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TWOHAND834

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Chris Barnes
« on: January 25, 2004, 01:28:17 AM »
Fellow BR Members:

I love to watch Chris Barnes bowl.  He is smooth and very intense.  But, is it me, or does it seem as though he has a very hard time getting through a game without leaving a big split?  Everytime I watch him on tv, he seems to get into a groove, like today.  When out of nowhere, 3 board tug and it is split city.  Is it just a loss of concentration?  Is it a mental block?  I wanted to scream when I saw him leave the 4-6-7 after a 4 or 5 bagger.  When he makes a show, I keep thinking that this is his time.  No splits, no opens.  It always seems to happen in the latter stages of the match, from 6th frame on.  Can anyone else elaborate on this?
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2004, 09:28:26 AM »
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Chris more freeflowing flinging style which should be a little more versatile on more conditions!  But the ball does come off his hand quicker!


Ever seen a slo-mo of Barnes' release!?!?!? It's sick!
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2004, 09:45:28 AM »
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Walter Ray was lined up .. ABSOLUTELY! CRIS BARNES was ALSO lined up .. HE CHOKED! There's no other way to describe what this God did! After that errant shot he was right back in the pocket!

Posters say that DJ choked .. DJ NEVER FOUND A SHOT HE COULD REPEAT .. DJ must have bowled great to get to the TV matches (I only saw the TV matches).. he didn't throw ONE bad shot/he NEVER FOUND A SHOT .. I applaude any bowler throwing a ball .. but I put NONE OF THEM UP AS A GOD! If he throws a bad shot it's referred to as CHOKE .. as BARNES DID!

The Original poster asks .. can anyone else elaborate on this? I put my two cents up and I'm through with you worshippers!
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Throwing a gutter in the third part of the tenth frame. That's a choke. Having a ball slip a little on you in the seventh frame is a mistake. There is a huge difference betweent the two.

Where chris dropped the ball was only about 3 boards off from his target it looked like to me. Three inches between winning and losing, that's gotta su ck. But to call it a chike, I have to disagree.
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2004, 09:48:18 AM »
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If we dont participate or have never been "there" who are we to criticize anyones performance.

It's called being a fan, Derek.  You don't have to be a professional basketball player to say "Shaq sucked last night", do you?
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2004, 02:19:35 PM »
bucs fan - I didn't see the final match yesterday, but I still have to take issue with what you said -
"only three inches off his target"
is way too much on that kind of shot. Yes, he bowled well otherwise. Yes, he got beat. Yes, he could have won if bowling against any other player.
BUT - three inches off is a HUGE mistake for that level of bowler...

I like Chris Barnes. I thought it was really cool when he gave the ball to the kid in the front row as he ran out when introduced. I think he'll definitely be a force in the next few years.

But as for the best release on tour - have any of you had a chance to see Michael Fagan??? He's pretty young - but what a release!!! I've NEVER seen one better.
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2004, 03:58:07 PM »
StormLefty .. emailed you my thoughts!
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2004, 05:26:44 PM »
Folks, for years, people thought Nicklaus was boring, or boorish, as was Hogan.  Yet, they won over the fans with pure, unbleached brilliance.  Barnes, Healey and Walter Ray are that kind of brilliant.  Anthony was that kind of pure brilliance.  People watch brilliance.  These men are pure brilliance.  If they are promoted, people will watch.

People will watch pros struggling if it is explained why they are struggling (Pederson tried some this weekend) as they watch the U.S. Open or the British Open in golf.  People will watch because they want to see the best on tough and easier conditions.  The camera work needs to emphasize how good these guys are -- how consistent in speed (put a speed gun on them), how consistent in line and placement (create a graphic that shows their lines), how many revs they are producing (compare it to an amateur).

But I can't call the brilliance I saw this weekend boring.  And D.J., well, everyone rubbernecks at auto crashes...
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2004, 03:54:47 PM »
Most of you aren't good enough to carry Chris's bowling bags much less good enough to judge what went out there on the lanes.

Choking can be defined as many things, but not one of them is what Chris did.  He never had the lead and frankly never was given the chance to.  Missing your target is not choking... it's called missing your target.  If he got fast with his feet, it's not called choking... it's called getting fast with your feet.  

Which one of you critics bowled the Masters?  Which one has bowled any Tour stop?  Yes, you can post your opinion... but unless you bowled alongside Barnes, it is worthless.

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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2004, 09:57:49 PM »
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Most of you aren't good enough to carry Chris's bowling bags much less good enough to judge what went out there on the lanes.

