five frames, not after flagging that 10-pin. As soon as he missed the first one in the tenth, Haugen had it.
A blowout 7-10 on a pocket shot ain't chokin', flagging a 10-pin when you just need a mark is.
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Post by: JessN16 on January 27, 2008, 03:52:51 PM
Pros are not above analysis from the masses simply because they're more talented than us. That's a given. But fans in all sports have a "right" to speak. Don't think for a minute they don't.
Some of you can't equate a very factual point of analysis with anything other than a slam. I've never met Barnes, so I can't speak for or against him as a person.
But as a bowler, today in the TOC? He choked. Choked. Say it, learn it, live it, he choked. A professional bowler in that spot in that tournament should NEVER miss a 10-pin or any other single pin.
It's not about how many 10s I've missed in my life, or if I'm as good as Barnes. If we limit criticism of Barnes to it coming from people who are as good as he is, no one on this site could say anything and neither could 75 percent of the exempt field, either.
But that's not how analysis works. The only thing that matters when analyzing something is if you are smart enough to know what you're talking about.
Today's miss was, IMO, bigger than Ballard's gutterball. Ballard needed something like 7 pins to win and had been playing an outside line all day when he guttered. Barnes needed to throw a plastic ball straight at the 10. He didn't have to play an angle or worry about revs. Just hit one pin.
Haugen deserves major credit for hanging in this game and never giving up. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity and Haugen was prepared for his opportunity when it arrived.
However, he never would have had a chance had Barnes not committed a completely indefensible mistake at a crucial moment in a tournament of epic proportions. That, folks, is the working definition of "choke" in the professional athletic sense.
I don't hate Chris Barnes. But he choked.
Jess
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 27, 2008, 04:11:06 PM
why wouldn't you want your children to bowl like chris barnes ? i'd give anything to be half that good. he's a better example of what a pba member should look like and act like than most you'll run into.
would you rather your children acted like chris collins ?
Post by: someguyintucson on January 27, 2008, 04:28:01 PM
Post by: mrgriswold on January 27, 2008, 04:32:31 PM
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Let's keep it civil but here is why there is no denying he choked: he missed a 10 pin. It wasn't a split. It wasn't bad luck. It wasn't the lanes. It was him. Chris is a great bowler but he lacks the internal mental state that the greats have in any sport like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. It is a shame really.
Well put. I feel terrible for Chris Barnes. He is arguably one of the three most physically talented bowlers of our time.
Yeah, he choked. But I urge others not to pile it on and instead root for Barnes' restoration. Who among those of us reading this forum has never choked?
I for one hope to see the restoration of Chris Barnes and hope he wins many championships and majors. The battle becomes more difficult now--all the more reason to root for him in my book.
Post by: CaliBowler300 on January 27, 2008, 05:05:39 PM
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Post by: dpunky on January 27, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
Chris is a great bowler. He has all the talent in the world. When I watch him, I think he puts way too much pressure on himself and tends to make mistakes because he's overthinking. Yes, he's human and he will make mistakes. I just wish I could just tell him to just clear his mind on the approach and just pry it off.
Congrats to Michael on his second victory, and first Major. He deserves this for all the years he's struggled to get a single victory.
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Post by: agroves on January 27, 2008, 05:50:41 PM
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 27, 2008, 05:59:44 PM
He may not be the mother of all chokers, but, with that much talent, he should have won a LOT more than eight times.
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Post by: NOTHUMB on January 27, 2008, 06:21:06 PM
Ive always said that he makes ok shots on tv---not professional shots. His off shots are 2 pins or 4 pins that could be 4-9s. Im not saying that he is horrible. Its just how many times have you seen him guide a shot in by 3-4-5 boards and then act dumbfounded as to why it hooked? I know some of us want to believe with is wonderful physical game, that he cant make mistakes---watch the replays in the past. Too many times Ive seen him cave buckets for key strikes to win a match, then he comes back the next game---leaves a bucket, and wonders where it came from??? He just never seems to make the right move on the shows. I remember when he used to match up with Walter Ray periodically he would always seem to try to play Walters A game, even though it wasnt his A game. He would try to pipe it up 10. Walter would shoot 258 and Chris would shoot 225 with 1 BIG MISTAKE. It is what he does.
Shafer was the perfect person for Chris Barnes to draw in the semis---someone who just doesnt win. Its a confidence thing. Everyone is siting when they knew Chris would lose the match---how about when Haugen came back and said "Make him show up at least." That planted a seed in Chris' head. He is thinking at that point, "I just need to show up, just stay clean and I win". And look what happens. People say he rushed, or whatever---he missed. He made a HUGE mistake. As many times as Ive trashed him in the past, I will say this....
