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Title: Gu
Post by: lsf_21 on December 19, 2010, 02:59:48 AM
Is the left side of the lane a house shot? because hes making this look stupid easy.

Title: Re: Gu
Post by: lefty50 on December 19, 2010, 11:32:28 AM
No more so than Bill O''Neill made it look easy last week. Great job by Gu. The part I have trouble with is if Randy Petersen''s comments are true, and this guy was getting hack comments from our pretty boy pros. Starts to look like an international version of a Scroggy hate fest.

I loved it...
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 19, 2010, 11:36:03 AM
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No more so than Bill E. made it look easy last week. Great job by Gu. The part I have trouble with is if Randy Petersen's comments are true, and this guy was getting hack comments from our pretty boy pros. Starts to look like an international version of a Scroggy hate fest.

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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: robospare on December 19, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
You can't hack your way to a PBA title.  Smells like elitist attitude from a few of the good old a boys on tour.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: mainzer on December 19, 2010, 11:42:04 AM
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No more so than Bill E. made it look easy last week. Great job by Gu. The part I have trouble with is if Randy Petersen's comments are true, and this guy was getting hack comments from our pretty boy pros. Starts to look like an international version of a Scroggy hate fest.

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Sucks that they were ripping him during the week, too bad the PBA Guys are not man enough to have some sportmanship when some one comes in and has a good week against them, Makes us all look real good.

I am glad he took the title, shove it up all the people that put him down.

Great bowling Gu, I only wish I could be as accurate or as consistent. As a matter of face I think we all do, even some of the PBA guys.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: baltimora on December 19, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
I agree completely with the above comments. I was surprised to see Bill O whine about how the lanes were broke down. C'mon you played wrong part of the lane. In your win the other week you played it right and made others look like fools. Man up and admit you were wrong. The lane is an inanimate object. Put on some dry pull up's and try again next week.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: APheLion on December 19, 2010, 12:04:39 PM
... my last name is Gu

this guy must be my far cousin
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When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: stc067 on December 19, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
The guy did a great job keeping the ball in play in all 4 matches. I think the only problem was that this guy whose style looks like the typical house bowler whupped O'neil's and Belmonte's tails.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: tizzle on December 19, 2010, 12:48:27 PM
He did well.. but he got a gift with the guy leaving a pocket 7 10 split.. plus missing a single spare
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: bighook69 on December 19, 2010, 01:29:08 PM
I thought it was great seeing Gu win... and for once I think Rob Stone's nickname "Dr. Gu" was actually decent... although it did remind me of a character from 007
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Dyno-Joe on December 19, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
I didn't think Gu was all that accurate, yanked a few (even had a Jersey) and pitched few out. He did what Norton did the week before and just broke it down good for himself. It will either be feast or famine if there is only 1 lefty on the show, lately it's been their feast. But remember Scroggins had famine when he needed it most last year.

I understand how Bill was feeling though with his comment about the guys not breaking the lanes down the right way. Seems if you have all the righties go all over the place, their margin becomes smaller and smaller. Kind of hard to beat someone when they have a small bit of room out there. I'm greatly interested in seeing the practice before the title match to see what Kim was doing at the time. That spot of the lane didn't see much friction until Belmo got there. MacLelland never got his ball to read early enough. Then O'neill didn't seem to of had much out there because the track area was still a little messy, and left of that hooked. But if he moved too deep he would of trapped himself in too wide of entry angles. Seemed to me Belmo moved straighter into the messy part to see if he could use that as hold, sadly that Tropical Heat never wrinkled (all this being speculation).
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on December 19, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
A lefty stroker that goes straight up 5 is always called a hack.  Whatever, I've dealt with it enough in my life...

I was psyched to see Gu win -  that's two in a row for lefty strokers.  You righties with a lot of hand don't have to worry - no lefties next week on Shark...
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: scotts33 on December 19, 2010, 04:24:07 PM
As far as technique and style as wrongsiders are concerned....huge difference between Scroggy and Gu vs. PBIII.  
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 19, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
He has a road runner style to the line, but his balance was good.  I was a little shocked that other people were calling him a hack and stuff, but that just shows how much of an elitist sport bowling is.