Choking can be defined as many things, but not one of them is what Chris did. He never had the lead and frankly never was given the chance to. Missing your target is not choking... it's called missing your target. If he got fast with his feet, it's not called choking... it's called getting fast with your feet.

Which one of you critics bowled the Masters? Which one has bowled any Tour stop? Yes, you can post your opinion... but unless you bowled alongside Barnes, it is worthless.

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I hate when people say you cant say anything about anyone just cause you havent bowled a pro tourney, or have any of their talent, or accomplishments. Its called being a fan, and criticism. It is a critics job to analyze a movie. But that is wrong to, since they have never made thier own movies themselves, right?
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2004, 10:24:28 PM »
JUSTIN .. That was GREAT!
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bamaster

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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2004, 10:24:40 PM »
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Its called being a fan, and criticism. It is a critics job to analyze a movie. But that is wrong to, since they have never made thier own movies themselves, right?


I didn't say you couldn't say anything, I just said it would be worthless.

A movie critic typically is someone who understands the extreme details of moviemaking and direction, they are expert opinion makers.  They are the equivalent of Randy Petersen for televised bowling.  Randy understands what's going on and he is QUALIFIED to make an opinion and as such his opinion is credible.  The posters like "soon2b AZ star" are NOT qualified to make such statements and as such their opinons are without merit and value.  Same thing holds true for the Barnes worshipers, coincidentaly.  There are tons of posters who think he's the greatest thing since light beer, but again, their opinion is ultimately worthless.

Being a fan is great... I'm one of them.  Posting opinions is also great, I do it all the time.  But my opinion on the best way to build a space station is worthless.  My opinion on building websites is more valuable since I am more than a fan, I am an expert.

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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2004, 10:39:19 PM »
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However, I operate a proshop, and I know enough about the game to make judgements and critisms about pro bowlers' styles.


Let's talk about this.  What makes you feel you know enough about the game?  I know a pro shop operator who doesn't bowl at all, never has, doesn't even care to.  I'm not trying to devalue your knowledge of putting holes in balls or even recommending a layout, but what makes you "qualified" (key word) to make a valued opinion on what goes on the lanes on Tour?

Are you a bowling sports psychologist like Dr. Dean Hinitz who understands the mental events of pressure shot making?  Are you a professional bowling coach like Team USA guru Fred Borden who can see a slight deviation in bowling form and know what the root of the problem?  What qualifies you to see a shot on television, to analyze it, and make an assessment of what it was and what caused it?

Just curious how a self-confessed young ball driller can claim his opinion is qualified.
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2004, 11:06:38 PM »
Geesh, don't get so offended.  It was a good question.

Getting mad at a quarterback for throwing an interception is not the same thing as saying the quarterback choked and threw the ball badly.  Besides, the NFL/MLB are not the same thing as bowling, completely different dynamics.

Being passionate about bowling and being a talented ball driller is cool.  But that has nothing to do with having a qualified opinion.  

qual·i·fied
with the necessary skills, qualities, or attributes to do a particular thing

What do you feel are the necessary skills and qualities to have an valued opinion about if Chris Barnes choked or not?  

I'll say first and foremost the person should have been exposed to a similar situation.  To me that means to have bowled at least in front of an audience on television.
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2004, 11:22:07 PM »
Why does the word Valid come into play suddenly ..does that mean that everyone on this forum is and EXPERT .. an opinion is JUST THAT .. VALID .. where did THAT come from?
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2004, 11:27:43 PM »
Justin .. believe it or not this OLD MAN is agreeing with you!
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Re: Chris Barnes
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2004, 11:33:30 PM »
Hmmm, I don't think I said valid.  I said qualified.  

Everyone's opinion is valid.  But not everyone's opinion is qualified, is all I'm saying.  Of course, I don't like to hear the negative talk.  That's my personal preference.  But it seems more of a bandwagon statement these days.  A person might have a different opinion if he really thought about the infinite factors that goes into real pressure shot making.  Do I know them all, not likely.  Do I understand that I wasn't the one throwing the ball and that there is no way for me to know what was going on? Yeah.

Does choking happen?  Of course.  Could he have choked?  Of course.  Am I the one that can say that it was a choke or not?  No.  But then, neither or you.

The one thing that chaps my hide about this whole thing of all the things they could say about Barney, they say something negative.  Whatever happened to finding the positive things he did all week?  

It's the issue of choice tht disappoints me the most.  The choices you make is a reflection of yourself.  It speaks volumes about a person when the only thing a person can say about a talented bowler like Barney is that he is a choke artist.  

I personally challenge you to look through better eyes than that.

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