Post by: StrikesAlot on April 02, 2012, 10:18:52 AM
Dear PBA - Are you seeing this?
I watched the Dick Weber Tournament this weekend in Indy with my young son to be dismayed on Sunday by one high profile pro who shall go nameless yelling out c##ksu#ker at the foul line after a missed shot and another pro who shall also go nameless by raising his middle finger high above his head at the pins after leaving a pocket 7-10 split. Another pro after spending a number of hours in the bar on Friday before the ProAm came out to graciously help one of the female amateur bowlers in the ProAm buy holding ang wiggling her hips to show her the "correct" stance at the beginning of her approach.
All I could do is tell my young son sitting next to me that I expect to never hear or see the same things from him.
I am not saying that the pros have to be Angels, but we all know the youth of the sport is where the future of this sport is and these young kids look up to these pro bowlers as role models. I hope the PBA does not turn a blind eye to this as my son loves the sport and I want it to stay that way.
Post by: on April 02, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
Well said!
I couldn't agree more.
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Allstar Lanes
Brunswick Regional Staff
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Post by: JOE FALCO on April 02, 2012, 12:42:34 PM
I wish I had taped the show because I watched it and saw NONE of this. I'd love to go back and witness it!
Post by: Gene J Kanak on April 02, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Another year, another arsenal of bowling balls, and I'm still a standard house hack!
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Post by: DON DRAPER on April 02, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
Post by: MOTIVmags on April 02, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
I completely agree, this is not the NBA, the PBA is in trouble and should be trying to promote the Tour. When they are in the bowling alley they are in the public eye of people...NBA has recently been depicted as a bunch of thugs on ESPN, the PBA does not need this. Big difference in what you saw and extra emotion that Pete Weber had in my opinion!
Mike Magolan
MOTIV Staff Member
Post by: lsf_21 on April 02, 2012, 07:08:07 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on April 02, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Thoght it unusual that I would miss something like that .. but I do over look a lot .. perhaps too much!
Post by: kidlost2000 on April 02, 2012, 10:17:25 PM
Watch any sport, NFL, PGA, NBA ect and you will find a lot worst. Language and gestures will happen time to time by certain people at any time. That is life in any business when bad things happen. Its allowed on TV and only a few years ago it was unheard of. If it was only a few and most others were professionals Id say that is an accurate representation of our society as a whole.
"1 of 1."
Post by: DON DRAPER on April 02, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
Post by: hatehvyoil on April 03, 2012, 05:32:31 AM
This was a saturday-sunday tournamaent and an extra frame production not espn. you probably could find this in the archived section. i will watch and see if i see this.
Post by: lefty50 on April 03, 2012, 09:00:27 AM
Respectfully, why would some of you say "I'll try to find it"? If you believe the poster, acknowledge that it happened. You finding it on tape has no value other than to give this further airplay.
It's a sad statement of value in today's society and part of the PBA downfall if it's allowed to go unpunished. Isn't it time we quit saying "It's just a part of today"? and start saying "it isn't acceptable, period"? If we don't draw the line, then we deserve what we get.
I've had a few ocasions in public where I've had to tell my kids the same thing... I don't ever want to see that behavior from you. Props to the poster for drawing the line for his kids, and cons to the PBA for (I assume ) not addressing the situation. If they upheld the rules, the offenders would have known they would be busted and not tried it. This baloney of "it gives the PBA action and emotion" is a lame excuse for a lack of professionalism..
'Nuff said.
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Edited by lefty50 on 4/3/2012 at 7:06 AM
Post by: scotts33 on April 03, 2012, 09:52:44 AM
Scott
Post by: hatehvyoil on April 03, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Post by: JOE FALCO on April 03, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
If these bowlers were doing these antics and knew they were being viewed by a TV audience then I agree they should be held accountable. However if the vast audience was done without their knowledge I may change that conclusion. If someone recorded some of normal league bowling and put it on (say) Face book there might be a lot of bowlers embarrassed!
Post by: Stickythumbhole on April 03, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
Post by: sabman on April 03, 2012, 06:42:55 PM
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 03, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: JessN16 on April 04, 2012, 03:21:49 AM
Tell you what, why don't you extend the olive branch of cooperation first and publicly identify yourself instead of staying hidden behind your username? Goose, ganders and whatnot.
