Post by: strikecing on November 23, 2008, 10:00:56 AM
Pete Weber
Norm Duke
Chris Barnes
Tommy Jones
Patrick Allen
etc...???
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Post by: dyno- thane300 on November 23, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
Post by: strikecing on November 23, 2008, 06:04:13 PM
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yea but what maybe two titles in the last 5 years?!?! thats not a very goood pace to do so..
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Post by: 911chilli on November 23, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 23, 2008, 06:43:48 PM
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problem is for those chasing WRW isn't done collecting titles.
This is the number one thing, and all the people who are close are going to go out same time as him: Parker, Norm, etc.
Now, if you want to talk realistically, it'd probably have to be a young gun, who's going to be at it long after Walter is done.
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Nobody is catching Walter.
I agree.
Power players seem to burn out with injury and the guys near him now may simply burn out with Father Time.
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Post by: Pinbuster on November 24, 2008, 05:41:32 AM
They are both in their mid-40's. If you assume that Walter is almost done because of age then they are getting close as well. They would have to win 4 to 5 titles a year to catch him.
Bohn and Weber haven't won more than a title a year the last several seasons. Duke has a tendency to get hurt.
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Post by: los2003 on November 24, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 24, 2008, 08:51:29 AM
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Bohn,Duke and Weber are 14 or 15 titles behind.
They are both in their mid-40's. If you assume that Walter is almost done because of age then they are getting close as well. They would have to win 4 to 5 titles a year to catch him.
Bohn and Weber haven't won more than a title a year the last several seasons. Duke has a tendency to get hurt.
Agree.
The only current player that I believe could have a chance of possibly catching Walter Ray if (and that's a BIG if) he keeps winning about 3 tourneys a year as he has been able to do for the last 4 seasons, is Tommy Jones.
But then again, Tommy (as talented as he is) is a power player and has already shown signs of having nagging injuries, which, unfortunately, do not bode well for consistency and longevity-therefore, I think his chances are very slim.
Other current players, such as Rash, Page, and O'Neil, are not clutch enough to amass large chunks of titles to get to where Walter is-they may win quite a few, but I just don't see them doing it abundantly and consistently.
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Post by: David Lee Yskes on November 26, 2008, 04:11:10 PM
Besides that, I think Barnes could do it, but he needs to have better TV performances like someone mentioned, but his style is very smooth and not the herky jerky power player type, so he wont end up getting hurt too often. unless he drops a ball on his foot again lol.
but besides that, i really dont see anyone comming close to WRW's in titles.
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Post by: tenpin477 on November 26, 2008, 04:28:03 PM
It will be a young gun, but IMO a young gone who hasn't made it big yet.
Post by: NoseofRI on November 26, 2008, 04:35:24 PM
Then again the person that may catch WRW may not even be bowling on tour yet, maybe there's a young natural out there that is going to come up years from now. And just remember, noone really thought anyone will catch Earl.
Post by: 911chilli on November 26, 2008, 04:49:46 PM
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Nobody's going to catch him, because the PBA won't be around long enough for someone to catch him.
wow another debbie downer wah wah waaaaaah
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 26, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
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Nobody's going to catch him, because the PBA won't be around long enough for someone to catch him.
wow another debbie downer wah wah waaaaaah
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on November 26, 2008, 07:52:06 PM
Pete Weber is done. I'm sorry but he will have a good tournament now and then but fact it, he's never won the player of the year and never will. He's a great bowler but has never really had a great season. Don't be suprised at all if he isn't an exempt player after this season.
Tommy Jones is one of the best but he better hurry up. I predicted him to win POY. You actually need to make tv. It's near December and I'm disappointed so far. I think he's one of the best in the 00's decade.
Chris Barnes is one of the most consistent player on tour history but he doesn't have 10 titles yet. So that is out of the question.
Norm Duke is bowling better in his entire career. Can you believe that? Yes he is! His downfall? Injuries! He's not old but not young either and I don't know how much longer he will last. At least he will go out with a bang.
Patrick Allen. Nah...he's too old. I know he's only in his 30's but my point his he should have been on tour over 10-15 years ago and we would be having this conversation. He is good, one of the best lefties but I don't see him getting 40 some titles.
So no! Walter's record is out of reach. The only one that stands a chance on our list is Tommy Jones. But can he win multiple titles this season? Again, he better hurry up. Can he use a similar style into his 30's and his 40's? My concern is that.
If anyone is going to do it, we may not even know who he...or even she is because they are not on tour yet. In other words, may be a youngster out there that may be the next Walter.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on November 29, 2008, 06:31:40 PM
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PS NOONE but NOONE will beat Walters record.......
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Post by: JoeBowler on November 30, 2008, 03:38:28 PM
Someone might/maybe pass wwr jr someday assuming the tour survives. But I doubt if it is anyone with over 20 titles currently on tour.
