Post by: gripnrip on February 08, 2009, 04:49:44 AM
most versitile bowlers on the tour.
He was locked in from start to finish,playing
in virgin territory.
How he made that shot look so easy is why he is
so good.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on February 08, 2009, 02:06:37 PM
Post by: lefty50 on February 08, 2009, 04:27:56 PM
A truly great example of what it's really all about.
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Post by: scotts33 on February 08, 2009, 04:58:11 PM
Until that changes I don't see anything else changing.
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Post by: SVstar34 on February 08, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on February 08, 2009, 05:06:26 PM
Straight FTW!
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 05:07:52 PM
The 5 board, where Duke played today, is a virtual out of bounds, if you have any revs.
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Post by: jbruno6 on February 08, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
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From boards 1 - 10 on the typical/average house shot, it is so dry, you're lucky to be able to start the ball around boards 8/9/10, and then you better be close to 20 mph or have 3 revs.
The 5 board, where Duke played today, is a virtual out of bounds, if you have any revs.
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Exactly....I can't see going near 5 where I am. You just can't, it sounds great, "straight is great" but if you have any hand whatsoever on a THS, straight is not great.
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 08, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
I'm in central NJ. Be thankful they give you that much oil.
Around here the fluffers & speed merchants rule. If they can't dump/heave a Mega-Friction type ball out to the 5 board and have it come up dead flush, they whine, b*tch and moan to the manager en masse.
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Post by: sdbowler on February 08, 2009, 05:34:58 PM
I will even take it a step further even though I know it would never happen. I would love to see adult leagues do the same thing. I would love to see this done and how people would adjust. Even though I hated the shot to be different I loved it just as much due to it was making me learn every night about my game and how I adjust accordingly.
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Post by: dougb on February 08, 2009, 05:55:35 PM
On the few occasions I get it out near the 5 (not by choice as Norm does, but by accident) the ball usually recovers nicely and hits the pocket at a sharper angle.
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 05:56:38 PM
If I might, I'd love to just see them oil the outside AT ALL!
A flatter pattern would look like a reverse block to 99% of the bowlers. I wouldn't even ask for that much. I'd say what they term 8 - 10 "units" of any oil at all would have most fluffers and most crankers screaming for the oil man's genitals. Anything, just so balls don't roll out at 40 feet, without having 25 mph ball speed..
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Post by: on February 08, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
It takes a little practice, total relaxation, and a pretty tame ball, but it can be done. By the way, on the dry that's a great way to allow the ball to still hit and carry. More revs and the ball can lose lots of it's punch.
Wait until you get my age. Taking some of the hand out of the ball comes second nature... And less painful the next morning!
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
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Post by: on February 08, 2009, 08:19:03 PM
You are right! It takes practice and COMPLETE TRUST that if you put "nothing" on it, that it will make a turn to the pocket.
It really doesn't require revs to speak of, just a little rotation. The temptation to grab one at the bottom will almost always result in ugly stuff at the pins. Complete trust is a must when everyone around you is cranking on it.
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Post by: scotts33 on February 08, 2009, 08:28:44 PM
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Post by: on February 08, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
I didn't know there was a term for that shot. I just literally picture the Norm Duke "no hand" shot and it happens. That is a great description.
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Post by: charlest on February 08, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
quote:
http://books.google.com/books?id=2O5KWoE5baMC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=drag+release+bowling+John+Jowdy&source=bl&ots=84Co4ogsv4&sig=ld35qeBwu0Go44fWxeYduRlDIDA&hl=en&ei=taKPSbONBoiiNcz3wacL&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA149,M1
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Post by: on February 08, 2009, 09:25:40 PM
You need to get old like me. That type of shot becomes easier the older I get...
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Post by: SVstar34 on February 08, 2009, 09:27:48 PM
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Post by: crankncrash on February 08, 2009, 09:44:27 PM
Post by: rockerbowler18 on February 08, 2009, 09:55:03 PM
quote:
MrNattyBoh,
I'm in central NJ. Be thankful they give you that much oil.
Around here the fluffers & speed merchants rule. If they can't dump/heave a Mega-Friction type ball out to the 5 board and have it come up dead flush, they whine, b*tch and moan to the manager en masse.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
*slow claps* Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Same garbage here. If it's not walled up to China, people cry until it is. I prefer something a little harder. The only time I have complained about the "shot" is when they went about 6 mos. without cleaning backends/pindecks.
When I complained, the manager's response: "The oil machine does that every time it goes down the lane."
Wow. Way to run a maintenence schedule.
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Post by: JessN16 on February 09, 2009, 01:48:59 AM
Jess
Post by: dpunky on February 09, 2009, 07:31:39 AM
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Post by: Zef Olantar on February 09, 2009, 12:42:47 PM
Norm Duke is the man and that's all there is to it. He made the lanes look like child's play with his pure release and accuracy. On the 15# or 16# equipment topic, I just went up to 16# because I wanted a cleaner, smoother release and my game is much better for it.
I had the pleasure of meeting Norm Duke at the 2004 ABC Masters in Reno. Even though he didn't bowl in that event due to an injury, it was awesome to meet a legend and now a Hall of Famer!
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Post by: Dan Belcher on February 09, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
quote:You could also sign up for the Xtram Frame deal on the PBA's site and watch Friday night's matchplay. This week, for example, you would have seen WRW move in and start hooking it before most people. Alternatively, Fagan tried hooking it from 20 out to 8 in the first match on fresh oil and shot a 148 or so, but then moved halfway through the second match and piped it straight up the 5 board and started shooting big numbers.
i need to learn how to play straight like norm. also i find it interesting how randy and everyone always talks about how versatile norm and WRW when all you see them do is go up the crack. randy would say that they would hook it all week but as soon as they make the show its up 5. i am beginning to not believe him anymore. i guess i need to go to a tour stop and watch them. during the tournament
And randomly, here's a video (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_YWf2iMI4g") of Duke moving from outside to inside on TV, and winning. Check out 2:15 into it where they compare his outside game and his inside game. Very cool.
Post by: ccrider on February 09, 2009, 02:23:08 PM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on February 09, 2009, 05:53:50 PM
With that said, I think if Fagan made a professional adjustment in the title match he may have won. I don't like the chances of a high rev bowler lofting it in the air and having to make big moves every frame. Though I've seen T.Jones and Smith win titles this way I've also seen players like Robert Smith loose title matches bowling like this.
However, if it works, then you can put fear in your opponent that may not be able to do that. Just like yesterday you know Fagan was feeling the heat when he knew he couldn't adjust quick enough and he does not have the talent to do what Norm Duke was doing and he knew he was in big trouble after 4 frames. If it was the opposite and Duke had little accuracy and a bad ball reaction playing straight along with bad carry and you see Fagan carrying the world with a big hook, loft and pins dancing everywhere then Duke would realize he couldn't win. But that didn't happen.
If I could do what Fagan did yesterday and what Norm did yesterday I would, but most of us cannot because we cannot mimic a professional touring bowler.
Post by: DP3 on February 09, 2009, 09:13:23 PM
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Post by: Oskuposer on February 09, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
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Post by: iowalefty on February 10, 2009, 08:58:04 AM
at my house i can play a few different lines but the most forgiving line for me is 7 board at the arrows to 4 at the break point, using my vapor zone, with little side rotation. most times i have either a board hold or a board outside to play with there. i can go 15 out to 5 with my el nino 2000 (with alot more hand) but i find less room for error.
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isnt that all lefties lol
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