Post by: Dan Belcher on August 05, 2008, 12:01:55 AM
http://www.pba.com/news/feature.asp?ID=841
The mixed oil pattern tournaments, a "marathon" tournament, plastic ball tournament, house shot tournament, mixed doubles, and a televised senior event are all confirmed. I actually think this season should be a lot of fun. Really looking forward to it!
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Post by: n00dlejester on August 05, 2008, 10:19:52 AM
Lane oil pattern: Newly designed pattern for this event, TBD
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Post by: n00dlejester on August 05, 2008, 10:21:02 AM
For match play and on TV, the left lane on the pair will be oiled with the Shark pattern the right lane, Cheetah.
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Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on August 05, 2008, 10:21:09 AM
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The only thing I didn't like about the Plastic Ball Tournament was it says this "TQR competed on with standard equipment rules."
From what i'm hearing, ebonite is making the plastic ball for the tournament, it will have no logos except one for the pba 50 or whatever. I'm just willing to guess they weren't thrilled to hand one of these (two actually) to everyone that is chasing the spot for it.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 05, 2008, 10:39:58 AM
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The only thing I didn't like about the Plastic Ball Tournament was it says this "TQR competed on with standard equipment rules."
From what i'm hearing, ebonite is making the plastic ball for the tournament, it will have no logos except one for the pba 50 or whatever. I'm just willing to guess they weren't thrilled to hand one of these (two actually) to everyone that is chasing the spot for it.
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That makes sense really because depending on how many people show to bowl the TQR you double your cost. Plus think about the amount these balls could be sold for in limited release.
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on August 05, 2008, 10:56:30 AM
"The balls will stay in the bowling center throughout the event players picking them up to begin play each day."
They don't think professionals would alter the bowling balls to soften them up do they? lol
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Post by: Pinbuster on August 05, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Post by: SVstar34 on August 05, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
PBA Marathon Championship: Five-man stepladder on the lane oil pattern chosen by the tournament’s leading qualifier.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on August 05, 2008, 04:07:59 PM
18 games of qualifying( three 6-game blocks )
the top 24 advance to matchplay( three 8-game blocks )
the top 5 advance to the championship round with the traditional stepladder format.
i'm glad i dropped my pba membership because it appears that this organazation is not heading in the right direction.
Post by: dechrist on August 05, 2008, 04:26:17 PM
That would have made for a really fun event (to watch)
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Post by: stpwned on August 05, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
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Post by: Krakken on August 05, 2008, 05:34:16 PM
They are going to lose a big part of their fan base. This after a year in which the viewer ship was up significantly without any changes.
What were they thinking?
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Post by: tenpin477 on August 05, 2008, 05:50:34 PM
The mixed patterns is an awesome idea. It will prove who really is the most versatile player.
Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on August 05, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
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Post by: Krakken on August 05, 2008, 06:36:00 PM
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I think I kinda agree with greg hoppe and krakken. I don't think this is a move in the right direction for the pba. The tournaments in the "extreme" swing of the schedule are pointless. They shouldn't even give out titles for tournaments in the "extreme" swing. I hope it wasn't created in an attempt to attract more fans because it won't. The only event that will attract a few more fans will be the celebrity doubles event with the NBA guys if it is marketed correctly but that is an event that should be held in the offseason like the team shootout at Six Flags. While I don't think that the pba should have a standard format for every tournament of the season, I do think that they shouldn't stray too far away from the traditional setup of a pba season. If they aren't careful, it could end up affecting the integrity of professional competition.
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AMEN to that. They are trying to make it different. All the other sports tinker with their games, but they don't overhaul it. The PBA needed tweaking, and instead they tried to make it too wild.
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Post by: JoeBowler on August 06, 2008, 08:14:53 AM
All match play is/was a joke. They already did away with the round of 64 and went to qualifying. They couldnt sell the interenet time for the matches so it failed to produce revenue.
Mixed lanes will be a bust unless they move the patterns closer together. They scores will make them look like hacks and the casual fan will not know what is going on.
These formats will hurt the rookies and favor the vets. really help the straighter players.
Post by: Dan Belcher on August 06, 2008, 08:24:42 AM
Post by: Krakken on August 06, 2008, 09:09:02 AM
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I am surprised by the people complaining about one pattern on the left lane, one pattern on the right. I remember when years quite often the left lane and right lane on the TV pair played completely different, and it made for a good TV show. It's a good challenge, but not THAT difficult. I personally love it when the left lane and right lane play very differently. The more talented AND smarter bowlers do well every time. It's not like people are going to shoot 150 on TV every game or something. They're still going to be shooting 200+ far more often than not.
It used to be the same pattern that just played differently. This will be two completely different patterns. IT isn't like they will be using the same ball on each lane. They will have a Shark ball for the left lane and a Cheetah Ball for the right lane. Call me a traditionalist, but I like it the way it is.
Someone else said it, just gimmicks. The sport is dying and this was a real chance at trying to rescue it, instead, they made it into a carnival. The Plastic ball and Celebrity Doubles would make for great off-season events. Not middle of the year events.
Better idea would be to use all 6 patterns every week in the round of 64, then cut it to 4 in the round of 32, 2 in the round of 16, and one for the finals. Put put the same shot out on the pairs, different pairs will have different patterns.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 06, 2008, 09:24:12 AM
quote:The Celebrity Doubles actually IS being done during the off-season in a way. The show is being taped on September 20th to be aired on October 19th. Only five PBA bowlers are in it, and they are all under the Ebonite family of brands since Ebonite is sponsoring the tournament. And the proceeds from it go to charity.