I guess I just forget that anytime a right hander or any other pro wins a tournament they NEVER MISS splitting boards or get any kind of solid break.  Joke, sarcasm, whatever.


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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Big Jake on December 19, 2010, 04:33:15 PM
...a great show today!
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: lsf_21 on December 19, 2010, 05:04:14 PM
btw im left handed.....

to me it just looked like he threw a few shots that werent all that great and all went high flush... made that shot look easy.

I thought the show was much better than I was thinking, knowing only 2 people that made the show.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Russell on December 19, 2010, 06:48:17 PM
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btw im left handed.....

to me it just looked like he threw a few shots that werent all that great and all went high flush... made that shot look easy.

I thought the show was much better than I was thinking, knowing only 2 people that made the show.


Yeah he sprayed it around a little...but he broke them down just right to give him a great look.  The righties apparently didn't get on the same page...and train wrecked themselves.  Someone above said something about Belmo playing them wrong compared to Kim...I think Kim tilts it a good bit more through the fronts, so Belmo's ball was reading some early friction and "puking" whereas Kim's ball floated and had a good change of direction downlane.  If you looked closely at the blower 7/10, he got it about 4 boards right of where he had been playing down the lane...and it still got back to the pocket.  The other righties all left 2/8/10s or a washout when they missed wide at all.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: tywithay on December 19, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
I'm sure it was just the Anarchy making him look good since storm makes the best balls in the world......

Congrats to Gu for the win. Sucks people were ragging on him. Those exempt guys think that the purse should just be handed over to them I guess. Don't feel like they have to earn it.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: T C 300 on December 19, 2010, 08:29:45 PM
FYI ppl.........Gu wasnt the only person who threw a few shots that "werent that great"!!!  he carried and beat EVERY ONE so ppl will complain......

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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Norm3v on December 19, 2010, 08:30:22 PM
Best show by far this year! Randy Pedersen's acknowledgement of pros calling Gu a hack was awesome. I gained so much more respect for Pedersen for standing up to these elitist pros/bowlers who are pushing a lot of bowlers away from the sport. I thought for a long time that Randy was kissing the pros backsides a little too much, but maybe now he's had enough of them too. And huge props for Gu for not letting them bother him and showing that on that day he was the superior bowler. He had one lapse in missing that 7 pin by a hair and kept his composure thoughout the entire telecast. He earned every ounce of that tile, nothing was handed to him.

There are plenty of great bowlers that never bothered with the PBA because they could earn more money elsewhere, Rafael Nepomuceno being the most famous, and he bowled when the PBA was at it's height in cash outs. If you aren't sure who he is, look him up, very impressive.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: MrPerfect on December 19, 2010, 08:42:04 PM
Well, even though I know who won, I can't wait to watch this telecast tommorrow morning before work....
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Norm3v on December 19, 2010, 08:46:14 PM
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Well, even though I know who won, I can't wait to watch this telecast tommorrow morning before work....


Sorry about that man, hate to promote spoilers, just too hot of a topic lol.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: dark_rising76 on December 19, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
It goes to show that you don't have to throw the ball like 22 mph or be a hook monster to win a PBA event. Gu did a very good job being consistent with little adjustment even for being the lone lefty. I wasn't very happy about the "hack" comment made about him because Gu went out and did his thing and made all the other "elite" bowlers look like youth bowlers using bumpers. Maybe I should get a hold of Gu's interpretor and find out where I can get one of those glasses, lol.

But Gu got the job done, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Northland on December 19, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
Gu threw the ball well today, but he did get lucky at the end to win the title.

I was disappointed by O'Niell's whining about the lane conditions.  Typical these days, it seems.  Guys can't take ownership of their own bowling anymore.  Blame it on the wrong ball, blame it on the lanes, blame it on the guy who bowled ahead of you, whatever.  Bill, maybe you just didn't throw it well enough today to win.  That's the way it goes sometimes.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: lefty50 on December 20, 2010, 12:05:42 AM
I definitely lost the respect I have recently gained for Bill O'Neill today. Did anyone else think it was hilarious that Randy reported Bill's "our only option is to sand it to 360 and come from the outside" at the same time Kim is using a polished Taboo inside? I tell you one thing, the "amateur" from Korea really made that Taboo look good today, but not O'Neill.
That was a great match, in all aspects. Sure, Gu got lucky at the end, so what? That's part of the back and forth we all see in many of the "classic" matches.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Wilbert on December 20, 2010, 06:07:22 AM
The right side was different from what was expected, but there was a good shot deep.  Belmonte started striking after going deep.  Also Kim had no problem striking deep.  It was just the wrong adjustment.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 20, 2010, 07:29:53 AM
I was much more impressed with Kim ....

