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Title: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: DukeHarding on February 17, 2008, 12:09:19 PM: or is he judged by a different standard than Chris Barnes?
He is the greatest bowler in history according to the PBA.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: RevZiLLa on February 17, 2008, 08:12:41 PM: Maybe he choked on a hambone??
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: snowgimp on February 17, 2008, 08:16:33 PM: I don't know about WRW, but if Barnes had done what PDW did in the tenth there would have been four threads about it. I enjoy Pete, and also realize when someone has 34 titles they're held to a different standard than someone who has 8...just sayin'.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: DukeHarding on February 17, 2008, 08:16:47 PM: quote:
Maybe he choked on a hambone??
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LOL!!!!

I know I choke on it...they're going overboard...I think Randy feels the same way (at times).
It's starting to detract from the intensity of the matches.

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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Rileybowler on February 17, 2008, 08:29:26 PM: I don't think you can hardly call first frame choking
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: bighook69 on February 17, 2008, 08:32:57 PM: Choke... in the first frame???? I dont think so, bad shot, missed spare. As for Pete choking, he made an adjustment after almost leaving the 4-7-9 the last time on that lane and he was even supprised it went high, choke... no... bad adjustment... yes!
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Rev_O on February 17, 2008, 08:33:47 PM: Walter is HUMAN, and he is OLD!

I would consider it to be more of an "off" day than a choke. If you compare the weeks scores to the telecast, then all 5 finalist "choked".
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: DukeHarding on February 17, 2008, 09:41:05 PM: quote:
I don't think you can hardly call first frame choking
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If it was Chris Barnes, there'd be quite a few people on here calling HIM a choke...
1st frame or not.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: NicholasE on February 17, 2008, 09:49:17 PM: I don't think WRW choked. he only missed the pocket like once the whole day and that one was his best strike! lol He was having problems with carring the 10 pin today and just couldn't get it lined up. I don't think barnes chokes either, except when he wiffed the 10pin and lost that match to haugen but most of the time he just gets bad breaks. Im sure WRW or CB actually cares though...their winnings is what over 4 million?
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: JessN16 on February 17, 2008, 10:03:31 PM: At that level, any miss of any single pin in any frame is going to fall back on the bowler, unless there was an extraordinary circumstance (i.e., shoe sticking horribly and the player hits his leg, etc.).

Williams made a critical mental error, and you could call it a choke if you like. The difference between his and Barnes' missed 10 of a couple weeks back is the scenario is different -- same thing when a kicker misses a field goal on the game' opening drive compared to missing it with 30 seconds left in the game.

My question is why is it bad to point out the obvious? Even the best gag on pressure sideways from time to time. No, I surely couldn't do any better than these guys do but deflecting criticism when it's warranted is intellectually dishonest.

Scroggins is a perfect example. He has choked out a bunch of single pins in the past but he got that bugaboo fixed this year and has two titles because of it, and deserves a ton of praise for his efforts. Just like Barnes deserved praise for playing against type on the Shark pattern and winning when everyone else was looking like us amateurs.

Jess
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: JAK2112 on February 17, 2008, 10:15:22 PM: I wouldn't call it a choke. He just wasn't at the top of his game, and was having trouble hitting his mark by a little bit and getting bad breaks. Everyone misses a pin every once in a while, the pros just miss less often, so not such a big deal should be made over Williams' 10 pin miss. Im just happy for scroggins, he has really struggled until recently.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: DukeHarding on February 17, 2008, 10:36:48 PM: quote:
I think that WR got "rattled" a bit after missing the ten pin. That was so out of charactor for him, it even surprised him. He seemed to not be able to shake it off. Kept fussing about it and other things. His normally great mental game just unraveled a bit.

I guess when you're almost perfect at single pins...like WRW is...you expect to make them, especially on TV.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: jablosa on February 18, 2008, 10:41:49 AM: Is it only me?? I know WRW is having a great year, but everytime he is on TV, I think his carries really is horrible. I really don't think he matches up well with MoRich. Now because of his skill, I think he is making it work, but if you look back at all the times he was on tv this year, he really has not carried well....Imagine if he had something different.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: justdale on February 18, 2008, 10:57:25 AM: Did anyone but me hear Dave Stone and Randy Peterson talk about WRW's new wrist protector, they were looking for excuses for WRW for not winning the tournament, more than excepting the fact that Scroggins just plain beat WRW
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: 65er on February 18, 2008, 11:25:25 AM: Maybe "Old Deadeye" has a ....Dead eye!
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Mike James on February 18, 2008, 11:38:38 AM: I would think he probably did...I mean if you were going up against the Cell you probably would of sh*t your pants!!
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: lilmike2782 on February 18, 2008, 11:42:32 AM: how come everyone on here thinks someone "chokes" when they miss a pin or throw a bad ball and the loses their match?? if someone threw a split in the 3rd frame and didn't convert, then went off the sheet and still loses, did he choke in the 3rd frame? when does it matter when they miss, they just missed. thats all. just my opinion.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on February 18, 2008, 11:48:25 AM: It's a retort for all the negative Chris Barnes stuff that was said on here before. Now whenever anyone makes a mistake there is going to be a choke thread.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Borincano on February 18, 2008, 11:54:54 AM: Walter, Pete, Joe and Chris are bowlers just like all of us. Except that they make a living out of it. They miss the same type of pins like we all do but we do it with more frequency. That is why I do not get mad if I miss a pin or spare. My life support does not depend on it. They do. Like all of us they just lost their focus on that instant because of thinking, " I have this game in my pocket and in the next game I will........oops. WTF!!!" Too much confidence in your game can destroy your focus. It happens to the best or worst of us. Talent and lady luck makes some bowlers, golfers and poker players look better then us but they are not. Scroggins was a tad better with his focus on his shots down the lane and had some good karma.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: ccrider on February 18, 2008, 11:57:08 AM: Some people perform great until they are put under excessive stress i.e. pressure. Then, they choke.

