Post by: Let It Bleed on June 16, 2009, 10:27:03 AM
http://www.pba.com/news/feature.asp?ID=1379
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Post by: dpunky on June 17, 2009, 08:59:15 AM
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Post by: JessN16 on June 17, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
They've been looking for a way to get Voss back out there ever since he fell out of the rankings. They might as well have called this one the "Golden Voss" exemption from the start.
Jess
Post by: Mvpbowler on June 17, 2009, 01:44:31 PM
Brian Voss I can understand somewhat
Amleto wouldn't of been a top 10 choice of mine, but ok
BUT... Tae-Hwa Jeong.. REALLY?!?! I am sure he is excitement just waiting to happen!!
Way to go PBA, way to pass up on so much young raw talent!
Dominick Barrett
Remy Ong
Martin Larsen
Ryan Lalisang
Khaled Al-Dubyyan
Paul Moor
Mads Sandbakken
Wu Siu Hong
I am not sure which of these bowlers applied, but I know some of them did.. All of them fairly young players that would bring alot to the table! I guess all the PBA cares about now is Golden Child Voss.
I will vote for the 2 handers to wreck the tour this year!!
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Post by: We are all going to die on June 17, 2009, 08:53:44 PM
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PBA Struck out on this one yet again.. Not a surprise though. Had a chance to bring some real exciting youth onto the tour and didn't pull the trigger. Let the US people show what the rest of the worlds bowlers have to offer.
Brian Voss I can understand somewhat
Amleto wouldn't of been a top 10 choice of mine, but ok
BUT... Tae-Hwa Jeong.. REALLY?!?! I am sure he is excitement just waiting to happen!!
Way to go PBA, way to pass up on so much young raw talent!
Dominick Barrett
Remy Ong
Martin Larsen
Ryan Lalisang
Khaled Al-Dubyyan
Paul Moor
Mads Sandbakken
Wu Siu Hong
I am not sure which of these bowlers applied, but I know some of them did.. All of them fairly young players that would bring alot to the table! I guess all the PBA cares about now is Golden Child Voss.
I will vote for the 2 handers to wreck the tour this year!!
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George Palumbo
George, I agree. If you are going to add Brian and Amletto, then Randy Pederson or Del Ballard are better choices than the Korean Players who have no connection or relevance here at all. I can understand the European players, but Japanese and Korean players who do not even speak the language? How is that post interview going to go?
Edited on 6/17/2009 8:54 PM
Post by: No Open Tenths on June 17, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
What's next? If Voss has this much pull it won't be long before they "BAN SANDED BOWLING BALLS!"
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Post by: JessN16 on June 17, 2009, 11:00:13 PM
The international thing, IMO, was probably conceived back before Belmonte made himself exempt, and then they just decided to go ahead and run with it.
If it works, it could increase the PBA's audience worldwide, similar to the way the PGA draws golfers from all across the globe. Perhaps that will increase international sponsor interest which will in turn increase the prize fund. This is reverse-engineering at work, but hey, what other choices do they have?
Jess
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 17, 2009, 11:25:18 PM
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Post by: DP3 on June 18, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 18, 2009, 01:01:40 AM
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LMAO. he said Brian Voss "can't hang anymore". Silly rabbit.
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As long as he can't wrap his mind around the fact that it's okay to carve up the shot to your advantage with a dull ball, he's at a mental disadvantage...
Post by: DP3 on June 18, 2009, 01:27:43 AM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 18, 2009, 01:54:53 AM
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Voss isn't that stupid. That was a one time fryout of a blown shot at 100k and a major title.
Then why has he tried to promote the "single ball" tour in the past?
Post by: JessN16 on June 18, 2009, 02:47:30 AM
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The PBA dropped the ball many years ago when they didn't actively promote Brian Voss to every single sponsor or advertising opportunity. Brian Voss could of easily been the Tiger Woods of bowling in the 80s, simply because the guy was good, women thought he was a good looking man and he had a very good personality.
The sport of bowling missed out but it's nice to see Brian back.
I'm not denying he shouldn't have been promoted more but bowling's Tiger Woods? Really?
Voss is a top 50 PBA pro. He is not No. 1 or No. 2 of all time, which is where Woods is going to eventually land if he's not already there.
I'm struggling to think of a good comparison for Voss in the game of golf. He's better at bowling than Sergio Garcia is at golf but that's probably the closest I can come to in terms of charisma.
Jess
Post by: DP3 on June 18, 2009, 10:26:13 AM
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Voss isn't that stupid. That was a one time fryout of a blown shot at 100k and a major title.
Then why has he tried to promote the "single ball" tour in the past?
Maybe to offer another challenge to keep the game interesting perhaps? smh.