WOW, ... pocket 7 10 .......ouch
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Stan on December 20, 2010, 07:35:24 AM
Congrats Gu.

Kim did miss his target way right on that 7-10.  Did not have to be a split, but thats bowling.
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Bigmike on December 20, 2010, 08:23:57 AM
+100 I bet Gu was smiling all the way to the bank.

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People can make fun of Gu and call him a hack all they want. At the end of the day, who got the paycheck?
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: MrPerfect on December 20, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
Well, I was able to watch the show and I don't really understand what all the fuss was about, because the guy bowled pretty well. Yeah, I understand he wasn't splitting boards but when you have pretty much everyone pretty much giving up after the first few frames, what do you want the guy to do? In the end it was the same thing as when O'Neill won with the Taboo...he just had the better ball and line.

Match 1: the guy missed 3 times, only 1 of which resulted in a strike.

Match 2: the guy missed his target 3 times, only 1 of them resulted in a strike. Nevermind that O'Neill had no idea what he was doing missing in and out all through the first few frames. So, he started with the wrong ball, then balled down and kept getting lucky with high flush strikes. Then O'Neill finally makes a finger adjustment, but was still going high pocket.

Match 3: the guy missed 2 times, 1 of which resulted in a strike. I have no idea what Belmonte was doing until he changed balls. It didn't help that like O'Neill he couldn't consistently hit his target.

Match 4: both guys seemed flawless until the end of the match when everything went crazy.

Overall, the guy bowled fairly well, the majority of his misses were only 1 to 2 boards off target. I guess my question is why weren't the righties playing that far right? And if they couldn't why was there considerably more oil on the right than left?
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Sikfish on December 20, 2010, 11:03:58 AM
HOUSE HACK - 1, "ELITE" PRO's - 0
Title: Re: Gu
Post by: scotts33 on December 20, 2010, 11:09:30 AM
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Gu did the exact same thing. Broke down the pair to his liking, used a soft, wear release, ands let the ball do the work.  


I disagree in the description of Gu having a soft hand and not hitting the ball at the bottom.  He hit it pretty hard and lifted...to me this is not a soft hand.  He got away with it because he was on the wrong side.  Try that on the right side and his ball reaction would not have been good.

Glad he won a title but with his technique as a non-lefty he is just another bowler.  I think that's what the exempt players were intimating or at least that's what I think they were thinking.

Voss & Duke are the ones with soft hands and can get the ball to tip up at the right spot not Gu IMO.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: StickZ on December 20, 2010, 11:14:28 AM
holy hell, he sprayed it everywhere? ya maybe he missed a few times. SO WHAT! Where does it say in the sport of bowling you must strike a certain way? there isnt one bowler in this world who can throw 1,000 shots and it the same mark 1,000 times.  the dude came out and performed very well. no, he didnt have the  perfect style or form but if he can make it work and strike. good for him. next time tommy jones goes through the face and carries the big 4 are we gonna see a post about how he "sprays it everywhere" and call him a hack? no. just because this is the first time seeing him doesnt make him a hack bowler for missing his mark a few times. give credit where it is due!
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: OddBalls on December 20, 2010, 11:19:10 AM
I'm just shocked that we've never had Koreans in the PBA finals, then have two fighting it out for the title!!

Also, (IMHO) you can't beat a lefty whos HOT going up the 5 board..no matter who he is..

I wonder if SK is going to make them national heros..


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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Good Times Good Times on December 20, 2010, 11:23:30 AM
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HOUSE HACK - 1, "ELITE" PRO's - 0


Today.........

