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northface28

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Barnes real problem
« on: February 03, 2008, 03:38:22 PM »
He is revered in bowling circles as "having the most talent". Well can someone explain to me while he insists on going so straight on TV? Is he scared of hooking it more? No tilt, no axis rotation. Just end-over-end up the lane. I'm not sure if there is such a thing as too much up the back or too straight, but if there is, Chris Barnes is guilty of it.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2008, 11:42:05 AM »
You sure can, and you did.  And so am I.  He has made more to this point this year than most of us have in our jobs, so I think he is doing all right.

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2008, 11:46:38 AM »
Looking at Barnes in that last major, I thought he had a great look to the pocket and great carry.  Suddenly his carry started going away but if he didn't miss that 10 pin he would have won.

In other words, if he makes the spare no one would be saying anything and his roll would have won him that major.

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2008, 08:46:23 PM »
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Is that Walter Ray's problem too?

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2008, 08:51:43 PM »
Barnes real problem is not coming on here and listening all you superstars...
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2008, 02:23:17 PM »
Great post Joe Jr!

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PS... but he did listen to a mutual friend of ours a couple of years ago before he won like $330K in 3 weeks.  His coaching consisted of...."you are grea!"...."Do YOU believe it?"


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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2008, 10:38:07 AM »
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Most of the higher scores that week were straight guys (Wes Malott excluded) The big boomers did nothing, Sean Rash, Tommy Jones, Robert Smith. Just look who made the show and who makes the show every week. The straighter guys are more consistent than the hookers!!


I disagree, the ToC pattern was a multi-angle pattern.  PDW and Shafer made the show hooking the ball and Barnes and Haugen played straighter.  It looked like the straighter players had a slight edge on Sunday, mainly because Weber and Shafer burned up the inside during the first match.  I do agree that Barnes isn't as willing to make big moves as the greats like Norm Duke, WRW and Pete Weber are.  It seems to me when he loses his look on TV, he panics becasue he knows it's a 1 game match and he has to make a perfect move, what usually happens is he either tries to "Shim to win" which doesn't give you much room for error or makes a ball change that usually doesn't work out.  I think (and I am by no means an expert) that he needs to trust his instincts more like the greats like PDW, WRW, PBIII and Norm Duke do and if it's not your day, it's not your day.   If he trusts his instincts more and just bowls on Sunday, Chris will win more tournaments than he loses.    

As far as the ToC goes, although Barnes whiffed the 10 pin, Haugen deserves a ton of credit for not giving up and giving himself a chance.

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2008, 11:14:08 AM »
Any of the guys on tour will tell you that the patterns they bowl on are nothing like the PBA experience league patterns. Also, they will tell you that the lanes change and break down much faster for various reasons.

Barnes missed a ten pin spare that he needed to win. It happens. It is not the end of the world for him. He will be back, playing straight or hooking it, depending on how he feels and he will win. He will not be in this slump forever and all professionals have slumps. Even Tiger and Jordan.

Barnes has won before and knows what it takes to win. Don't count him out.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2008, 11:18:49 AM »
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Most of the higher scores that week were straight guys (Wes Malott excluded) The big boomers did nothing, Sean Rash, Tommy Jones, Robert Smith. Just look who made the show and who makes the show every week. The straighter guys are more consistent than the hookers!!


I disagree, the ToC pattern was a multi-angle pattern.  PDW and Shafer made the show hooking the ball and Barnes and Haugen played straighter.  It looked like the straighter players had a slight edge on Sunday, mainly because Weber and Shafer burned up the inside during the first match.  I do agree that Barnes isn't as willing to make big moves as the greats like Norm Duke, WRW and Pete Weber are.  It seems to me when he loses his look on TV, he panics becasue he knows it's a 1 game match and he has to make a perfect move, what usually happens is he either tries to "Shim to win" which doesn't give you much room for error or makes a ball change that usually doesn't work out.  I think (and I am by no means an expert) that he needs to trust his instincts more like the greats like PDW, WRW, PBIII and Norm Duke do and if it's not your day, it's not your day.   If he trusts his instincts more and just bowls on Sunday, Chris will win more tournaments than he loses.    

As far as the ToC goes, although Barnes whiffed the 10 pin, Haugen deserves a ton of credit for not giving up and giving himself a chance.


Finally, a well thought out response instead of the saturation of Barnes "ball-washing".
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2008, 11:27:49 AM »
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Most of the higher scores that week were straight guys (Wes Malott excluded) The big boomers did nothing, Sean Rash, Tommy Jones, Robert Smith. Just look who made the show and who makes the show every week. The straighter guys are more consistent than the hookers!!


I disagree, the ToC pattern was a multi-angle pattern.  PDW and Shafer made the show hooking the ball and Barnes and Haugen played straighter.  It looked like the straighter players had a slight edge on Sunday, mainly because Weber and Shafer burned up the inside during the first match.  I do agree that Barnes isn't as willing to make big moves as the greats like Norm Duke, WRW and Pete Weber are.  It seems to me when he loses his look on TV, he panics becasue he knows it's a 1 game match and he has to make a perfect move, what usually happens is he either tries to "Shim to win" which doesn't give you much room for error or makes a ball change that usually doesn't work out.  I think (and I am by no means an expert) that he needs to trust his instincts more like the greats like PDW, WRW, PBIII and Norm Duke do and if it's not your day, it's not your day.   If he trusts his instincts more and just bowls on Sunday, Chris will win more tournaments than he loses.    

As far as the ToC goes, although Barnes whiffed the 10 pin, Haugen deserves a ton of credit for not giving up and giving himself a chance.


Finally, a well thought out response instead of the saturation of Barnes "ball-washing".
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It may have been a muliple angles pattern, but so is Viper and Cheetah, and week-in and week-out, the straighter guys are finishing higher than the max rev guys.  Not saying the Max rev guys don't win, but most of the time your higher finishers are straighter players.

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2008, 06:49:47 AM »
Guess Barnes does go too straight on TV huh?  Took a pattern thaty ou are supposed to play in, jumps out and throws it straight, and dominates.

Like I said, straighter is greater, just liek Walter Ray and Norm Duke do it.