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Stickythumbhole

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Crappy spare shooting
« on: November 22, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »
Wow. Spare shooting today was among the worst I've ever seen on a telecast. Amleto's missed 10 pin can certainly be forgiven, but the rest was just horrible. Rash's 6 out was one of the worst spare shots I've ever seen thrown on TV.
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Rileybowler

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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 05:11:59 PM »
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So what I am reading here is, and correct me if I am wrong, that some of you are upset that these bowlers showed they are human, made mistakes, and had to grind for the title.

Some say horrible bowling, I say great to see a fight for the title.

I personally enjoyed watching Bill win his match on t.v. yesterday more than I did watching him shoot 300 live in person against John Nolen to win the Surfside Beach Regional yesterday..which was on Chameleon as well. albeit different surface and a regional version of the pattern
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I guess what we are saying is we expected professional bowlers to be able to make simple spares and be able to adjust to the conditions be it a ball change or moving or any number of other things. When a person comes on this site and complains about the very things we saw on tv yesterday someone always comes on and post you can't stand in same place or change balls or something else. Walter Ray didn't quite make the cut but you can bet your house that he could have found the pocket and I'd just bet while he was watching he sure wished he could have been on the show
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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 05:40:16 PM »
personally i like seeing the lower in balls on tv sometimes. the freeze may be the best ball ever made at the price it is being sold at. and is great ball for your typical house shot which is what alot of people who watch bowling do is just bowl league. alot of places you cant even throw a virtual gravity it's nice seeing stuff that is actually needed and seeing what the pros do when they get dry and how they still have weak balls drilled. and as for the missed spares, more so russell. these guys have a system they have used for years. and the common factor was missing them left, which just shows the amount of friction there was. the 4-7 was a little iffy but the ten looked made at 40 feet. granted it's not an excuse for a bowler on tv. but you don't really think about adjusting your mark ever to shoot a ten pin imo.
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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 06:51:12 PM »
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The conditions sure didn't bother the women at all and I believe bother of them were clean.


Last time i checked all but one of CDB's strikes were straight down the nose or brooklyn..........
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Agreed. Dorin-Ballard is usually a great tv bowler but I felt she was just playing the lanes wrong with the release she was using plus trying to switch balls. By the time she moved to the right it was too late. Was never really lined up.
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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 07:45:45 PM »
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These guys are pros they should know how to handle a tough surface, they should know how to handle tougher patterns. I didnt see one bowler ball down to a entry level ball, like a Groove or Scout. The only guy that bothered to go right INTO the oil was O'neil.


Both O'Neill and Russell were using Hammer Razyrs, which is the lowest you can go in their line without going to a urethane Red Hammer. Rash ended up with an Av Slide, which is pretty darn weak. Russell did use a Columbia Freeze on one of the lanes in the final, but was intentionally rolling it out so it at times hit like a sponge. Anything reactive would have flown on that pattern and lane surface with the hand those guys had.
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BrianCRX90

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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2009, 09:10:16 PM »
I couldn't believe what Russell said...twice. He said "it's plastic it can't hook that much!". Well, pro or not dude if you whip it with your wrist like that then yes it can hook a bit on some conditions. Watch pros that use plastic balls like Walter Ray, Tommy Jones and Chris Barnes they are not using their strike ball release at corner pins. Then there is some talented players like Brian Voss and Norm Duke that don't need a plastic ball and can alter their release with their strike ball. Like power players back in the 70's like Mark Roth and Marshall Holman couldn't hook a plastic ball. A lesson that even league bowlers can't understand. They get plastic balls to shoot corner pins and whatever else and the ball hooks 5 boards because they use their normal cranker release. Well duh!

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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2009, 11:17:39 PM »
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These guys are pros they should know how to handle a tough surface, they should know how to handle tougher patterns. I didnt see one bowler ball down to a entry level ball, like a Groove or Scout. The only guy that bothered to go right INTO the oil was O'neil.


Both O'Neill and Russell were using Hammer Razyrs, which is the lowest you can go in their line without going to a urethane Red Hammer. Rash ended up with an Av Slide, which is pretty darn weak. Russell did use a Columbia Freeze on one of the lanes in the final, but was intentionally rolling it out so it at times hit like a sponge. Anything reactive would have flown on that pattern and lane surface with the hand those guys had.


Then get into the oil, I was stunned that Russel didn't go right when O'neil did. O'Neils look was pretty good
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Re: Crappy spare shooting
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 06:04:26 AM »
I personally like Russell when he pulled up missed his mark and complained about a fly that flew right in front him.  I like them bowling on worn down surfaces as it is real life bowling.  We don't always get to newer cleaner lanes.  Deal with it and guess what make your spares.  If the plastic ball was hooking so much maybe they should of just used plastic.
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