He has come back from what I would consider chokes, so many times. Now this is a by definition choke---if he comes back in the same way---even if its just to finish 2nd all the time like he does now, Ill be impressed. Todays loss had to be, at best, disheartening. He is a professional bowler---in the 6th frame he throws a shot through the break and leaves a 2 pin. Then in the 8th on the same lane, he gets it out and throws it soft---he leaves a 4 pin. Then in the 10th frame he throws it through the break again.
Did anyone else find it curious that he hooked at the 2 pin??? I know you all may not read this whole post---but he always goes hard and straight at spares unless its the 2-8 or 3-6-9-10. That just basically said that he had lost faith in what got him there. For most bowlers, that would be the perfect position to do what you need to do, make the spare and stick with the program.
Then he throws his fill ball---pulls it a couple boards---and would have been VERY fortunate to carry.
He just never seems to be able to make that one move. That one adjustment that will win him a tourney. I know he has won. 8 times. I know he has a ton of 2nds. I know he is an incredible talent. Still put his talent with some other guys brains and you have the best bowler EVER.
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Post by: Strider on January 27, 2008, 06:41:50 PM
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Chris Barnes' career is over. $400,000 of his winnings are from a Brooklyn strike from the Motel 6 Roll to Riches. Yes he has 8 titles, 8 more than me, but he will never win again. He is like Notre Dame, a has been.
Never win again? Want to lay some money on that?
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And in regards to Earl Anthony, he was a left hander with no competition except Dave Davis and Johnny Petraglia. Earl would not win a single title today. Mike Aulby would struggle too.
Do you honestly believe that Earl Anthony would be a non factor today? I've read some interesting opinions over time, but this just might take the cake. Earl dominated during weeks when no other lefty made the top 24 and even during weeks when they made an effort to shut out the lefties. He wasn't flashy, but was insanely accurate, knew how to adjust his carry, and never beat himself.
I did notice that Barnes threw his strike ball at the 2 pin. He hadn't missed a single pin all week and made all the previous ones during the telecast. I've had a bad day where I've flagged a few corners and eventually switched to something different for spares, but losing confidence after one blown spare was something else.
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Post by: agroves on January 27, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
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Chris Barnes' career is over. $400,000 of his winnings are from a Brooklyn strike from the Motel 6 Roll to Riches. Yes he has 8 titles, 8 more than me, but he will never win again. He is like Notre Dame, a has been.
And in regards to Earl Anthony, he was a left hander with no competition except Dave Davis and Johnny Petraglia. Earl would not win a single title today. Mike Aulby would struggle too.
Uh, sure.
Barnes will win again. I sure about that. It will be win nobody puts pressure on him.
That last paragraph is ridiculous.
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Post by: vrbowlinfl on January 27, 2008, 07:34:35 PM
Barnes will win again. One thing I would give him is the ability to overcome his bad breaks and choke jobs. I would not be shocked if he makes it close to the show if not make it the next tourney.
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Post by: tonybowls on January 27, 2008, 07:36:21 PM
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Post by: nd300 on January 27, 2008, 07:50:04 PM
The name Steve Cook comes to mind.
Earl not being able to compete with today's players,conditions and equipment????? We already had this debate a few weeks back concerning Tiger and Jack Nicklaus. With the ability that we have to be able to match a player's ball speed,rev rate,etc to todays equipment,and with his mental game,Earl would easily win tournaments.
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Post by: baltimora on January 27, 2008, 07:53:15 PM
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Post by: joegunn on January 27, 2008, 08:01:16 PM
Friday night, Game 7 against Voss, everyone else was finished. The best Voss could shoot was in the 240's, and Barnes had the front nine with the match wrapped up. With everyone in the center watching, what does he do? He picks up his Miller Lite spare ball and throws at the 1-2 pocket and gets a 6 count (1-3-6-10). He totally ignored the fans who wanted to see the 300. Or, maybe he didn't want to take the chance he couldn't perform in the 10th...hmmmm...
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Post by: RandyO on January 27, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
Post by: Urameshii6 on January 28, 2008, 01:59:42 AM
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Some of you posting in this thread need to be realistic.
Pros are not above analysis from the masses simply because they're more talented than us. That's a given. But fans in all sports have a "right" to speak. Don't think for a minute they don't.
Some of you can't equate a very factual point of analysis with anything other than a slam. I've never met Barnes, so I can't speak for or against him as a person.