Squirrel does get a nut on occassion.  I hand it to Gu, he got it done.  But I do not believe the "hacks" will beat out the "Elite" pro's in the long run.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: scotts33 on December 20, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
http://www.xtraframe.tv/pba/

Even if you are not a subscriber click on the free Scorpion Championship post game and you will see why O'Neill struggled with his talk with Jeff Ussery and Del Ballard.  You can see they don't have a solid game plan that Bill looked comfortable with.  Lots of questions in his mind the way I see it.

1000 abralon Theory and an Anarchy for Gu.  

Ball reaction and match ups dominate on these shows and unless you have it you ain't going anywhere.

To those that think a softer hand and straighter outside would have worked all I will say is look at how many times Barnes has tried this on TV and failed.  
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: ccrider on December 20, 2010, 11:54:57 AM
I would not agree that Barnes has a soft hand. Never saw him use it.

Gu outperformed everyone. Plain and simple. All bowlers catch breaks, just like they get tapped. Kim showed that the right side of the lane was playable. The righties, other than Kim, had not a clue. It was quite amusing to watch this lefty "HACK" beat the breaks off of everyone else.

Gu made the rest of the field, except for Kim,  look like hacks, if the truth be told.

GREAT WIN GU!!!!
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: Jesse James on December 20, 2010, 12:31:12 PM
I think the poster who mentioned soft hand, is right about this guy.

Now, I may be wrong...somebody please correct me if I am wrong...but I could've sworn Mr.Stone mentioned something about the huge hand/wrist device that he wore...and then mentioned also that he had an unusual "finger grip" in the ball.

I believe he said that he didn't use the usual two fingers that most use...that he used the ring finger and pinky.....which is a very weak release, and is a release that I sometimes use as a righty to pick up ten pins.

And if that is the case....he would have to hit it hard at the bottom to secure proper turn at the break point. If somebody has taped the show, maybe they could let me know it that indeed was what I heard.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: stc067 on December 20, 2010, 12:39:04 PM
I believe that Gu had three fingers in the ball(middle,ring,and pinky) and that was why they were discussing it. Pederson said that the only other person he knew of on tour that had previously used this type of grip was Mark Williams.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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I think the poster who mentioned soft hand, is right about this guy.

Now, I may be wrong...somebody please correct me if I am wrong...but I could've sworn Mr.Stone mentioned something about the huge hand/wrist device that he wore...and then mentioned also that he had an unusual "finger grip" in the ball.

I believe he said that he didn't use the usual two fingers that most use...that he used the ring finger and pinky.....which is a very weak release, and is a release that I sometimes use as a righty to pick up ten pins.

And if that is the case....he would have to hit it hard at the bottom to secure proper turn at the break point. If somebody has taped the show, maybe they could let me know it that indeed was what I heard.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: scotts33 on December 20, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Somebody tell me that's a soft hand.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqIiYElIfLo

Thunk on the lane.  Sheesh.  Just because he uses a pinky finger doesn't mean anything other than his wrist is weaker...may allow him to stay under it better and why he uses a wrist support I'd suppose.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: mainzer on December 20, 2010, 01:57:11 PM
I dont think calling Gu a hack is very fair, None of us made that cut or even had the balls to try and bowl the WSOB. If we were bowling we wouldn't have made it through the first round of qualifying.

Calling him a hack makes you sound pretty stupid. Lets remeber Norm Duke WRW and Brain Voss play pretty straight Similiar to Gu just on the right side not the left, and they still miss their marks. WE miss our marks so lets joke we are not that good.

He won he was better that day he had a great look, why doesnt he get the credit for being a good bowler? Oneil ran over everyone a few weeks ago and he got credit for it. I guess I am missing something, how is two guys accomplishing the same thing different?
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: ccrider on December 20, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
Agreed. But what's in a name. Call him what you want. The guy outbowled all  of the "seasoned pros" by laps.
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Title: Re: Gu
Post by: MrPerfect on December 20, 2010, 07:29:07 PM
So, once again, is there any reason the righties couldn't of broken down the pair in the same fashion? Or was the show another case of bowlers getting locked in to how they are supposed to play the pattern instead of bowling on what was given?

I have to admit though, I do agree with the comment that if you are a righty and searching for a line, and a lefty has free friction around the 5 board, it is pretty much a given what's going to happen all things considered.