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gripnrip

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DUKE<straighter is greater>
« on: February 08, 2009, 04:49:44 AM »
Norm Duke proves once again he is one of the
most versitile bowlers on the tour.
He was locked in from start to finish,playing
in virgin territory.
How he made that shot look so easy is why he is
so good.
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 05:56:38 PM »
Kyle,

If I might, I'd love to just see them oil the outside AT ALL!

A flatter pattern would look like a reverse block to 99% of the bowlers. I wouldn't even ask for that much. I'd say what they term 8 - 10 "units" of any oil at all would have most fluffers and most crankers screaming for the oil man's genitals. Anything, just so balls don't roll out at 40 feet, without having 25 mph ball speed..
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 06:28:08 PM »
I can actually use an Avalanche Slide out there, but the key is to "kill" the hand. Norm's hand at release was OPEN and so the lane was pretty much doing ALL the work for him.

It takes a little practice, total relaxation, and a pretty tame ball, but it can be done. By the way, on the dry that's a great way to allow the ball to still hit and carry. More revs and the ball can lose lots of it's punch.

Wait until you get my age. Taking some of the hand out of the ball comes second nature... And less painful the next morning!


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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 06:37:29 PM »
But, the trick is, Lane, to take the same amount of hand "out of it" every shot.
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2009, 08:19:03 PM »
charlest,

You are right! It takes practice and COMPLETE TRUST that if you put "nothing" on it, that it will make a turn to the pocket.
 
It really doesn't require revs to speak of, just a little rotation. The temptation to grab one at the bottom will almost always result in ugly stuff at the pins. Complete trust is a must when everyone around you is cranking on it.


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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2009, 09:20:36 PM »
Thanks scotts33,

I didn't know there was a term for that shot. I just literally picture the Norm Duke "no hand" shot and it happens. That is a great description.


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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2009, 09:22:17 PM »
quote:
http://books.google.com/books?id=2O5KWoE5baMC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=drag+release+bowling+John+Jowdy&source=bl&ots=84Co4ogsv4&sig=ld35qeBwu0Go44fWxeYduRlDIDA&hl=en&ei=taKPSbONBoiiNcz3wacL&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA149,M1

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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2009, 09:25:40 PM »
Jeff,

You need to get old like me. That type of shot becomes easier the older I get...


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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2009, 09:27:48 PM »
I agree with what has been said... You need to trust it when you throw your ball with less hand that it will make it back to the pocket. I love throwing my blue vibe right on the burn when everyone else is playing in the oil and coming in light while I'm annahilating the pocket playing the outside
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 09:44:27 PM »
there are many keys to playing strait, first of all oil is nice to have.  But, you CAN get the ball down the lane farther with a flatter release and MOST importantly, you can't grab the ball.  You MUST MUST have a loose grip, let the ball go and not "hit" it.  If you watch Duke, you will see exactly what I mean.  Also that darn Hyroad is something else, its sneaky how weak it can be and how much it can hook.  A nice release with nothing much on it, it goes long and doesn't do much, you hit it and it hooks.  Duke shows it, thats why he is one of the best and why we are talking about this haha.  Strait can be done on house shots, if YOU can't do it, YOU can't do it.  I went through 3 yrs where I couldn't do it any more, I worked on the release and voila I can go strait again on the same house that I was complaining about it in.   Another part we all fail to realize is the balls these days are extremely aggressive, very few will actually "want" to go down the lane.  Get a pearl, get loose and watch it happen.  Once your hand gets to the hook position though, you won't do it.  I struggle to go strait when I get tighter with my grip, if you just let it go, then it can go long and not terribly strong.

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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2009, 09:55:03 PM »
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MrNattyBoh,

I'm in central NJ. Be thankful they give you that much oil.

Around here the fluffers & speed merchants rule. If they can't dump/heave a Mega-Friction type ball out to the 5 board and have it come up dead flush, they whine, b*tch and moan to the manager en masse.
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*slow claps* Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Same garbage here. If it's not walled up to China, people cry until it is. I prefer something a little harder. The only time I have complained about the "shot" is when they went about 6 mos. without cleaning backends/pindecks.

When I complained, the manager's response: "The oil machine does that every time it goes down the lane."

Wow. Way to run a maintenence schedule.
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2009, 01:48:59 AM »
Norm is amazing. I watch him throw like he did today and I wonder how in the world he ever gets beat. That was a clinic.

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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2009, 07:31:39 AM »
The key to playing Duke's line is to not grab the ball on release.  When you grab it on release, the ball will check on the breakpoint. If you have a clean release with no grab, then you can get the ball to be more straighter and not make such a sudden movement when it encounters friction.  Another thing is the hand position.  You'll notice that Duke is not cupping the ball at any point of his swing.  He can control the amount of revolutions he puts on the ball by the way he positions the ball on his hand.
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2009, 12:22:23 PM »
i need to learn how to play straight like norm. also i find it interesting how randy and everyone always talks about how versatile norm and WRW when all you see them do is go up the crack. randy would say that they would hook it all week but as soon as they make the show its up 5. i am beginning to not believe him anymore. i guess i need to go to a tour stop and watch them. during the tournament
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Re: DUKE<straighter is greater>
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2009, 12:42:47 PM »
Very well said, KWBOWLING817 !

Norm Duke is the man and that's all there is to it.  He made the lanes look like child's play with his pure release and accuracy.  On the 15# or 16# equipment topic, I just went up to 16# because I wanted a cleaner, smoother release and my game is much better for it.  

I had the pleasure of meeting Norm Duke at the 2004 ABC Masters in Reno.  Even though he didn't bowl in that event due to an injury, it was awesome to meet a legend and now a Hall of Famer!  

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