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Title: How did you like the new format?
Post by: bowlallthetime on December 09, 2007, 01:11:45 PM: I personally really enjoyed watching the 4 bowler match(even though we missed a few frames). With 4 bowlers, there is a good chance that it will be an exciting finish. Plus we get to see a couple of new bowlers with 8 guys making the show. Did anyone else like the format?
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: J_Mac on December 09, 2007, 09:17:17 PM: Made it interesting, but I don't think they can pull this sort of format off live. Not being live didn't really change the characteristics of the show, but I would like to see the entire match, not just 90% of it.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: themagician on December 09, 2007, 09:17:20 PM: I really enjoyed it but there were some issues. Mainly the whole cutting off frames to cut down the overall length of the show.

I would like to see it again as it gave more people an opportunity and provided some great games.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: charlest on December 09, 2007, 09:20:17 PM: I think this was not the new format; just the format for this show. I could be wrong. This was a 2 hour special. I do not believe the 1:00 PM Sunday shows will be 2 hours but the original 90 minutes. I assume they will go back to the new format: 2 semi-finals producing 1 final.

BUT I loved today's show; it was the most exciting bowling show I've seen in years.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: BuzzsawCrazy on December 09, 2007, 09:21:32 PM: I loved that format. Especially the first match. There was alot of intensity in the match to move on to the step ladder matches. The only thing would be to lenghten the show to show all matches and not cut off frames.. I think they should do it every week.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 09, 2007, 09:23:28 PM: I loved this format! Gives the viewer more bowlers to see .. don't know if the BOWLERS like it .. if DEVANEY went all the way he would bowl 5 matches .. might be tough .. Allen only bowled one. Yes I did like it!
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Necromancer on December 09, 2007, 09:30:09 PM: I liked seeing this Rhino Page bowl. Kind of sick of PA and was sorry that he won yet another title. Wish I could of seen:

-Tommy Jones
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-Robert Smith
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: bowlallthetime on December 09, 2007, 10:18:18 PM: I know they are not keeping this format, but I would like to see them use it a couple of times in the future. And I thought back in the 90s, they used to bowl during commercials(not 100% sure of that). But I don't mind missing a few frames if it means seeing different bowlers.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Necromancer on December 10, 2007, 12:04:57 AM: I'd like to see it taken a step further since my favorite bowlers get eliminated by others in the round of 16 every week. I'd like for them to show highlights of the round of 16 matches and then move on to a format like tonight but faster. I don't need to see the loser bowl an entire game. Show like 3 or 4 frames and then speed up for time constraints. I'd like to be able to see like 16 different bowlers every week for a few frames, than the same people for 12 frames or more.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Walking E on December 10, 2007, 02:22:06 AM: quote:
I liked seeing this Rhino Page bowl. Kind of sick of PA and was sorry that he won yet another title. Wish I could of seen:

-Tommy Jones
-Tommy Delutz
-Robert Smith
or
-Pete Weber

It was cool to see the new guy on TV, but was anyone else annoyed like I was about his shoes squeaking? I would hate to bowl next to that guy.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Jim12387 on December 10, 2007, 02:30:36 AM: I had a couple opinions of the format used for the telecast.

First, I think the format would be beneficial because there is a better chance of seeing "underdogs" make it to TV. If you have a top 4 or top 5 format every week the chance that huge names will fill all 4 or 5 spots is higher than having huge names fill 8 spots. It is nice to see new bowlers on the telecast.

Second, I felt that this format was too long for me to watch. I found myself restless after an hour and a half. I know this isn't what you all think, but it is how I personally felt.

Third, the format seemed less interesting and more fast paced. There was no time for interviews to see the players reactions. Overall, I think the prior format is better. However, it is nice to be able to have this 8 person format once in a while.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 10, 2007, 04:56:42 AM: while i like the idea of seeing eight players on the telecast and a two hour show i don't like the idea of skipping frames. i'd rather see a 1 1/2 telecast where we see every shot and every frame.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: bowlingmytmouse on December 10, 2007, 05:02:13 AM: I liked the format, but I think that if they do this again that they need to use a different pair post the 4 man match. The break down was ridiculous. But it was great to see all those bowlers on one telecast.

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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Lane1Redneck on December 10, 2007, 05:38:31 AM: I thought it was awesome.. You got to see who could keep up with the transitions..Ain't that what it's all about.. Hope they do this format again.. 1hr of bowling is not enough..
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: tonybowls on December 10, 2007, 05:42:56 AM: I agree with Greg. Would much rather see every shot of every frame.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: tenpin on December 10, 2007, 05:49:07 AM: Quote
I liked the format, but I think that if they do this again that they need to use a different pair post the 4 man match. The break down was ridiculous.

