Author Topic: Here comes Belmonte (Read 7465 times)

Russell · « **on:** March 26, 2009, 10:10:55 AM »

Now to his bread and butter...the long stuff....he goes +187 for the first 3 with a 300 in game 3.

If the PBA can survive another year...and he can get exempt...he'll help save it. If he isn't bowling the PBA folds (just my opinion).
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strikealot · « **Reply #16 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:55:07 PM »

your a lefty,,,,you should be able to throw it between your legs and ave 240.....

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Do you think that 2 handers cant switch to 1 handed and be just as good? I bowl 2 handed and carry a 220 average at 17, yes I know FIGJAM. But the point is, I look at 1 handers, and its a lot easier and more simple overall than bowling 2 handed. Once our bodies start hurting, you dont think we can switch to 1 handed and score? Its a lot simpler, believe me. Having a straight backswing and being able to play straighter on everything including shorter patterns sounds wonderful.

This is not a post bashing 1 handed or anything so dont take it that way, I respect bowlers in general whether it be 1 or 2 handed. The way I look at it, do it whatever way that you can bowl your best while doing it, no matter what it looks like or if it is not "the right way".
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Russell · « **Reply #17 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:59:38 PM »

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Do you think that 2 handers cant switch to 1 handed and be just as good? I bowl 2 handed and carry a 220 average at 17, yes I know FIGJAM. But the point is, I look at 1 handers, and its a lot easier and more simple overall than bowling 2 handed. Once our bodies start hurting, you dont think we can switch to 1 handed and score? Its a lot simpler, believe me. Having a straight backswing and being able to play straighter on everything including shorter patterns sounds wonderful.

This is not a post bashing 1 handed or anything so dont take it that way, I respect bowlers in general whether it be 1 or 2 handed. The way I look at it, do it whatever way that you can bowl your best while doing it, no matter what it looks like or if it is not "the right way".
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So when you need reconstructive surgery on your hip or knee you'll just put your thumb in it?

I don't think it will be that simple.
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looseleftie · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2009, 01:42:45 AM »

Hi, just my 2 cents worth here

Karakkan posted :
The tour is not 1 man. Jason is a great bowler and right now his 2 handed style is a novelty, but no way a body can stand up to that strain as it gets older. You think WRWJ would still be bowling at his age if he was a 2 hander all his life?

At some point his body won't allow him to do it, and that will be sooner than 99% of the one handed bowlers out there.

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Belmo would be the first to agree, and I can remember him saying something of the sort too on another forum.

However, he also added that you are only at your best in most sports for a brief period. Lets say for the sake of disucssion 10-15 yrs perhaps at bowling. I would rather attempt to be my best for a shorter period of time and be an elite player, than a good /mediocre one for 40 years.. Thats just me really! He can always go to one handed when he can't maintain the two handed delivery in later years. Tiger Woods will not be dominating sport in another 15 yrs most likely, nor will most elite sportsman in their chosen sport.. Bowling is a sport that is slight different in this regard, WRW and Duke, Parker and Weber are still awesome out there... The nature of sports is that champions, like fallen empires are only here for a short period of time.. Belmo probably realises that he will not be at the same level when he is WRW most likely, only due physical conditions, I might be wrong.. Belmo has bowled this way since beginning bowling therefore his body has built up a lot of strength and flexibility over the years, hes in good shape, so who knows.

If his body holds up for 10 -15, then I'm sure Jason would be most happy with that, combined with his ability then good luck to him..

As for the two hander being a novelty, dream on, this is the coming of a storm with the two hander approach.. If he were to win, well that would be a wake up to all and many young kids out there, to give it a go, and older farts like me to give it a crack, I'm still new to this (2 months now) but it sure has its merits, truly...

Another thing for everybody out there to consider, is he is one of only say 1-3 bowlers out there using this technique at present I'm guessing and succeeding, and look what he is achieving. Imagine if there were another 20 exempt bowlers throwing two handed, u tell me that those bowlers would most certainly be consistanly placing and making cuts and taking titles.. Just my take on this. His speed, accuracy and revs are like gold!! He has it all, and maturity and a lot of experience already gained...He is the real deal!!

