Post by: LuckyLefty on January 05, 2010, 12:27:10 AM
No more scrunch at the foul line his fairly new long flat spot and beautiful set of fundamentals are better than ever!! Is it Mark Baker that he is working with?
I believe soon because of his tremendous ability combined with GREAT fundamentals the balance will start to tip in his favor with more wins than loses on TV. As soon as HE starts to realize the tremendous spread between himself and the rest of the bowlers!
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Post by: tonybowls on January 07, 2010, 10:07:37 AM
Post by: strikealot on January 07, 2010, 10:23:20 AM
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his fairly new long flat spot
has he said this or worked specifically on this and if so how did he achieve this...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 08, 2010, 04:08:38 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on January 09, 2010, 08:49:39 AM
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Barnes is the best. Case closed.
Really??? Have you never heard of Walter Ray, Earl Anthony, Norm Duke, or PDW. Barnes may have a load of talent but can not be called the best. Case Closed.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 09, 2010, 11:12:34 AM
Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 10, 2010, 12:37:41 PM
Not saying Duke, WRW, PDW or any of them are not GREAT, but its like you always see, certain guys excell on this pattern or that one, when Barnes can bowl lights out on all of them..
Duke and WRW kill the down n in shot
Mallot, kills well almost anything but the cheetah pattern.
And PDW I think I've seen him make the TV finals on almost everyshot they have, now.
I do think Chris' mental game is what kills him, not sure why or what is going through his head but, if he'd just stop thinking and "do" he'd probably be better off, jmo...........
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Post by: strikealot on January 10, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
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I have not heard that! I just don't see the ball being squeezed down into the foul line and saw lots of natural loft coming from a long flat spot. Which did not exit in the past.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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i know he doesnt squeeze the ball but it may appear he does...he has prob the tightest thumbhole on tour...and i understand you are not saying he squeezes the ball but i think the downward motion is need to get the ball off his thumb thus the ball going down into the lane soon...just and idea
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Post by: pate08 on January 10, 2010, 12:54:47 PM
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Post by: strikealot on January 10, 2010, 01:02:10 PM
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Barnes is the best bowler in the world. Ask any bowler on tour and they will tell you the same thing.
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Post by: SegaMan73 on January 10, 2010, 01:49:03 PM
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Barnes is the best bowler in the world. Ask any bowler on tour and they will tell you the same thing.
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It's called being humble. First we ask WRW who's better him or Earl Anthony?
He says Earl. We ask WRW who's better, him OR Barnes? He says Barnes. He's
just being nice about it. They all are being nice...WRW, PDW, Duke...If we
keep asking them enough times, they'll go from being the greatest bowlers of
all time, to bowling hacks! You can't really go by that. If they say they're
the greatest, then we call them concieted!
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 10, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: Russell on January 10, 2010, 04:13:20 PM
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imagine how many titles walter ray would have if he had barnes talent ? you've got to be kidding. you should have said imagine how many titles would barnes have if he had walter ray's ability.
+1,000
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 10, 2010, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: STBCrushEm on January 10, 2010, 08:22:13 PM
Here is his web page http://www.markbakerbowling.com/about.html
Post by: Rileybowler on January 10, 2010, 08:56:04 PM
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Post by: Bluff on January 10, 2010, 09:05:25 PM
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Barnes is the best bowler in the world. Ask any bowler on tour and they will tell you the same thing.
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He is one of the best in past 10 year? But can''t see best or not He needs to prove it.
at their time any of the top 10 pba was once the best!! Case close!!
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Post by: tonybowls on January 11, 2010, 03:46:42 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 13, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
He looks so good right now! His confidence will build from this technique change.
If Mark Baker is the one responsible....I'm impressed!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 13, 2010, 11:08:31 PM
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Barnes is said to be the most talented bowler on tour now but there is a big big difference in the most talented and the best and Walter Ray did beat him the last time they played and Barnes had a big lead.
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I back that 100%, i have no doubt Barnes is the most talented bowler out thier, because he can play ANY line and do it well... does he always win??? NOPE...
But I bet if you took a poll, and asked any PBA player who they'd least like to face on TV. It's Barnes,WRW and Duke in a close 3rd.....
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Post by: Jay on January 14, 2010, 01:06:30 AM
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Post by: soonerdallas on January 14, 2010, 01:14:30 AM
Post by: SegaMan73 on January 14, 2010, 04:05:05 AM
bad shot or missing an easy spare is Chris Barnes. I''m not one to ever call
him a choker cause he has a ton of talent and he is great, but as great as he
is, of the three, he is a little adventurous. That''s something I can''t say
about Duke or WRW. They have made bad shots, but when it happens, I am
usually surprised by it. With Barnes it "Damn, here we go again".
Hell, WRW left the big four on tv...and picked it up!
Barnes may be "more talented" but I would feel safer betting on the
other two in a pressure situation...(although i''m not a betting man)
But you really can''t go wrong with any of them, that''s for sure.
