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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: Juggernaut on March 24, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
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Captain of his team.
Needs nine to tie, ten to win.
What does he do?
Gets eight on his first "yank" of the day.
Loses by one.
As good as he is, why does it seem this happens to him so often?
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In my opinion it's because he is in that position so often. When you're in that position that much odds are against you. It's why Walter Ray has more seconds than first and so forth and so on.
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Captain of his team.
Needs nine to tie, ten to win.
What does he do?
Gets eight on his first "yank" of the day.
Loses by one.
As good as he is, why does it seem this happens to him so often?
I think you're a dollar shy, a pound short, and 4 or 5 years too late in this analysis.
He does not do this so often, any more. Mika, who's supposed to be Barnes' equal three balls in a row high on the same lane, and you said nothing about him??
Barnes threw the first 2 in the 10th and there was no praise for that?
He was the one who put his team in the position to make the finals. How many strikes in a row did he throw? No mention of that.
I think he puts himself in the position to win and like, Earl Anthony and Walter Ray he has more 2nds than firsts, BUT he keeps putting himself in the position to win.
He deserves far more congratulations than he does condemnation.
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+1. Chris Barnes has been getting the job done on TV more often than not the past 2 years. he biggest choke I can remember is when he was whooping Michael Haugen Jr. only to blow it to lose the major. However, it's not as bad as a few years ago. After all, like charlest said, he put the team in a position to win during the 10th frame earlier.
Sean Rash on the other hand chokes on TV more as of late.
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+2 for Charlest, enough said.
I would not call any pro in that spot a choker. He bowled well enough just to get to that spot. Way better than what i could hope to do.
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Rash has choked more often than Barnes.
How many 2nd place finish last year and this year?
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Ok, let me get myself in trouble here, but honesty has to rule...
First, Barnes has 10,000 times more talent than I, so props to the man. However, aren't we missing the point of the thread?
First, what the heck does a Rash sighting have to do with anything? Yes. he chokes too, but this isn't a comparison. It's a question of Barnes' performance in the clutch.
Second, it doesn't matter what Barnes did to get there, and doesn't matter about the first two in the 10th. There comes a point when the game is on the line, and that last shot was it, not the first 2. My wife and I were both watching, and we both knew that Barnes, in that position, had a high probability to throw a bad ball in that situation for the first time of the day. He's just been his history. I knew it when I saw his face. Go back and look at his expression. It changed.
Damm, the man is great, one of the very best, but it got to him. Who in heaven's name cares what anyone else did at any other point in time? That's not the question of the thread. For the first time all day, in that most needed shot of the day, he wasn't close, and made the only really bad shot he rolled all day.
I am an amateur. I would have made the same mistake, and yes, it would have been the pressure. But so did Chris Barnes. I thought he shook the demon 2 years ago. Now, I'm not sure anymore.
The OP was right to pose the question.
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The OP was right to pose the question.
No more right than if it were Walter Ray or Earl Anthony.
I am not saying Barnes is as good as they were. I am saying he has as many 2nds, in proportion to his firsts. He choked no more often than they do. That puts him in some very good company.
If you say Barnes "chokes" too often, you must also say that Walter Ray and Earl also choked too often. But if you do that, people will question your thought process.
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Guys,
What I actually asked was " As good as he is, why does it seem this happens to him so often"?
I didn't say he was a "choker", I never said he wasn't talented, and I never claimed he shouldn't be in those positions.
He is obviously very talented. You don't achieve anything close to what he has unless you are. I just wanted to get peoples opinions as to why it seems to happen to him an inordinate amount of times? Is it just me, my perception of it, or does it really happen more than it should, and if so, WHY?
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Ok, let me get myself in trouble here, but honesty has to rule...
First, Barnes has 10,000 times more talent than I, so props to the man. However, aren't we missing the point of the thread?
First, what the heck does a Rash sighting have to do with anything? Yes. he chokes too, but this isn't a comparison. It's a question of Barnes' performance in the clutch.
Second, it doesn't matter what Barnes did to get there, and doesn't matter about the first two in the 10th. There comes a point when the game is on the line, and that last shot was it, not the first 2. My wife and I were both watching, and we both knew that Barnes, in that position, had a high probability to throw a bad ball in that situation for the first time of the day. He's just been his history. I knew it when I saw his face. Go back and look at his expression. It changed.
Damm, the man is great, one of the very best, but it got to him. Who in heaven's name cares what anyone else did at any other point in time? That's not the question of the thread. For the first time all day, in that most needed shot of the day, he wasn't close, and made the only really bad shot he rolled all day.
I am an amateur. I would have made the same mistake, and yes, it would have been the pressure. But so did Chris Barnes. I thought he shook the demon 2 years ago. Now, I'm not sure anymore.
The OP was right to pose the question.
But lets also be honest here. Does it really matter which shot in the tenth he missed? If he missed on the first pitch, someone on here would have said something. Anything less than all 3 in the tenth would have been "Here we go again. Barnes cant close the deal."
The main reason it seems to happen to him more than anyone else is because as much as we say that Barnes is the best bowler out there, when he doesnt win, someone on here is very quick to point it out and why.
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Parker threw 3 strikes, but oh he is old and a lefty. :P
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I'm not a big Barnes fan. He appears elitist, arrogant and standoffish toward his competition and I know many of his competitiors take great joy in calling him the greatest bowler in the world monday thru saturday and just above average on sunday. All that aside, the numbers are the numbers. He has more chances to lose so the perception is that he chokes more than anyone but that is not the reality. He does appear to go through stretches, like anyone, of not closing out but then he goes on stretches where he makes the clutch shot. Somebody mentioned Rash choking . That's the same guy who set the record for most consecutive tv final match wins. Streaks are streaks and everyone has them. We just see Barnes on TV so often that we remember all the failures.
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Polish nailed it on the head. We bash Barnes because we see him so many times on TV. Same with Rash, Belmo and what about Norton this year. He split back to back times to lose to Haugen. It happens, and if you ask me, I would take that position every day of the week. How soon we forget the stone eight pin he left a few years ago to lose at the US Open. Did he "choke" then?
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Want to know who chokes? The guys who never make the TV show.
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I think the OP's real question is: How hard does Barnes grip in the big moment? Not literally but figuratively...... Does Barnes feel the pressure which has a direct translation to his lack of success?
I have no idea, and I'd like to think not. Barnes likely is the only person who can truly answer......some folks relish the spotlight and the opportunity to take that shot, some grip and it has an effect.
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Barnes had a daunting challenge, and he almost beat it. Three strikes in the tenth isn't easy. He screwed that last shot up, but hey, he almost did it. Sean Rash would've done the same thing.
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Hmmmmm. Guess I missed the Clash where Barnes threw 8 or 9 in a row to get his team onto the show! C'mon now!
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Let's analysis this over and over. Barnes is one of the best. For those who can replay the show, just look at the 2 strikes. He missed his target and at the bottom of his swing. In my eyes the last shot was cleaner off his hands, where he wanted on the lane but just checked up early. We see him every year on TV. His run is coming. All the great ones had a big run of wins. Wait and see... nuff said
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If you remember Barnes talked about this very issue and said that there was a flaw and he had it fixed. I'm not really going to comment on whether I think he choked or not but everyone throws a bad shot and some at the worst of times does that mean we are all chokers?