Jess
Post by: on April 04, 2012, 03:32:09 AM
Certainly the kids see and hear worse at Junior High, but they are hearing it from other kids their age, not "professionals" who should try at least a little bit to enhance the image of their sport (for their own benefit).
Do you see Corporate America lining up to give money to the PBA? I don't either. It's sad that these professional bowlers, who are talented way beyond us league hacks, can't make a living unless they are in the top 10 from year to year. This year so many events were taped during a short period of time in Vegas, and why? It's cheaper.
The PBA could really use some more corporate money, but right now it seems like a tough sell. And stereotypes are unfair because the whole group has to pay for the stupid antics of a few. But in a tough economy Corporate America has to be more selective where their advertising dollars go. At it's current course the PBA may just "crotch chop" it's self into oblivion. I'm not expecting perfection from any person, professional or not. Just act a little more responsible since you never really know who may be watching.
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Allstar Lanes
Brunswick Regional Staff
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 04, 2012, 08:42:45 AM
I'm not the one accusing pro bowlers of "heinous" acts, Mr Holier Than Thou.
Let's see now, man leaves a split and allegedly gives the finger to the pins. Stupid? Yep. Anything that hasn't been done in youth leagues, mixed leagues, mens leagues, and open bowling? Nope.
Same bowler allegedly yells a profanity at same split? Just as stupid? You bet. Seen before in any setting in a bowling alley? Uh-huh.
A bowler who comes out of the bar (BTW, he must be over the legal limit, right?) jokes around with a woman on the approach by aligning her hips with his hands. Anything that isn't seen at company softball games or family picnics? Again, nope. How do all you high and mighty judges know that he didn't know the woman? Did he dry hump her on the lanes? You don't know the answer to either question. Why? Because it's hearsay from some overly sensitive parent. This is the same tired old crap we hear anytime a bowler on television slips up, shows he's human, and says a profanity. The PC police come out in full force and wring their hands and wail to the heavens "whatever should we do to prevent our children from being permanently scarred by such wickedness"! Have you ever sat next to the sidelines or dugout or bench at a football, baseball, or hockey game? What do you tell your kid when he reads the lips of some coach or pro sports player in all his high definition glory on the big screen at home? IF he says, "that man said a bad word" guess what? Too late, he already knows what it means. If he doesn't say a word but kind of smiles or laughs, he already knows what it means. Get off your high horses and pull the sticks out of your ass, there's a hell of a lot more important things to educate and protect your kids from.
wrote on 4/4/2012 1:21 AM:
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: WOWZERS on April 04, 2012, 09:07:49 AM
Sunshine,
I agree with your assessment that every part of this has been done before. Heck, I have done everything listed here. I bet most of us on here has done everything listed in the OP comments. The problem is when you are a professional and have an audience that pays to see you, as a professional the person is held to a higher standard than everyone else and should not display that type of action or response. Emotions gets the best of everyone sometime and especially when you may be bowling for your next meal or your house payment. I get it, I have been there. That still does not make it right to conduct oneself as this person supposedly did.
Since I do not get Xtra Frame, I woudl like to know who supposedly did this as well.
Post by: JessN16 on April 05, 2012, 02:07:10 AM
No, but you are pretty good at using the various forums here to tell everyone else how you think they should think, act, complain, etc. And your first response when people disagree with you is ad hominem attacks.
I can't stop you from doing that, of course, but you need to realize that the kingdom of your thoughts is restricted to about 100 unique users reading the same thread over and over, so in the end it's pretty much all just a bunch of noise.
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled pontificating.
Jess
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 05, 2012, 09:22:40 AM
Put me on ignore if you can't handle diverse opinions. It's guys like you and the OP that make this site intolerable when it comes to bowling. "I hate the PBA", "They need to change what they are doing", "What the hell do they think they're doing, they changed the format. I hate it" Make up your minds instead of coming on here moaning like a woman with PMS all the time.
BTW, still waiting for that paragon of virtue that you seem to put so much faith in to actually name the PBA members who committed these affronts to humanity. Stick to reviewing Lane#1 balls, Jess.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: JessN16 on April 07, 2012, 02:45:12 AM
Hmmm....no, don't think I'll bow to your wishes and put you on ignore.
It has nothing to do with opinions being diverse or not. It has everything to do with your inferior attitude, intelligence and boorishness.
The OP can follow up his original opinion or not, it's his choice. His is a separate issue. The point I was making was that you don't run things around here. It seems like you're not ready to handle my diverse opinion of your true value, however.