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Post by: r534me on January 14, 2010, 08:04:42 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 14, 2010, 08:27:53 PM
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imagine how many titles walter ray would have if he had barnes talent ? you've got to be kidding. you should have said imagine how many titles would barnes have if he had walter ray's ability.
+1,000
+1001. That's not to say he doesn't have skills, because he most definitely does.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 14, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: r534me on January 14, 2010, 09:26:14 PM
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Duke and Walter never had the pressure that Barnes has on him. Duke was just a action "gun" slinger from Texas and Walter was just another kid giving it a try. They both started out raw and became something special. There never was any added "bowling prodigy" pressure, or a sense that they had to achieve greatness in order to call their career a success. They were just two kids looking to make a buck bowling. They had years to achieve what was destined for them, without alot of critics.
Barnes has been groomed from day 1 to be a bowling super star, the best in the world, the best ever. All eyes are on him, every shot in his short career means something and success needs to be measured quickly if he is indeed to become great. Barnes never had the benefit of working his way into the super star arena, he was put there at day one.
Ive never really sat down and got to know Chris Barnes, but in my mind this has to play on him. There has to be some kind of mental block there, I think ever bowler gets it. Some are afforded the time to work through it and others do not. Chris started his PBA career too late, there seems to be the sense of urgency to become great. Greatness seems to be measured in numbers, statistics and unfortunately there are times when a player does not start their career early enough to reach "legendary" milestones, but they were legendary players.
He has all the skills that is needed to be the best ever, maybe not enough time to become that or chances to "fail".
Duke didnt win for 8 years after he won when he was 18, he had the time to "fail", learn, build and become great.
Chris Barnes is great, its only a matter of enough time.
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Didn''t guys like Barnes, Healy, Smith, etc. became Pros because the Megabuck tournaments banned them? Anyway, I thought that was part of the reason they became pros.
"After all, the current PBA roster is heavily stacked with former amateurs megabuck players like Patrick Allen, Brad Angelo, DJ Archer, Chris Barnes, Michael Fagan, Paul Fleming, Patrick Healey Jr., Brian Kretzer, Mike Machuga, Jason Queen, Robert Smith and Lonnie Waliczek. A majority of the aforementioned bowlers joined the PBA because they wore out their welcome in megabucks tournaments."
http://www.bowlingdigital.de/bowl/node/205
I don''t know if CB thrives to be greatest or whatever. I do think he does this to earn a living as one of the best in the game and that''s just the pragmatic side of me thinking aloud.
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Post by: APheLion on January 14, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
however, if u give them a chance for tv final, most of them will take a chance, since its one game only
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 14, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
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Duke hooked the ball in the 80's and early 90's and won the POY in 1994 season hooking it.
Duke has more skill than Barnes will ever have.
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Ok stop there. Norm Duke was not that great in the 1980's and while was always a very good bowler and teacher of the game since when he was 18 it wasn't until 1994 he broke out.
Chris Barnes was been a terrific, consistent bowler since his rookie year in 1998 which I remind you that he won and has never until this day had a bad season. Despite his titles, 2 majors and of course the infamous chances on television he may have won it has been his consistency for over 10+ years dominating in qualifying and being a terrific match play bowler. That in itself makes him in the same conversation as Norm Duke and if Barnes quit today he is in the hall of fame no matter what the stupid 10+ titles rule is which is lame considering Bryan Global got in. Chris Barnes is one of if not the best bowler of the 00's decade next to Williams and Tommy Jones and Norm Duke and no one can dispute it. He has one of the best games that this sport has ever seen too.
Post by: r534me on January 14, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
Post by: APheLion on January 14, 2010, 10:09:44 PM
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Is Healy still coaching overseas? I thought Malyasia but I am not sure. Purvis Granger was a tour player that became a coach somewhere in the far east. I've never coached and I couldn't teach a fifth grader how to spell but it would seem that there is great personal satisfaction helping others achieve their best.
i thought he was in the middle east and not malaysia
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: r534me on January 14, 2010, 10:31:53 PM
The USBC Nats is still available for the proams to score some dollars on brackets. I remember adam apo was in my squad last year in team and he nearly won 2k bowling a mid 600.
Post by: r534me on January 14, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
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Is Healy still coaching overseas? I thought Malyasia but I am not sure. Purvis Granger was a tour player that became a coach somewhere in the far east. I''ve never coached and I couldn''t teach a fifth grader how to spell but it would seem that there is great personal satisfaction helping others achieve their best.
i thought he was in the middle east and not malaysia
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Ah, you''re right..maybe it was Dubai?
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Post by: makpa on January 15, 2010, 12:22:12 AM
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 15, 2010, 01:06:31 AM
These guys were all great bowlers at an early age. Duke beating Earl Anthony at 18 years old on tv would probably have some pressure to go on and be great after that. Amleto Monacelli coming to the U.S. and bowling at 16 or 18 had a lot of pressure. Everybody has a story and a lot more to prove. Greatness in any sport is a dime a dozen and liter the roads traveled to being the best.