I disagree with this as that makes the bowlers adjust. That is why they are on the PBA. It is no different than us bowling a tournament and then have to bowl on a championship pair which has 15 mins of practice and about 20 plus games of tournament bowled on it. It shows who has the real skill instead of just chucking a ball down and averaging 250. Let's watch them move and then try to carry that is fun.

I like the format did not like the frames cut out. Maybe they could do the top then bowl 6 5 4. That would cut out a match. for shorter television. Maybe they should consider this format for the majors..
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 06:31:23 AM: I thought it was an interesting format. It's a shame the winner had to go all Howard Dean and sound like a moron when he won but hey at least the bowling was exciting for the duration of the show.

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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: dpunky on December 10, 2007, 06:46:15 AM: I actually liked the 4 bowler match. It definitely made it interesting because the match was decided on the last shot. If there was another opportunity to display this type of match, I would set it up this way:

1. Have the top 8 finishers from round-robin match play advance to the finals
2. Place these bowlers in two groups
a. Group A would consist of the bowlers that placed 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
b. Group B would consist of the bowlers that placed 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th
3. On TV, each Group would play one game, with all 4 bowlers playing at the same time (just like they did on Sunday's telecast)
4. The winners of each group would play one game to determine the winner of the tournament

This format would make the two finalist from each group have to face the challenge of dealing with a pair of lanes that have been extremely broken down.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 06:50:44 AM: I am not sure about how I would feel about making two groups have to do it. I like the idea of having the 4 play for the spot on the stepladder but it seems kind of hard to ask a guy to bowl against 3 other players at once in single elimination.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: shelley on December 10, 2007, 07:33:20 AM: quote:
4. The winners of each group would play one game to determine the winner of the tournament

That doesn't give any advantage to the guy who tore them up all week and led the tournament. One of the nice things about stepladder finals is that leading during the week gives you an advantage over the guy who just squeaked onto the show. If he wants to win, he's going to have to work a lot harder to do so, just like the leader did all week.

If they want more bowlers on the show, they could do what they did back in the early 2000s: Put 6, 7, and 8 in a shootout, winner advances to face 4 and 5. Winner advances to face 2 and 3. Winner advances to face the top seed.

SH
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: dechrist on December 10, 2007, 07:37:36 AM: quote:
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4. The winners of each group would play one game to determine the winner of the tournament

That doesn't give any advantage to the guy who tore them up all week and led the tournament. One of the nice things about stepladder finals is that leading during the week gives you an advantage over the guy who just squeaked onto the show. If he wants to win, he's going to have to work a lot harder to do so, just like the leader did all week.

If they want more bowlers on the show, they could do what they did back in the early 2000s: Put 6, 7, and 8 in a shootout, winner advances to face 4 and 5. Winner advances to face 2 and 3. Winner advances to face the top seed.

SH

I loved the fact that there were 8 bowlers on as well. I think I like your format as well. My question is could they get everything in in an 1 1/2 - 2 hour window?

I also say let the lanes get chewed up. It makes for much more interesting bowling, and watching the pros adjust to ever-changing lane conditions.

I don't need to see a 300-298 to see a good match.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: KDawg77 on December 10, 2007, 07:38:06 AM: Good to see all the bowlers, but otherwise it was a touch long.

On a side note: can someone tell Rhino Page he doesn't need to wear Mike Devaney's clothes? He looked sloppy.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Rantings on December 10, 2007, 07:40:28 AM: I thought it was confusing at best and didn't have any cohesiveness when 4 bowlers are going at it on TV.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 07:42:28 AM: One thing I will say is that I didn't get to watch this show at home like I normally do so I didn't get a feel for how the 4 man match worked in terms of cohesiveness.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: dpunky on December 10, 2007, 07:54:50 AM: quote:
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4. The winners of each group would play one game to determine the winner of the tournament

That doesn't give any advantage to the guy who tore them up all week and led the tournament. One of the nice things about stepladder finals is that leading during the week gives you an advantage over the guy who just squeaked onto the show. If he wants to win, he's going to have to work a lot harder to do so, just like the leader did all week.

If they want more bowlers on the show, they could do what they did back in the early 2000s: Put 6, 7, and 8 in a shootout, winner advances to face 4 and 5. Winner advances to face 2 and 3. Winner advances to face the top seed.

SH

I loved the fact that there were 8 bowlers on as well. I think I like your format as well. My question is could they get everything in in an 1 1/2 - 2 hour window?

I also say let the lanes get chewed up. It makes for much more interesting bowling, and watching the pros adjust to ever-changing lane conditions.