Post by: BBU on December 01, 2008, 12:05:20 AM
Titles
Name (Last Tournament Won)
45 Titles
Walter Ray Williams Jr. (Lake County Indiana Golden Anniversary Championship - 11/9/08)
43 Titles
Earl Anthony (USBC Masters - 5/12/84)
34 Titles
Mark Roth (IOF Foresters Open - 4/15/95)
Pete Weber (64th U.S. Open - 3/4/07)
31 Titles
Parker Bohn III (Spartanburg Classic - 12/16/07)
30 Titles
Norm Duke (PBA World Championship - 10/26/08)
Dick Weber (King Louie Open - 2/19/77)
29 Titles
Mike Aulby (Silicon Valley Open - 1/21/01)
26 Titles
Don Johnson (Midas Open - 2/12/77)
24 Titles
Brian Voss (Jackson Hewitt Tax Service Classic - 1/29/06)
22 Titles
Marshall Holman (Ebonite Classic - 10/15/96)
20 Titles
Dick Ritger (AMF Magicscore Open - 2/3/79)
Wayne Webb (Bud Light Championship - 4/12/97)
19 Titles
Amleto Monacelli (Jackson Hewitt Tax Service Open - 2/13/05)
18 Titles
Nelson Burton Jr. (Angle Open - 2/11/84)
Dave Davis (Fresno Open - 7/3/78)
Billy Hardwick (Monro-Matic Open 4/10/76)
Dave Soutar (Syracuse Open - 11/9/82)
17 Titles
Carmen Salvino (Miller High Life Classic - 1/6/79)
15 Titles
Steve Cook (Cleveland Open - 3/21/92)
Jason Couch (Motel 6 Classic - 1/28/07)
14 Titles
Mike Durbin (Quaker State Open - 1/26/85)
Dave Husted (National/Senior Doubles - 1/15/00)
Johnny Petraglia (PBA National Championship - 3/29/80)
Jim Stefanich (Denver Open - 1/24/76)
13 Titles
Bill Allen (Newark Open - 9/22/1968)
Del Ballard Jr. (PBAA U.S. Open - 4/10/93)
Randy Pedersen (PBA Pepsi Open - 11/24/02)
Wayne Zahn (Showboat Invitational - 1/17/76)
12 Titles
Tommy Jones (GEICO Classic - 3/23/08)
Larry Laub (Kessler Open - 10/16/79)
Harry Smith (Denver PBA Open - 7/18/65)
Danny Wiseman (PBA Exempt Doubles Classic - 2/3/08)
11 Titles
Joe Berardi (Budweiser Challenge - 10/28/89)
Jim Godman (Quad Cities Open - 8/5/80)
John Guenther (Ford Open - 1/3/76)
David Ozio (AMF Dick Weber Classic - 11/1/95)
10 Titles
Patrick Allen (Lumber Liquidators Championship - 12/9/07)
Barry Asher (Tucson HBO Open - 7/20/76)
Tom Baker (PBA World Championship - 3/21/04)
Chris Barnes (Pepsi Championship - 3/2/08)
Paul Colwell (PBA Doubles Classic - 7/11/76)
Dave Ferraro (Great Lakes Classic - 11/2/94)
Bryan Goebel (PBA Medford Open - 1/12/03)
Steve Hoskins (Lone Star Open - 11/21/00)
Tommy Hudson (Seattle Open - 6/5/82)
Doug Kent (Denny's World Championship - 3/25/07)
Mike McGrath (Winston-Salem Invitational - 12/14/73)
George Pappas (Buffalo Open - 8/14/84)
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 01, 2008, 07:49:14 AM
Of course I know that...he is however only 32!
NEVER did I think in my lifetime that Jack's records would be approached due to a much deeper field of top players.
Though I am not sure Tiger will do it....due to his injury. The probables are yes...he will by dramatic amounts.
As an ardent golf follower...if you'd like to discuss some statistics or other things re golf...let's have at it. Show us some of your knowledge instead of your pithy comments.
Of course I am aware of Palmer's most impressive major victory was his last! The 1964 Masters by 9 shots. Never another major title after that!
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 01, 2008, 08:38:20 AM
That's like saying a MLB pitcher coming off a ROY campaign is a sure bet to win more games than Cy Young. Rhino's rookie season was historically great in terms of rookie seasons (so wasn't C.K. Moore's, for the record, and how's his career doing?), but he only won one title. If Rhino catches Patrick Allen in career titles, I'll be beyond surprised.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on December 01, 2008, 09:15:17 AM
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Anyone who legitimately thinks Rhino Page can catch WRW in career titles (and there are apparently several of you) should make an appointment for a CAT scan as soon as possible. The guy has one title to his name, hasn't sniffed TV this year, and is on pace to not even be exempt next year, yet several people seem to think he's on track to be the greatest of all time.
That's like saying a MLB pitcher coming off a ROY campaign is a sure bet to win more games than Cy Young. Rhino's rookie season was historically great in terms of rookie seasons (so wasn't C.K. Moore's, for the record, and how's his career doing?), but he only won one title. If Rhino catches Patrick Allen in career titles, I'll be beyond surprised.
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A possible contributor to his second year struggles could very well be that the PBA has once again tweaked its oil patterns.
As mentioned on the tube during yesterday's telecast, all animal patterns have been modified by going to a 2:1 oil ratio instead of 3:1, and have been lengthened by an extra foot, which changes the playing field to favor those that like to hook it a little, with the exception, of course, of the likes of Williams, Duke, and Machuga (they can play them whatever way they feel like it—straight or hook).
Rhino has yet to prove he can make it through an entire field with these changes in effect, although I, for one, am not ruling out his ability to adapt and conquer, and, yes, start making shows.
But, generally speaking, I agree with your assessment, although I would be as surprised as you to see him win a tad more than 10 titles once his career is over.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on December 02, 2008, 07:37:14 PM
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To pick someone for this they still have to be relatively young. If anyone is going to do it it'll be Tommy Jones or maybe Rash, or someone maybe not even on tour yet, ha.
Maybe.........Mr. Mushtare???
He's young and shatters pins!
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Post by: StormFreak5552 on December 02, 2008, 07:52:45 PM
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I agree.
Power players seem to burn out with injury and the guys near him now may simply burn out with Father Time.
Duuuuuuuuuuuke, watched all that i can of Norm, love the way he throws. But, me being a hooking/power player, i can't emulate him in any way unless i chuck my spit fire. (spit fire doesn't hook alot on our lanes?)
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Maybe.........Mr. Mushtare???
Is he pre-bowling the title match for the 2015 US Open today?
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