Bowling in college and traveling the world as a kid not trying to make a living and provide for himself or others isn''t pressure.
Trying something like that as a pro where if you fail you go home and get a normal job, or if you win you go home back to your other job is a lot more pressure. Trying to get enough money to keep bowling from friends, family, local sponsors or from working over is pressure.
Having things provided for you and going to college isn''t pressure. That is a normal experience for most athletes. Worst thing to happen is you get a degree and a regular job. I''m sure he has great supportive parents and all of that other good stuff. There may have been hardships but who knows.
He wasn''t baring the weight of bowling growing up.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on January 15, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
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People on this web site have no idea, and have lost a serious sense of reality. This is the arm chair quarter back club here. Watch a few you tube movies, bowl in a mixed drinkers league and all of a sudden they are the expert.
The lunatics have taken over this asylum.
There is just something there with the guy, a sense of urgency, drama and you get the feeling of this quest for greatness just by being there around him.
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Edited on 1/15/2010 7:48 AM
That may be your impression because he is your idol/hero. But most people I know think from watching him on tv he comes off as a jerk. I know people that know him and that obviously isn't the case. On tv he comes off as arrogant and most people don't care for that.
"There is just something there with the guy, a sense of urgency, drama and you get the feeling of this quest for greatness just by being there around him."
That is borderline crazy obsessive and embarrassing. You obviously didn't make it too far from this asylum you speak of. I wouldn't bring that up with other people, or Barnes if you ever meet him....or ever really.
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Post by: RichH on January 15, 2010, 03:07:34 PM
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Post by: kidlost2000 on January 15, 2010, 03:21:36 PM
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kidlost, another tough guy clown who thinks he is this big man. I never knew the internet was a tough guy convention. Dont like whats said, just question the guys man hood, call him names, challenge him to a fight, etc.
Not my hero, I think he is a big baby at times, and that gets in the way at times.
I can judge talent, and the persona that comes with that talent. Alot of players do not have the attitude, the aura and the general mental mind set of a player thats groomed for greatness.
I've spent enough time in this sport to understand the personalities and the game from a level that none of the arm chair qbs would ever understand.
Do you bowl anything other than your huckleberry bowling center league? If you would take the time and get out of your bubble, you would understand and witness the differences from good, to greatness in the professional ranks. You will identify with the urgency that some of these players have, the general attitudes of different types of players. The mental drama that plays out week to week.
You will never fully understand the life of professional bowling, or any professional sport until your there to take it all in.
"That is borderline crazy obsessive and embarrassing. You obviously didnt make it too far from this asylum you speak of. I wouldn't bring that up with other people, or Barnes if you ever meet him....or ever really." - KidLost
Many people have a persona thats is noticeable. Donald Trump, Phil Helmuth, Chris Barnes..etc. People notice the persona and identify it with being different from others. There seems to be a larger picture at the end of their to do list. Identifying with those personalities has nothing to do with a "man crush", obsession etc, it has to do with the analysis of what makes these type of people more successful than others, and how do you create the same type of persona to take your game to the next level. If its not something your born with, you have to manufacture it some how.
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Do you read before you type. I only said that Chris Barnes isn't the GREATEST player on tour and he doesn't carry some burden of greatness as previously mentioned. I made reference to other players who are on tour that probably had much more on the line for bowling then Chris Barnes. Go read that first before you start calling me some hack from hick town A,B,or C. Chris Barnes is a no doubt HOF bowler easy.
I also didn't say anything bad about Chris Barnes. So go back a few and read again and find where I did say something bad about Barnes as a bowler, or tour player or having talent. I said I know people who bowled with him and said he is a nice guy. Only that he comes across as a jerk on tv. (not my opinion but many others.) To me he seems too nice, fake. But that might be him, a nice guy, and thats not his fault.
Obviously Barnes is this guys hero which is fine but some of what this guy is saying about Barnes is a bit crazy. Which he brought up because he said the crazies are now running the asylum. So before you call me some bully for no reason go back and read what was actually written and post some proof of your allegations of me being an internet tough guy. I'll wait.
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Post by: hammermark on January 15, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
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Post by: kidlost2000 on January 15, 2010, 04:43:49 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 15, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: r534me on January 15, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
Post by: Bluff on January 16, 2010, 12:50:28 PM
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Actually Pat Healy is coaching in UAE.
Rich Huzina
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Doing Much better than bowling for the poor ( PBA )
making way more Money and living it
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 18, 2010, 11:54:16 AM
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 18, 2010, 11:55:19 AM
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Bluff on March 18, 2010, 10:37:38 PM
no title
got bet by a woman not a bad thing
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Post by: jls on March 19, 2010, 04:57:00 PM
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wow your so right lefty lol CB is awesome this year
no title
got bet by a woman not a bad thing
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Now that's some funny, BUT TRUE, shxxxit...
Seriously, he got beat by a woman??? <<< Was it in all the papers...
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on March 20, 2010, 04:33:15 PM