The Plastic ball and Celebrity Doubles would make for great off-season events. Not middle of the year events.
I do agree the plastic ball tournament (and house shot tournament as well) should be more like exhibition matches at the beginning of the season. But I DO like the rest of the "extreme" events being regular season stops. (Eliminator, marathon, match play) They aren't as gimmicky as far as the actual bowling goes, they just use different formats for determining who bowls the next round. That's fine, I like a little variety in that regard.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 06, 2008, 10:48:57 AM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 06, 2008, 10:57:58 AM
quote:The patterns are tweaked and tested ad naseum to make sure they are as fair as possible. They don't want to completely shut out one style of bowler or overly favor another style. (And even then some weeks the lefties have no look but then dominate the next week. Some weeks the guys who wheel the whole lane have a great look, other weeks they don't. But they're trying to make that the exception, not the rule, and make the patterns as fair as possible) You're not going to see that if the patterns are completely different each week. Plus each pattern plays differently depending on what volume of oil they use, what surface they are bowling on that week, the condition of the surface on that particular pair of lanes, the weather that day, etc. It's not like they can throw the ball the same exact way every time they're on the Viper pattern.
why not just make new patterns every week, idk why they use the same patterns over and over again
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Post by: CPA on August 06, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
How does this impact the PBA experience leagues? Will mixed oil patterns, on different lanes, be used? What pattern is used the weeks that multiple oil patterns are bowled on during the tournament? Will the house shot pattern from that week be used?
There are other questions, but these are a few off the top of my head.
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Post by: tenpin477 on August 06, 2008, 12:30:39 PM
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Post by: mumzie on August 06, 2008, 01:55:22 PM
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I wonder what the Earl pattern will be like.
My guess is, based on Earls record - the pattern will be wide open for the rightys, shut down for the left. Therefore, Earl wins.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 06, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
Post by: lsf_21 on August 06, 2008, 07:35:19 PM
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Can someone explain to me logically why the "plastic ball tournament" does not count towards points? I think that is kind of dumb.
im not sure either... if it counts as a title and gives a berth in the TOC it should count for points.
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Post by: APheLion on August 06, 2008, 08:40:01 PM
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It's not like they can throw the ball the same exact way every time .
i quote C.Barnes "hey walter why dont u throw the red ball of fire down the first arrow?"
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Post by: DON DRAPER on August 06, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on August 06, 2008, 09:23:15 PM
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It's not like they can throw the ball the same exact way every time .
i quote C.Barnes "hey walter why dont u throw the red ball of fire down the first arrow?"
LOL
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Chris Barnes' quote is "Red ball up 5"
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 07, 2008, 09:47:05 AM
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what bothers me the most is that the pba is placing more emphasis on tournament variety and formats instead of going out and securing more and better corporate sponsorships.
I would like to nominate this for post of the year!!
Post by: Pinbuster on August 07, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
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what bothers me the most is that the pba is placing more emphasis on tournament variety and formats instead of going out and securing more and better corporate sponsorships.
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I would like to nominate this for post of the year!!
How do you know that?
They make more money if they get better corporate sponsors. I'm sure they are not blowing them off.
They obviously are feeling that they need to find something to excite the public and sponsors.
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Post by: Traumabill on August 12, 2008, 03:00:01 PM
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Can someone explain to me logically why the "plastic ball tournament" does not count towards points? I think that is kind of dumb.
Two things - someone's livelihood is going to be based on a gimmick? Two, the over/under on number of exempt pros showing up for this is 22...wanna bet a ton take that stop off?
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Post by: Walking E on August 12, 2008, 10:58:33 PM
Sure, I would have watched the tournament TV finals regardless, but now I will pay much greater attention during the week on these new "gimmicky" tournaments to see what havoc they are wreaking.
I'm already looking forward more to the plastic tournament than any other stop. The only thing I don't like about it is that Ebonite is the only manufacturer providing balls. It'd be interesting to see bowlers throwing all different brands of plastic. I would still keep the other rules the same - only two balls per bowler in the tournament, and all balls must stay on the premises, etc.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on August 15, 2008, 06:01:07 PM
Oh wasn't viewership up last year? I wonder why mess with the formula?
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Post by: justdale on August 15, 2008, 06:04:24 PM
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I can't wait for this season to get going. The formats look awesome!! The new events will be good viewing. The womens events should even be interesting even though Kulick and Liz Johnson won't be involved.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 15, 2008, 06:22:43 PM
quote:They didn't make the exemption cut.
Why won't Kulick and Johnson be involved for the ladies series?
Post by: Jeff Carter on August 16, 2008, 12:38:53 AM
Also, everybody is making WAY too much fuss over the Plastic Ball tournament. Its a non-points event and is not that big of an issue. Its just another event, everybody is on a level playing field and i'm sure everybody will be trying to win just like everything else.
I think the main event for the season is Indianapolis....the Marathon event is going to be very interesting. Bowling on 6 different patterns to make the show should be cool.
The only problems i see with the new formats are logistical...amount of equipment in pits with multiple patterns, amount of time to dress the lanes with multiple patterns, etc....
Should be an interesting season to say the least
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Thanks for chiming in, Jeff. You plan on being at the first stop, World Championships in Wichita? If so, I will chase you down and carry all your equipment for you. I got this huge mancrush on you!! lol Just kidding....but hope to meet you there...and good luck!!
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Post by: chitown on August 25, 2008, 04:00:43 PM
I think Duke and WRW will dominate this season.
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