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smash8-10split

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anyone else notice this?
« on: January 07, 2007, 05:59:41 AM »
that PA's ball was an x out?
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bowlingmaniac017

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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2007, 08:55:30 AM »
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Did it look like PA switched to a different AO about half way into the last game?


That's what they said on the show...
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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2007, 04:37:40 PM »
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It said X-Out below the C.G.  PA uses that drill alot int he One series.  The pin is 5" above the midline and approximately 5" from the PAP.  The MB is placed 1 1/2 inches below the midline.  It gives a more forward motion out of the backend.  Tommy Jones uses this layout alot too with the stronger assymetricals.  It enables the PBA releases to be able to control these monsters off of the spot.  Us league bowlers need all the help we can get from the core, these guys can generate the motion we crave effortlessly.
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If there using these layouts to control the stronger asymmetrical balls then why not just use symmetrical equipment?

I would think this type of layout is to have the ball skate thru the mid lane.  Maybe i'm wrong but what other purpose would there be for a pin to be that far above the fingers?
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LuckyLefty

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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2007, 04:47:21 PM »
In a recent magazine article(I found in PreciseMatt's shop...Bowling Proprietors magazine...(I think).

Ronald Hickland had an article on 16 trick drillings he had used with staffers such as TJ and PA from last year.

It was fascinating(bright guy!).

He had a ton of pin out drillings(intentional) to create special rolls for his guys.

If you can get it!  Read it ...good stuff!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS he said without these special drills ...TO almost can only use symmetricals.
PPS one of my favorite drills puts a 4 inch pin out...way up for me...really gives me the push on a solid on a high friction house but the smoothness of solid instead of jump of pearl at the back.
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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2007, 09:56:58 PM »
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It said X-Out below the C.G.  PA uses that drill alot int he One series.  The pin is 5" above the midline and approximately 5" from the PAP.  The MB is placed 1 1/2 inches below the midline.  It gives a more forward motion out of the backend.  Tommy Jones uses this layout alot too with the stronger assymetricals.  It enables the PBA releases to be able to control these monsters off of the spot.  Us league bowlers need all the help we can get from the core, these guys can generate the motion we crave effortlessly.
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If there using these layouts to control the stronger asymmetrical balls then why not just use symmetrical equipment?

I would think this type of layout is to have the ball skate thru the mid lane.  Maybe i'm wrong but what other purpose would there be for a pin to be that far above the fingers?
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I think you're reading a bit too much into it.  Coverstock still makes up a majority of reaction.  Especially on tougher patterns.  If you don't have the right coverstock matchup, you're dead meat out there.  Prime example are Track covers(in PA's hands) vs. Ebonite covers(in PA's hands).  The GB series of covers is a goldmine for Ebonite on tour conditions.  The fact that they do not bring this super strong reading cover down to their symmetrical balls(yes they have the RXS300 and SR300 but the R.G.s are way too high to read all of the oil in the midlane), makes players and drillers find a drilling where a player will be able to use his favorite coverstock on any of the 5 PBA patterns.  

Bill O'Neill is a good friend of mine and we were chatting the week before he went out to Reno about coverstocks and cover matchups.  He uses almost exclusively the Action series on every condition(with a Wrath or two sprinkled in there) as M80's coverstock is a great natural matchup to his type of roll.  Also when he gets dialed into his A-Game which is throwing it firm, the M80 is strong enough to read the ton of oil in the midlane even at his high speed, yet it's strong enough and smooth enough to control off the breakpoint.

On softer conditions we don't always see the big difference in assymetrical/symmetrical and coverstocks and their characteristics because the lane pattern controls the motion of our balls.  On tougher conditions, you need every advantage possible to match up, especially in your ball selection.
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UpTheLeftGutta

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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2007, 12:34:13 PM »
You can find a picture of a Tommy Jones X-out One on brunswickinsiders website. It was last year, assuming Us Open? I do remember an X-out One....crazy cg and mass locations (assuming mispunched)
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Re: anyone else notice this?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2007, 01:45:36 PM »
PA used X-out ball


http://www.proshoptraining.com/Our%20Ball%20Reviews.htm

Angular One Review
http://www.proshoptraining.com/Jeff.Angular%20One-2.htm

Pin to PAP Distance: 5 1/2"

Preferred Spin Axis to PAP Distance: 5"

Degree Layout Conversion: 70 degrees

Balance Hole: None

Surface Preparation: Box Condition

 

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

Drilling this ball was really more about furthering my personal education and learning the ins and outs of this bowling ball layout. This layout was popular by Tommy Jones in the last PBA season with The One.
 


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