You can keep firing off the ad hominem attacks if you like. They're pretty cheap. I think it only costs 1 IQ point for a box of 100.
Jess
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 07, 2012, 08:37:47 AM
Wow, Jess. Almost a complete post from you. But really, you should mention all three of the holy trinity of tactics used in posting on here by people like you. You mentioned ad hominem attacks but left out red herring and straw man. Please be more thorough from now on.
Btw, here's a little secret just for you.......I could care less if you put me on ignore or not. Do everybody a big favor. You want to continue to get smacked down on here, do it in private messages. There really is no reason to bore everybody else in this forum with your feeble attempts to come after me.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: JessN16 on April 07, 2012, 08:55:26 PM
Thanks for admitting you lost. Nothing like "take it to PMs" says it so clearly. The translation, of course, is "I really didn't count on getting it handed to me like this...please go to PMs so you'll stop embarrassing me. Please."
I'll post to you in whatever form, frequency and manner I care to, as long as I stay within the boundaries of site guidelines.
Mad yet? Tsk.
Jess
p.s.: You're never smacked me or anyone else down. All you've done is show everyone that you have tied your self-worth to an anonymous username on a bowling forum. I can think of few lots in life more pitiable than that.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 07, 2012, 11:53:25 PM
Oh my, Jess. You're a real firebrand, aren't you? "I'll post wherever I want, whenever I want, and however I want"! Whew, put your big boy pants on today, didn't you?
The tired "what's your real name" ploy? Really? Guess you're not half as clever as you think you are. Admitting I lost by not wanting to get messy here in the public forum? Pathetically desperate on your part. Lost at what, proving you're a loser nobody? I haven't even begun but then again, you'll help me out on that issue in your subsequent posts, won't you? Sure you will. No problem, Jess. I'm game if you're game. The mods will step in soon and delete the thread but I have a distinct feeling that is what you want. Like I said, stick to reviewing Lane #1 balls. That forum is the appropriate place for the tripe you dispense on here.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Edited by Sunshine n Lollipops on 4/7/2012 at 9:57 PM
Post by: JessN16 on April 08, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Aww. The poor baby can't stand not to be the king. Everyone else must dispatch themselves to other forums, other topics.
lol.
Jess
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 09, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
If that's all you got, don't bother anymore. Everybody else doesn't have to do a damn thing. Just you, Jess, just you.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: TheFreeAgent on April 09, 2012, 06:10:51 PM
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 09, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
Finally somebody else who was there and can give a different viewpoint. Uh oh, Jess. Now what? Should be good.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: JessN16 on April 11, 2012, 12:56:02 AM
Do you honestly think you can tell someone what to do, or do something yourself to make them do it?
You'll do nothing. You are absolutely powerless in this and any situation you are in thanks to your own psychosis.
However, I can and will control any conversation we have. And you'll do nothing to change that. Since you cannot resist having the last word, I know you will respond to any post I make. You think that if I read something you write, you have somehow won.
But that only works if I let you continue to lob ad hominem attacks. All I have to do is simply not read your response. Therefore, the last word read by both of us on this will be mine.
And that is the way it will be in not just this thread, but any other thread. You'll post something vapid, I'll pop up if I feel like it and comment, then leave the thread when I decide I'm done with you. Since it's been about two years since our last exchange, I've proven I can lie in wait for whatever time suits me.
You have no such ability. Your obsession with your own warped sense of self-worth and standing won't let you get away with it. I know it's already eating at you, and there's not a thing you can do about it. You can't handle not being in control.
So go ahead, post a response to this one. It won't be read. I've already said everything that needed to be said anyway. You can continue to live in your own dream world, where your audience of dozens actually means something.
Now it's over.
Jess
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 11, 2012, 08:40:30 AM
Man, you really are a cliche, aren't you? After the ad hominem, red herring, and straw man ploy, the ultimate gambit of doddering old fools on this site is the "I'm done talking, I have the power, I am getting the last word in, and I won't be responding". Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So predictable, especially from you, Jess.
Thanks for checking in and spewing you're "I have the power" nonsense. Among other things that you "know", please know that you are the king of irrelevancy. Ever wonder why nobody really missed your posts in the last six months? Now you do. Give me a shout in the non-moderated forum when your ready to put your big boy pants on and prove how witty you are. Toodles.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.