Author Topic: Full 08-09 season details now up (Read 7563 times)

Dan Belcher · « **on:** August 05, 2008, 12:01:55 AM »

Figured I'd start a new thread for this since we now have the official information posted on the PBA's website

http://www.pba.com/news/feature.asp?ID=841

The mixed oil pattern tournaments, a "marathon" tournament, plastic ball tournament, house shot tournament, mixed doubles, and a televised senior event are all confirmed. I actually think this season should be a lot of fun. Really looking forward to it!

SVstar34 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:12:09 PM »

Dick Weber is the same Reverse Block pattern that it has been, for the Dick Weber Open.
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Krakken · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:34:16 PM »

Hate it hate it hate it. It is a circus. I do like the combo format of qualifying block on one pattern, then the next block on another, but then pick a pattern for the finals. This crap about left lane cheetah right lane shark? That is just silly.

They are going to lose a big part of their fan base. This after a year in which the viewer ship was up significantly without any changes.

What were they thinking?
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tenpin477 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:50:34 PM »

The mixed patterns is not a circus. The house pattern show is a circus, and I can't wait to watch it lol, The cut after 14 games will be like +800 lol.

The mixed patterns is an awesome idea. It will prove who really is the most versatile player.

BiGtYmEr300 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:54:56 PM »

I think I kinda agree with greg hoppe and krakken. I don't think this is a move in the right direction for the pba. The tournaments in the "extreme" swing of the schedule are pointless. They shouldn't even give out titles for tournaments in the "extreme" swing. I hope it wasn't created in an attempt to attract more fans because it won't. The only event that will attract a few more fans will be the celebrity doubles event with the NBA guys if it is marketed correctly but that is an event that should be held in the offseason like the team shootout at Six Flags. While I don't think that the pba should have a standard format for every tournament of the season, I do think that they shouldn't stray too far away from the traditional setup of a pba season. If they aren't careful, it could end up affecting the integrity of professional competition.
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Krakken · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:36:00 PM »

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I think I kinda agree with greg hoppe and krakken. I don't think this is a move in the right direction for the pba. The tournaments in the "extreme" swing of the schedule are pointless. They shouldn't even give out titles for tournaments in the "extreme" swing. I hope it wasn't created in an attempt to attract more fans because it won't. The only event that will attract a few more fans will be the celebrity doubles event with the NBA guys if it is marketed correctly but that is an event that should be held in the offseason like the team shootout at Six Flags. While I don't think that the pba should have a standard format for every tournament of the season, I do think that they shouldn't stray too far away from the traditional setup of a pba season. If they aren't careful, it could end up affecting the integrity of professional competition.
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AMEN to that. They are trying to make it different. All the other sports tinker with their games, but they don't overhaul it. The PBA needed tweaking, and instead they tried to make it too wild.
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JoeBowler · « **Reply #21 on:** August 06, 2008, 08:14:53 AM »

Most are gimmics. The tour is dying. The product isnt selling.

All match play is/was a joke. They already did away with the round of 64 and went to qualifying. They couldnt sell the interenet time for the matches so it failed to produce revenue.

Mixed lanes will be a bust unless they move the patterns closer together. They scores will make them look like hacks and the casual fan will not know what is going on.

These formats will hurt the rookies and favor the vets. really help the straighter players.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2008, 08:24:42 AM »

I am surprised by the people complaining about one pattern on the left lane, one pattern on the right. I remember when years quite often the left lane and right lane on the TV pair played completely different, and it made for a good TV show. It's a good challenge, but not THAT difficult. I personally love it when the left lane and right lane play very differently. The more talented AND smarter bowlers do well every time. It's not like people are going to shoot 150 on TV every game or something. They're still going to be shooting 200+ far more often than not.

Krakken · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:09:02 AM »

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I am surprised by the people complaining about one pattern on the left lane, one pattern on the right. I remember when years quite often the left lane and right lane on the TV pair played completely different, and it made for a good TV show. It's a good challenge, but not THAT difficult. I personally love it when the left lane and right lane play very differently. The more talented AND smarter bowlers do well every time. It's not like people are going to shoot 150 on TV every game or something. They're still going to be shooting 200+ far more often than not.

It used to be the same pattern that just played differently. This will be two completely different patterns. IT isn't like they will be using the same ball on each lane. They will have a Shark ball for the left lane and a Cheetah Ball for the right lane. Call me a traditionalist, but I like it the way it is.

Someone else said it, just gimmicks. The sport is dying and this was a real chance at trying to rescue it, instead, they made it into a carnival. The Plastic ball and Celebrity Doubles would make for great off-season events. Not middle of the year events.

Better idea would be to use all 6 patterns every week in the round of 64, then cut it to 4 in the round of 32, 2 in the round of 16, and one for the finals. Put put the same shot out on the pairs, different pairs will have different patterns.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:24:12 AM »

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The Plastic ball and Celebrity Doubles would make for great off-season events. Not middle of the year events.

The Celebrity Doubles actually IS being done during the off-season in a way. The show is being taped on September 20th to be aired on October 19th. Only five PBA bowlers are in it, and they are all under the Ebonite family of brands since Ebonite is sponsoring the tournament. And the proceeds from it go to charity.

I do agree the plastic ball tournament (and house shot tournament as well) should be more like exhibition matches at the beginning of the season. But I DO like the rest of the "extreme" events being regular season stops. (Eliminator, marathon, match play) They aren't as gimmicky as far as the actual bowling goes, they just use different formats for determining who bowls the next round. That's fine, I like a little variety in that regard.

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:48:57 AM »

There a a couple of the specialty shows really only 2 that are away from the norm that being the plastic and the THS. I think this has already brought a big buzz among the casual viewers that I have talked with and even some people who don't watch shows at all. This could be a big move if handled correctly. I do agree that they should look to change the way match play is done. I think it should be more of a top 8 situation vs doing match play for the top 32. Maybe do another 6 games then cut to 8 for matchplay?

icefiction · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:52:09 AM »

why not just make new patterns every week, idk why they use the same patterns over and over again
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #27 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:57:58 AM »

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why not just make new patterns every week, idk why they use the same patterns over and over again

The patterns are tweaked and tested ad naseum to make sure they are as fair as possible. They don't want to completely shut out one style of bowler or overly favor another style. (And even then some weeks the lefties have no look but then dominate the next week. Some weeks the guys who wheel the whole lane have a great look, other weeks they don't. But they're trying to make that the exception, not the rule, and make the patterns as fair as possible) You're not going to see that if the patterns are completely different each week. Plus each pattern plays differently depending on what volume of oil they use, what surface they are bowling on that week, the condition of the surface on that particular pair of lanes, the weather that day, etc. It's not like they can throw the ball the same exact way every time they're on the Viper pattern.

icefiction · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2008, 11:02:26 AM »

i completely understand that, im just sayin that i think a huge part of being the best is being as versatile as possible, everyone knows that one week someone has an advantage over the other, i just dont see a reason to limit the patterns to such a small number, im sure there are more then 5 or six patterns that they could make reasonably fair to everyone or at least try to
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2008, 11:06:43 AM »

But how much would it cost to design all those extra oil patterns? First off, you need R&D done on them, which includes paying for the man hours, equipment, etc. Is that worth the cost when the patterns probably won't even end up playing all that different? They already have the usual named patterns (which have been tweaked and updated from last season), plus the major patterns and the Dick Weber Open pattern. That's quite a lot of variety.

icefiction · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2008, 11:22:15 AM »

I'm sure kegel wouldn't mind puttin together some new patterns
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