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chipmunkbowler

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whats wrong with the pba?
« on: July 06, 2009, 05:45:19 PM »
they have changed the patterns AGAIN.
the plastic ball championship is now being bowled on the new shark 43 feet kinda like a reverse block. the scorpion is now the 'slickest' pattern

what are they trying to do they need to face it these guys are the best and they can find the right angle on almost and lane condition

 

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2009, 03:54:39 PM »
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my point is that they are changing them too often trying to face them with a challenge but these guys still score high and making the guys use plastic on shark is just too far i believe


Using plastic on a pattern like the Shark will do a better job of illustrating how weak plastic really is and how accurate you need to be with it to score well.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2009, 04:04:37 PM »
I believe the 2009/2010 patterns as presented on the PBA site are 1 foot shorter on every pattern than for the 2008/2009 patterns.  Not sure about volumes.  Need to wait for USBC, Kegel, or Brunswick to put up the machine settings before you can find any useful information about oil volumes and spread.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2009, 04:56:50 PM »
The PBA has always tweaked the shots from year to year.

Since they named and publish the patterns it is more obvious than before.

They also tweak the patterns week to week to try make up for differences in lane surfaces.

It is one of the reasons why certain styles might dominate for a year and then many of those bowlers disappear the next year. Tweaks in the pattern can mean a small difference in carry percentage for a style and it doesn't take much to take you out of a show.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2009, 09:52:47 PM »
the oil patterns the pba uses are the least of their problems..............

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2009, 11:25:38 PM »
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It was definitely time to change the Scorpion...Wes Mallott would probably win every tournament that laid down that pattern.  

Edited on 7/7/2009 8:37 AM


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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2009, 01:35:12 AM »
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my point is that they are changing them too often trying to face them with a challenge but these guys still score high and making the guys use plastic on shark is just too far i believe


well remember that the pattern will be a much lower volume Shark pattern than they are going to be using regularly.  I am guessing the pattern will play similar to the 50 foot Tournament of Champions pattern with reactive equipment.  The pros will most likely try to burn a spot up and utilize hook in the front of the lane as opposed to the back of the lane, unlike every other oil pattern they bowl on.  This will result in a hook/set reaction, which really forces the player to keep the ball online and keep their speed and rotation consistent.  This will be especially true because of the very low volume they are most likely going to use to accommodate the plastic equipment.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2009, 09:21:00 AM »
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Unless you are a member, it is none of your business.  It is a privately owned
entity and as such, they can do whatever they want for whatever reason they
want.


This could be the most ignorant response in the history of this board.  They do have to keep their fans in mind, because like every other sport, without fans, there is no sport.

A few years ago basketball changed the ball, they didn't say, we don't need to explain the reason, they put out a press release explaining why.

The PBA is doing it to try to challenge the bowlers.  They tweak the patterns every year even during the year to try to keep up.
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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2009, 08:44:03 PM »
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Unless you are a member, it is none of your business.  It is a privately owned
entity and as such, they can do whatever they want for whatever reason they
want.



Lol, what a moron. So let's get rid of the fans since members only have an opinion.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2009, 11:22:52 AM »
As long as bowlers are allowed to use roughed up (60-120 grit) balls in practice that they don't intend to use in the match it won't make much difference how they change the patterns. The bowlers will make their own track or break area friction.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2009, 11:28:23 AM »
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As long as bowlers are allowed to use roughed up (60-120 grit) balls in practice that they don't intend to use in the match it won't make much difference how they change the patterns. The bowlers will make their own track or break area friction.


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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2009, 02:37:44 PM »
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As long as bowlers are allowed to use roughed up (60-120 grit) balls in practice that they don't intend to use in the match it won't make much difference how they change the patterns. The bowlers will make their own track or break area friction.


There is a point here. Cut down the practice time or limit practice to a specific type of ball (Plastic only) then you would see a whole different game.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2009, 08:06:37 PM »
ehh...I don't like the idea of making the bowlers "have" to use only one ball of choice for practice but you may be one to something when it comes to perhaps only using 1 ball during play though I would think every member would hate it. Some that are dependent on making a spare with only a "somewhat straighter" release with a plastic ball like Ryan Shafer would be screwed.

What could work is they get no practice on the tv pair and limit the player to only allowed to use 1 ball in game play. If they win a match, they are allowed to switch balls. They can practice all they want to the side of the tv pair setting which they do anyways. One problem, aside from potential scores dropping 20 some pins from normal is what if the ball doesn't feel right, gets damaged, thumb slug flies out. Of course these things would rarely happen. Then on the telecast all your going to hear from Randy Pedersen is how good or bad of a ball choice the bowler made. If you think your hearing it now, then that is all you would hear.

I have no problem with the way it is right now. My argument for the PBA is instead of just worrying about the lane conditions, why not go back to the idea of using heavier, colored pins and perhaps even a different shape of pins. This way it visibly shows the viewer that the professionals are using different pins then what open play and league bowlers are using. Also, not just use them for the telecast but use them for the entire tournament. Force the players to have to get flush and the great shot making would return and the high nose shots and light mixed shots would be harder to come by. You can try to sell lane conditions all you want but the fact is we can't see a lane condition. It's not like golf where you can add a sand trap here, move the tee back, move the hole to a harder part of the green...

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2009, 08:37:35 PM »
I have an idea...since these are the pro...you know, the best bowlers that exist, why not cut the amount of practice they get on the TV pair to say 10 minutes like we peons get for league?

Do they really need 30 minuytes of practice? Or are those 30 minutes just a way to burn the pattern down to the poinbt that they can CONSISTENTLY hit the shot and not look silly from time to time?
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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2009, 11:17:55 AM »
J_Mac
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"Using plastic on a pattern like the Shark will do a better job of illustrating how weak plastic really is and how accurate you need to be with it to score well."

I also think it will show that as well however I am not sure John Q. Public will understand that the PBA was trying to get the Pros to bowl worse - this was also my concern at the Six Flags event which did not highlight how "good" the Pros are.

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Re: whats wrong with the pba?
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2009, 11:30:46 AM »
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Do they really need 30 minuytes of practice? Or are those 30 minutes just a way to burn the pattern down to the poinbt that they can CONSISTENTLY hit the shot and not look silly from time to time?


Exactly. With todays equipment, you can change a pattern real easy in 30 minutes.

 When Randy (or whoever) goes into explaining the Pattern he should also add what the players have been doing in practice. Not just mention it in passing but show exactly what these guys are doing. Showing they used a high grit ball to remove oil or plastic to push oil (What line they are throwing). What the bowler is trying achieve in this approach.

Its a vital part the game....don't keep the fans in the dark (PBA has done that enough already).

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