Post by: northface28 on January 29, 2012, 04:00:01 AM
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Post by: sabman on January 29, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
That was Barnes's match to win. He seems to always get a split when the pressure amps up.
Post by: RSalas on January 29, 2012, 12:12:42 PM
Post by: rb27 on January 29, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
If a double elimination tourney, why doesn't the top seed need to be
defeated twice?
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Post by: Ahhbach on January 29, 2012, 12:13:45 PM
I don't know, I couldn't watch the show so I don't know what kind of shot he threw. I like Barnes and am awed by his physical talent, however, man that guy sure loses a lot it seems. It's almost as if he doesn't run away with it in the first 8 frames he poops the bed.
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Post by: on January 29, 2012, 12:15:16 PM
Fagan found the way to carry the 10, while Barnes seemed to tighten up once that ugly split happened. I don't know how any human could stay loose under Barnes' circumstances, but I am happy for Fagan.
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Post by: sabman on January 29, 2012, 01:34:19 PM
Post by: actsbowler21 on January 29, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
Fagan won it, Barnes made the adjustment he felt necessary on the touchy lane...Saying Barnes choked would be saying Bryon Smith choked when he lost to Fagan..the invisible transition we face as bowlers can get the best of us at any time..all the couch bowlers who say Barnes choked have no sense of reality...Barnes got off to the hot start and never really kept it going in the end...he had a miss where he made the adjustment and it wasn't the best result..Fagan struggles to carry the corners early and made the right move and finished strong..he won, barnes lost...Fagan wasn't given the title..and Barnes didn't choke it away...
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Post by: tburky on January 29, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
i agree. the number 1 seed should have to lose twice!
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 29, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
People who say Barnes choked just have no clue. Couldn't shove a needle between their buttocks with a bulldozer if they were in his situation.
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Post by: 9orbetter on January 29, 2012, 06:09:51 PM
Post by: Pat Patterson on January 29, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
+1 Good Point.
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Post by: south fl bowler on January 29, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
I had a friend call me from vegas earlier today.He said barnes used an Omen for all his match play.
He told me that ball cracked in practice before the show and was not useable.
bad break for Chris
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 29, 2012, 06:44:29 PM
Normally, I would say Barnes choked. However, this time I think it was just an adjustment from the prior shot on the same lane that caused it to go high. It actually didn't even look like a bad shot off his hand. The oil was a little screwy today for everyone.
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Post by: On Fire on January 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on January 29, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
I really didn't see what happened today as a choke.
Barnes just got beat, that's all.
If his Omen ball did crack just prior to competition in the finals, which prevented him from using his #1 weapon, isn't that just a really bad break? Maybe a sign from above?
Post by: jrs813 on January 30, 2012, 06:34:19 AM
i do not see this as a choke, but more of over thinking on barnes part after he tripped the 4 pin on the right. the next shot on that lane was light then the split.
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 30, 2012, 06:55:30 AM
Barnes throws one bad shot (and not the shot he left the split) and he is a choker?? Clueless, clueless, clueless!!! The worst shot of the match was the shot he left the 2-4. I wondered why he wasnt using the Omen because even though he snapped out a couple 10s, the Outburst seemed like it was struggling to read the pattern. So, to say that it cracked and was unusable makes sense. I dont know about you guys, but bowling for that much money, if I knew I threw it good and the ball creeps high and trips a 4 pin, I sure as heck wont throw it there again for fear of exactly what happened (split). Overall, I think Barnes threw it better than Fagan. Fagan just got the carry at the end of the game when he needed it. Good for Fagan though! I like watching him also and was good to see him win a big one.
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Post by: completebowler on January 30, 2012, 07:29:06 AM
I agree completely. I thought he threw the shot that left him the split really well. Looked to me like the move I would have tried if I were out there playing. Unfortunately the ball read a little extra friction and jumped high on him. Happens to everyone occasionally from time to time.
And I am no Barnes apologist. I have seen him choke in the past. But this wasn't one of those occasions.
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on January 30, 2012, 07:55:54 AM
I'm always the first to say when someone chokes and i'm pretty fair and unbiased when doing so, that being said I do not belive Barnes choked. The right lane had some unique breakdown going on late in that match.
I WOULD say however that Fagan did his job and TOOK the title in a sense.
So Fagan won it more than Barnes choked.
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Post by: themagician on January 30, 2012, 09:27:19 AM
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Post by: MrPerfect on January 30, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
It's kind of crazy that he's gotten to the point where the mere mention of choke and everyone knows what professional bowler you're talking about.
Post by: sabman on January 30, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Chris said this about his bowling ball choice on facebook:
"Left lane was tough to carry on and was about 3 tighter. The Outburst I used handled that lane well but hooked too early for the easier right lane. I should have used the Omen (that I used all week) on the right lane and the Outburst on the left."
So that ball was available...
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 30, 2012, 06:45:00 PM
Another poster worrying about "spoiler alerts" on a tape delayed show lol
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Barnes didn't choke he just failed to make the adjustment on the right lane and cost him the match. Fagan had a better reaction. Most be nice to be a number 1 seed and even have this stupid conversation. As many titles he has and shows he's made and most of all which no one has a clue about is how many match play appearances he's made he hasn't really choked much in his life. It's the stupid posters that know nothing about bowling that never follow bowling on pba.com and see live tournaments in the past (when they actually had those) and only dvr a bowling event and see this guy all the time and think he's a choker. It's bullshit and untrue. Barnes is one of the greatest bowlers ever and number of titles is irrelevant at this point in his career as he's a living legend and destined for the hall of fame.
Post by: Jorge300 on January 31, 2012, 07:54:07 AM
EPIC FAIL
This show was live, that was why Gary Thorne was doing the commentary and not Rob Stone.
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Edited by Jorge300 on 1/31/2012 at 8:54 AM
Post by: djones on January 31, 2012, 08:16:07 AM
I think most will agree that Barnes is vulnerable during a 1 game match. But give him a 3 game total pins match, he's the best out there.
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 31, 2012, 05:55:06 PM
Post by: sutherngent on February 05, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
I'm glad Fagan won...Im far from a Barnes fan. I do believe that it was probably equal parts Fagan and Barnes...Fagan had a better line and executed better. Did Barnes choke? I don't believe so, just didn't have as good a look as Fagan did.
I do agree that in a double elimination tournament such as the Masters, the #1 seed should have to lose twice for the other player to win. I thought I remembered seeing the Masters final on TV quite a few years ago and the #1 seed did have to lose twice....
Post by: Wilbert on February 28, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
I missed it on ESPN, but I saw the match on youtube. It looked like Barnes came around the ball more in the 4th frame and tripped the 4. You can see the ball had more side rotation than the previous shots. In the 6th frame light hit, it looked like he moved his feet and stayed behind the ball, like all the other frames except the 4th. In the 8 frame split, he came around the ball again and may have moved his feet back. Please check out the amount of side rotation on the ball in the 4th and 8th frames vs the other frames.
Did Barnes choke, I would say no. I would say he made an adjustment based on an off shot and he did throw a couple of off shots. Plus Fagen put up a score.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 28, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
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