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JD74 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2009, 08:38:11 AM »

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Do you think that 2 handers cant switch to 1 handed and be just as good? I bowl 2 handed and carry a 220 average at 17, yes I know FIGJAM. But the point is, I look at 1 handers, and its a lot easier and more simple overall than bowling 2 handed. Once our bodies start hurting, you dont think we can switch to 1 handed and score? Its a lot simpler, believe me. Having a straight backswing and being able to play straighter on everything including shorter patterns sounds wonderful.

This is not a post bashing 1 handed or anything so dont take it that way, I respect bowlers in general whether it be 1 or 2 handed. The way I look at it, do it whatever way that you can bowl your best while doing it, no matter what it looks like or if it is not "the right way".
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So when you need reconstructive surgery on your hip or knee you'll just put your thumb in it?

I don't think it will be that simple.
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I wont need any surgery, I'm in the gym 5 days a week so I wont need it, I dont even break a sweat bowling so believe me, not going to hurt anything, it feels very good.

As for putting the thumb in it, my thumbs is already in it, yes I throw 2 handed, but I use my thumb, I throw a lot like Cassidy Schaub.
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JD74 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2009, 08:44:14 AM »

The style is something people find very fascinating, and when your good at it people want to try it out because its something that looks pretty easy. Usually while I'm practicing, there will be either mediocre bowlers practicing also, or just open bowlers throwing house balls. Usually after watching me bowl for about a game, I look over and they are trying the 2 handed technique. Its something that is very interesting to most people and they see it done and see big scores from it and say "hey that looks like something I can do", so they try it out, usually it winds up being funny to me to be honest because they usually wind up chucking it right in the gutter or falling over, but then I walk over usually and try helping them with it. When they see Belmo on t.v. and especially if he wins (which he has a pretty good chance to), there will be a lot of people in bowling centers around the U.S. trying this style and talking about it.
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Krakken · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2009, 08:34:44 PM »

JD if you think just because you don't break a sweat you won't get injured you are sorely mistaken. Just ask Robert Smith if he was sweating when he blew out his hip flexor. Backs, knees, shoulder, hips. You are putting a tremendous amount of strain on your body bowling 1 handed let alone 2.

2 handed will take a larger toll on your body. Someone said if he could get 10-15 years of 2 handed bowling before his body broke down that is fine since top pros don't stay out there that long. The problem with that argument is someone isn't starting to bowl 2 handed when they get on tour. They have most likely been doing it for 10-15 years BEFORE they get on tour. HS, college, juniors that type of thing.

It is a passing fad, maybe a small niche at the most. In my lifetime I doubt you will see more than 1 or 2 two handed bowers on tour.

Heck there used to be one on tour that used no thumb. They said the same thing about him. All the revs, all the power, it is the next great thing. Everyone will do it.

How many no thumb bowlers are there on tour?? You guessed it....0

And if you think you can switch from 2 hands to one and just pick up where you left off, I doubt it. Maybe if you practiced both on a consistent basis you might.
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ucumin2 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2009, 10:15:01 PM »

Here comes Belmonte. LOL LOL Here comes the CHOKE Artist is more like it . Finally made Tv show after PBA gave him so many chances. Too bad he will show all u guys how he falls flat on his face again . Maybe then him and the 2 handed crap will gone and never be spoke of again

rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2009, 10:21:31 PM »

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Here comes Belmonte. LOL LOL Here comes the CHOKE Artist is more like it . Finally made Tv show after PBA gave him so many chances. Too bad he will show all u guys how he falls flat on his face again . Maybe then him and the 2 handed crap will gone and never be spoke of again

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ucumin2 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2009, 10:44:35 PM »

Nope sorry no troll here . just the truth about a chump

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Here comes Belmonte. LOL LOL Here comes the CHOKE Artist is more like it . Finally made Tv show after PBA gave him so many chances. Too bad he will show all u guys how he falls flat on his face again . Maybe then him and the 2 handed crap will gone and never be spoke of again

Go home, troll.
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rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2009, 10:51:31 PM »

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Nope sorry no troll here . just the truth about a chump

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Here comes Belmonte. LOL LOL Here comes the CHOKE Artist is more like it . Finally made Tv show after PBA gave him so many chances. Too bad he will show all u guys how he falls flat on his face again . Maybe then him and the 2 handed crap will gone and never be spoke of again

Go home, troll.
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1. You call him a "chump". How many international titles do you have?
2. If the PBA gave you as many chances as Belmonte, I'm sure you wouldn't even make match play more than MAYBE once or twice.
3. The anti-Belmo post wasn't the troll...the troll was the "2 handed crap will be gone" stuff. Why the hostility towards 2 handers? Let me answer for you. Because you're trolling.