WRW did not choke. He did not play well, by his standards, but he did not choke. His failure to win was not because he could not handle the pressure. Same for PW.

On a bad day for him, (WRW) he still managed to place second.

Obviously, the lane conditions were not the same as they were earlier in the week. This fact totally shook Billy O. It took him over 6 frames to adjust.

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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: JoCo on February 18, 2008, 11:57:22 AM: When Walter missed that 10 pin. To me, the look he made was like when someone re-aggravate and old injury. Kind of like disbelief that this is happened now of all times.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: DukeHarding on February 18, 2008, 12:36:12 PM: quote:
Walter, Pete, Joe and Chris are bowlers just like all of us. Except that they make a living out of it. They miss the same type of pins like we all do but we do it with more frequency. That is why I do not get mad if I miss a pin or spare. My life support does not depend on it. They do. Like all of us they just lost their focus on that instant because of thinking, " I have this game in my pocket and in the next game I will........oops. WTF!!!" Too much confidence in your game can destroy your focus. It happens to the best or worst of us. Talent and lady luck makes some bowlers, golfers and poker players look better then us but they are not. Scroggins was a tad better with his focus on his shots down the lane and had some good karma.

Borincano,

Very true...that's why you havbe to stay in the moment when you bowl...never look back, and never look ahead.
Focus on the moment.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: Lane1Redneck on February 18, 2008, 01:08:29 PM: He didn't choke, but he did roll a bad ball. I did like when he blamed it on the ball. Could be mistaken, but I thought I heard it rolling over the finger and thumb hole as it normally dose for him..

I find it funny though, really the way that caliber of bowler will normally blame the equipment before themselves.. When I shot semi-pro in archery it was the same way, if somebody missed calculated on yardage or something, it was always the equipment fault.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: RevLefty on February 18, 2008, 01:26:41 PM: As for walter ray choking, that is a big NO. There was no choke there. Pete guessed wrong n the line adjustment and it cost him no choke there. And I am in no way a chris barnes fan but i felt for him to make that many shows he has mad talent. He didnt choke he is just overthinking and his head is getting in way. Much like what PDW said was going on with him nce yu get to a certain caliber sometimes yu start over analyzing and over thinking things and then second guessing soon as yu do that you never had a chance when you started, I am the suffer from this something bad I wish I could just tune my head out cause it gets in the way so much and to this date I havent figured out how to get past it and until I do I will struggle. So to all responses choking is all a matter of opinion and who are we to judge who is and isnt choking persay we are not out there under all that pressure we are just criticizing from our recliners on sunday. just my humble opinion.
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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: ccrider on February 18, 2008, 03:03:36 PM: We are the consuming, unpaid, and often undereducated bowling public with a right to express our opinions.

I do not think that Barnes can be compared to WRW or PW. He has not won like they have won, and thus has not proven himself like they have. I think that Barnes will, in time, if he stays healthy and is otherwised blessed to be able to bowl a long healthy career, be in the same caliber, but not now.

I do agree that it is funny that WRW blamed his ball. Reminds me of one of my teammates during Tuesday league. I don't care how bad of a shot that he throws, its always the ball, or the person that drilled the balls fault. By the way, he is no WRW.

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Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: chitown on February 19, 2008, 08:36:50 AM: Rich, I think he's judged by a different standard than Barnes. I think Barnes needs to learn how to win on TV before he can be compared to one of the best bowlers in PBA history.

WRW missed the spare in the first frame and it didn't cost him the match. Barnes missed his spare at the end of the game and it DID cost him his title!

WRW hardly ever misses single pin spares. I don't think the PBA has ever seen a better spare shooter than WRW.

The PBA says WRW is the best bowler in PBA history. I personally feel that it can go either way between Walter Ray and Earl A.

I also feel WRW is currently the best bowler in the PBA. I think he's going to win player of the year. I don't think WRW is done winning this season. I feel he's going to win another title before seasons end.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: CHawk15 on February 19, 2008, 10:47:22 AM: It definitely was a mistake that ultimately cost him the match, but it wasn't a choke.
Title: Re: Did WRW Choke?
Post by: BowlingWolf on February 19, 2008, 10:58:03 AM: quote:
It definitely was a mistake that ultimately cost him the match, but it wasn't a choke.

I'm not so sure the outcome would've been any different, being that Walter essentially lost a maximum of eleven sticks by missing the 10 pin in the first frame, and he ended up 23 pins short of Scroggins' game at the end (214 to 191).

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