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Post by: JessN16 on June 19, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
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He would have been the Tiger Woods of bowling simply because of his appeal to potential sponsorship deals and the money that comes from that. It has nothing to do with comparing their own achievements in the sports they chose.
With the right PR machine Voss would have been all over the place. If any of you remember the 80's he was the perfect fit for that era. Women were all over this guy, he was what the women in the 80's were looking for. The problem was that nobody outside of the bowling world knew this guy existed.
Voss was 80's sex appeal, and there wasn't a good enough PR system in place to take advantage of it.
It only takes a few players to transform a sport at the right time and the right era to get it going in the correct direction.
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I think you undersell the reason Woods is popular. Woods is not popular because of his looks. He's an average-looking guy at best.
He's popular because (a) he does impossible things with a golf ball, and (b) the fact he broke barriers as the first non-white golfer to really dominate a sport that had all kind of closet racism problems when he came along.
There are a lot of golfers more attractive and stylish than Woods, many guys on tour right now who are what "women are looking for" in a 21st Century man. But none of them are ALWAYS on TV like Woods is.
That's part of the problem with the bowling format. We get four or five guys a week, tops, and on one day of the week. Golf telecasts routinely show 40 guys over the course of four days.
But back to the marketing, I know the PBA took some heat for its heavy push of Belmonte last year, but to be honest, he's the first real potential Tiger Woods the sport has had. He plays a game with which most are not familiar, to borrow from a famous golf quote. The two-handed style, the fact he's one of the first foreign players to really have a chance to break through, and he's a decent enough looking guy that there's potential there for some real marketing. But if it wasn't for the fact that he can do things with the ball most of his peers cannot, it would mostly be moot.
There was never a time Voss could do things his peers couldn't do with a ball. He was just better at a wider range of skills than most, but his game didn't possess any kind of "wow factor."
Jess
Post by: JessN16 on June 19, 2009, 03:06:45 AM
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You simply do not understand who Brian Voss was in the 80's- early 90's and how big his following was of not only bowlers, but women of all walks of life that found him "Beefcake". You also don't understand how good this guy really was on the lanes during that time period. In the 80's there were great players, this guy was a legend on and off the lanes. Alot of people think he is pompous, full of himself etc... He has every right to be, he simply without any shadow of a doubt was a legend in the 80's+. His career body of work might not be impressive for you, but there was a time frame where the guy could of been all over the place in the marketing world.
His game didn't need a wow factor, his wow factor was how attractive women thought he was, his attitude, his personality....etc. In the 80's+ his game was wow.
Edited on 6/19/2009 1:26 AM
I'm very aware of how solid he was back then. My dad started me off watching bowling on ABC back in the 70s and I haven't missed a telecast in a decade or more. I bowl with a guy right now who used to bowl league with Voss about 30 years ago.
Here's my point about Voss' game compared to Tiger's golf game. When Tiger first got his card, John Daly was still (reasonably) sober and those two guys were considered to be the only guys who could "average 300" (the veracity of that claim notwithstanding). Plenty of guys could bomb drives, but regularly hitting 300+ on the tour back then and hitting the fairway also was pretty much unheard of.
Not only could Tiger do that, he could putt better than 99.x percent of touring pros and he also had the charisma factor and the breaking-racial-boundaries factor going for him. But what made him was not that he was a minority, it was that he came out on tour hitting regularly 20-30 yards past even the longest hitters of the day, and looking effortless in the process. And while driving distance is not the most important stat in golf, to the casual fan it is the home run stat.
Voss was never that guy. He was never the biggest hooker, the hardest thrower. He was a very accurate guy with above-average speed and revs. And if you want to be Tiger, you've got to have Tiger somewhere in your game. He didn't have that.
To put it another way, when people talk about watching old PBA shows, who's the first person that at least a plurality of people want to see? Mark Roth, because of the way he played the lanes. It's also the answer to the question of why Rudy Kasimakis drew such a huge following every time he got on TV. Those guys were freaks, in a good way, the same way Tiger is a freak. Voss is not a freak.
I don't discount he had a helluva run in the 80s, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about someone you not only wanted to look at, but wanted to watch because they were clearly doing something no one else could do. That's what separates a Tiger Woods from a Padraig Harrington, for instance.
Jess
Post by: AdrianS on June 19, 2009, 03:52:34 AM
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Time for some REAL bowling!!!
Post by: No Open Tenths on June 19, 2009, 05:24:35 PM
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LMAO. he said Brian Voss "can't hang anymore". Silly rabbit.
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Yes, I said that and explained it in the next line.
He didn't make the exempt cut line,correct?
But, he's so valuable to the tour that it doesn't matter?
My issue is with the stupid rules and that he is getting a pass even though we didn't make the cut.
Double standard in my eyes.
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Post by: kcbruns300 on June 20, 2009, 02:25:45 PM
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