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Atochabsh · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2009, 05:22:32 AM »

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Do you think that 2 handers cant switch to 1 handed and be just as good?

No Not anymore then you could switch to right handed.

If you are one of those rare people that can switch then great. But its not usual and I'd not count on it.

APheLion · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2009, 05:36:30 AM »

in world tenpin masters belmo gave a couple of shots with 1 hand, wasnt as bad, still plenty of speed and rotation.

u guys who dont like belmo goes over and over the same crap, and i also assume u were the ones saying crap about PDW high backswing, wont last long and blabla, well i still see pete competitive, with age everything has to slow down specially if u are not in a good shape.

let me tell u this, if i have some of u haters in front of me, im willing to gamble, reason? not because im a belmo fan, im open minded and i do see the results of what 2hand bowlers are capable of doing
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coasterp · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2009, 07:06:07 AM »

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JD if you think just because you don't break a sweat you won't get injured you are sorely mistaken. Just ask Robert Smith if he was sweating when he blew out his hip flexor. Backs, knees, shoulder, hips. You are putting a tremendous amount of strain on your body bowling 1 handed let alone 2.

2 handed will take a larger toll on your body. Someone said if he could get 10-15 years of 2 handed bowling before his body broke down that is fine since top pros don't stay out there that long. The problem with that argument is someone isn't starting to bowl 2 handed when they get on tour. They have most likely been doing it for 10-15 years BEFORE they get on tour. HS, college, juniors that type of thing.

It is a passing fad, maybe a small niche at the most. In my lifetime I doubt you will see more than 1 or 2 two handed bowers on tour.

Heck there used to be one on tour that used no thumb. They said the same thing about him. All the revs, all the power, it is the next great thing. Everyone will do it.

How many no thumb bowlers are there on tour?? You guessed it....0

And if you think you can switch from 2 hands to one and just pick up where you left off, I doubt it. Maybe if you practiced both on a consistent basis you might.
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Slow Feet, Soft hand = Lots of strikes

You are correct in what you write. I actually had Mike Miller (this is the no thumb bowler being referred to) give me a compliment as I bowled next to him in a PBA event in which I had won a spot. As someone who used to bowl a ton of games a week, I can tell you there is an extreme amount of strain on your body, especially the knee, with these types of releases. I did not break a sweat when bowling but I did end up with knee and wrist problems. Luckily I stopped before surgery was needed. I was in my 20's when I was bowling this way and had great success. I won many events. However, changing back over to using the thumb was not an overnight project. It has taken years. The two handed bowlers are a fad that will not last. If Belmo has a good showing on TV today, you will see some kids running out and trying this. Most will quickly give it up. I had a few people start throwing the ball with no thumb after they saw me. Many of them quickly gave it up, as they found out it was hard to do. Plus resin balls started showing up, so anyone could hook the ball. There was no need for the no thumb release at that point. There is no need for the two handed delivery now. The guys that do it, are doing something unique and are good at it. They are however, not the start of a new era, they are more like a blip on the screen. If you don't believe me, go ask Mike Miller.

coasterp · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2009, 07:10:30 AM »

For the record, I have NOTHING aginst any two handed bowler. I enjoy watching them. My point is that this release is hard on your body and there is no need for it with modern equipment.

titletowncards · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2009, 07:51:22 AM »

I think Belmonte's a good guy, and I'll enjoy watching the show today.
It's not like he tell everyone, the only way to bowl well is 2-handed. He's very modest about it. I don't care if you throw it between your legs backwards, as long as it works for you and you stay within the rules. The only problem I have is the USBC pushing this so hard out of desperation. It's not going to save the PBA or nor will the PBA fold without him.
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