But as a bowler, today in the TOC? He choked. Choked. Say it, learn it, live it, he choked. A professional bowler in that spot in that tournament should NEVER miss a 10-pin or any other single pin.
It's not about how many 10s I've missed in my life, or if I'm as good as Barnes. If we limit criticism of Barnes to it coming from people who are as good as he is, no one on this site could say anything and neither could 75 percent of the exempt field, either.
But that's not how analysis works. The only thing that matters when analyzing something is if you are smart enough to know what you're talking about.
Today's miss was, IMO, bigger than Ballard's gutterball. Ballard needed something like 7 pins to win and had been playing an outside line all day when he guttered. Barnes needed to throw a plastic ball straight at the 10. He didn't have to play an angle or worry about revs. Just hit one pin.
Haugen deserves major credit for hanging in this game and never giving up. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity and Haugen was prepared for his opportunity when it arrived.
However, he never would have had a chance had Barnes not committed a completely indefensible mistake at a crucial moment in a tournament of epic proportions. That, folks, is the working definition of "choke" in the professional athletic sense.
I don't hate Chris Barnes. But he choked.
Jess
Couldn't have put better myself if I had all weekend and a dictionary. This is probably the best statement I've read yet. Way to hit the nail on the head, Jess.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on January 28, 2008, 07:12:43 AM
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Post by: Jorge300 on January 28, 2008, 08:28:34 AM
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Hey catchaclue61, why dont you get a clue!!! You state you teach your kids to be everything Barnes is not. What a shame for those kids. Chris Barnes is a guy that you should be modeling the future off of. He is a class act on and off of the lanes. The guy has great family values and should be looked at as a role model for the PBA tour. In my experience he has always been very open to talk to and always willing to sign autographs for kids. There are some of the top players you cannot say the same thing about. Chris is very focused on his job and you will not see him hanging out at the bar afterwards getting smashed, or starting conflict like other PBA professionals have. So I guess it all depends on what you are wanting to teach the kids, to be a true professional of the game or just another house hack.
Track900,
You say Chris Barnes is a class act on and off the lanes...did he act so after his loss yesterday? I don't think so, he stormed off the set barely shaking Haugen's hand. That isn't class. This was an opportunity to show real class and congratulate Haugen for his great bowling, he did not take it.
Barnes has also shown this lack of class in the past. During college, he felt he was better then most other bowlers (which he was) and made sure everyone knew it. He treated bowlers who were on what he considered inferior teams, as I was, like dirt and wouldn't even give you the time of day. To be fair, there were others on the Wichita team that acted that way as well, Lonnie Walicek comes to mind. Maybe these "chokes" are karma coming back to him for acting this way. To add to that Walicek has had his share of "chokes" too while on tour. I will not disagree with his taking the time for kids that you mentioned, probably the birth of his own sons showed him the joy that can come from children. But as far as showing class, Barnes has on more then one occassion showed none, yesterday being the most recent.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on January 28, 2008, 08:41:12 AM
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Post by: Jorge300 on January 28, 2008, 08:56:53 AM
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he has continued to show class, he has lost his edge...just because he blew the TOC and didnt shake haugens hand doesnt mean anything...he needs to become more of an ars to people, more of a me against the world attitude and he wouldnt melt down as often...he had a million things running through his head and im sure being happy for MH wasnt one of them...MH should have run to him and thanked him for giving him the tourney!
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Nice way to think there Chad.....based on your signature if the Alabama QB throws an interception to LSU that costs his team the game, should the Alabama coach not go shake hands with the LSU coach? Should Miles Thank Him for handing them the game? This is the lamest thing I have ever heard. You can still have the "killer instinct" and have class. Earl Anthony was a prime example. This is just an excuse to try to rationalize Barnes' classlessness, nothing more.
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Post by: renoatpikeville on January 28, 2008, 09:48:06 AM
That is I see him in the bowling alley with the doc.
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on January 28, 2008, 09:57:56 AM
Like the old saying goes "Its not over until its over"
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Post by: Platinum Bowler on January 28, 2008, 12:47:19 PM
Maybe the PBA will start to feel sympathetic for Barnes, and let him bowl to the 7th-8th frame of his tv matches, and then let Lynda finish off his game for him. I am sure she could handle it better!
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Post by: gHatMan on January 28, 2008, 08:22:55 PM
Post by: dpunky on January 29, 2008, 08:30:17 AM
Hopefully he can pick up the pieces, joke about this and start winning again.
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