I don't need to see a 300-298 to see a good match.
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The time restraints of a 1 1/2 hour show does make it hard to pull a tournament finals format that I described. It's hard enough for the PBA to fit in enough time to do their normal bracket and stepladder formats that they do. I do like the way the bowlers struggled through lane transition. It gave them the challenge of overcoming obstacles like that. Maybe the next time they do this, they have the top 6 bowlers get in, with the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th finishers playing in a one game match, where the winner faces the 2nd seed and the winner of that match faces the 1st seed. There may be time restraints trying to fit this into a 1 1/2 hour telecast, but I thinks this may cut off 30 minutes from the telecast.

The only other option that I see the PBA doing is having a match go without any commercial interruptions. A company could sponsor one of the matches and have their ads splashed on the graphics and around the lanes. I've seen this done in soccer where companies sponsor blocks of time so that the match can be seen uniterrupted. Not sure if this even possible in a PBA telecast, or if this would save the PBA more time to show more segments or interviews, but this is just my thoughts.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: shelley on December 10, 2007, 08:24:47 AM: quote:
The only other option that I see the PBA doing is having a match go without any commercial interruptions.

They did that once or twice last year. Can't remember which show, I think it was one with Pete Weber on it. Each match was shown uninterrupted, followed by some large amount of commercials. I want to say it was the Bowlersparadise.com Classic two years ago, PDW's first win after the crappy 04-05 year, but I won't swear to it.

SH
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 10, 2007, 10:23:44 AM: I missed the whole show because of an ice storm where I live knocking our the cable, phones, and etc. By the time they fixed the problem, the show was over.

Does anyone know if and when it might be re televised?
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Fatboy8 on December 10, 2007, 10:26:47 AM: It's on right now on ESPN Classic.........
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Sawuser on December 10, 2007, 10:55:31 AM: I loved the show except for the unfair transitioning of lane condition. Two lefties & six righties makes a HUGE difference in the condition, especially when the first four bowlers were righties. The left side only had 2 games bowled plus warm-ups & the right side had how many?!

In that type of format maybe take top 4 lefties & top 4 righties. Well, that wouldn't be real fair either considering the number of each.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: justdale on December 10, 2007, 10:58:06 AM: Loved the concept, really good to see Chris Warren on TV, it has been a real long time for him, he bowled a great game
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: dpunky on December 10, 2007, 12:44:10 PM: quote:
Loved the concept, really good to see Chris Warren on TV, it has been a real long time for him, he bowled a great game
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I definitely want to see Chris Warren back on TV again in the next shows. The guy still has it, and can definitely give any opponent a good run for the title.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: dpunky on December 10, 2007, 12:44:56 PM: quote:
Loved the concept, really good to see Chris Warren on TV, it has been a real long time for him, he bowled a great game
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I definitely want to see Chris Warren back on TV again in the next shows. The guy still has it, and can definitely give any opponent a good run for the title.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Platinum Bowler on December 10, 2007, 01:31:29 PM: I thought the four man match was too much and pretty boring. If three of the bowlers weren't so close in score and gave the excitement of all tying, I think it would have been a real lackluster. And KDawg, what do you mean by Rhino looking bad? I didn't see anything wrong with what he was wearing.
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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 10, 2007, 09:20:39 PM: the pba and espn could do us all a favor and go back to "the way it used to be". a 1 1/2 hour telecast with the 5 man stepladder final. there was plenty of time for introductions, commentary, tip of the week or tech info, trophy presentation, interview with the winner, AND we got to see every shot and every frame. if it worked on abc and espn "back in the day" it would work now.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: BrianCRX90 on December 10, 2007, 09:42:03 PM: They could easily pull this live if stupid ESPN would give them 2 hours. I loved the format. The only thing is those 4 bowlers have such a narrow chance of getting the title but it was still fun to watch. It was a lot of bowling.
Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: pjr300 on December 10, 2007, 09:50:48 PM: I loved the new format. I suggested something very close to this in a letter to the "old" PBA almost 15 years ago. They need to do something to get more faces out there and also bring somethe excitement of match play and qualifying to the TV finals.... this makes a step in the right direction.

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Title: Re: How did you like the new format?
Post by: Daleswmn on December 11, 2007, 04:48:10 PM: I also enjoyed the show on Sunday. The match featuring 4 bowlers was exciting to watch.

Why not take the top 4 or 6 and have them bowl a three game series for the title? All on the show would get more exposure and it would eliminate some luck from the equation, such as bad timing on transition or a bad look in the fresh. 10 min of practice, 3 game set, and a winner is crowned.

To me it makes more sense than a 1 game crap shoot after grinding through qualifying and match play only to have a bad look in the one game for all the marbles. Let some of the skill that got them there shine through and let them have a chance to recover from a bad game. 3 games is still short enough for tv yet long enough for a more deserving champion to be crowned.

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