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Interesting PBA Titles Observation..Maybe?
« on: March 19, 2007, 05:39:20 AM »
I have a question for some of you on here.  We all know that Walter Ray has the most titles ever on the National Tour and many of them have come in the non exempt format.  However, Earl Anthony had all of his titles in a non exempt format, meaning he had to qualify for each event and bowl more games.

What is more impressive to you?  Really would it be fair to say someone like Tommy Jones who's titles have all come in the exempt era, if he were to surpass WRW, to say that Tommy is better or as good as WRW and EA have been?

I'm just curious to your thoughts on this.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 01:44:31 PM »
well first i would have to say that wrw is the best right handed bowler. ea is the best lefty ever.  these two would be hard to compare based on alot of factors, IE "reactive bowling balls, synthetic lanes, and on and on"  i dont think a comparison is really possible unless we could put wrw in a time machine and let him ea for some cash.  tommy jones doesnt even deserve to be in the paragraph as those two.
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Re: Interesting PBA Titles Observation..Maybe?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 01:46:53 PM »
All of these guys are good, no doubt about it.  Trying to define who is better is sort of like saying "a pound of gold is better than 16 ounces of gold."  Having said that, I am more impressed by Earl's achievements.  He did it quicker, against larger fields, and completely revamped his game to get to that level.  WRW always seems beatable, if you ask me.  Maybe not easily so, but there just seems to be that possibility.  Earl wasn't called the Doomsday striking machine for nothing.  As has been said of Earl - he never lost a tournament, just ran out of frames.  While neither of them had a form that I would try to teach, Earl seemed to just let it flow more than WRW.  I wouldn't bowl either of them for a farthing.  

(BTW, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Norm Duke just may be the best bowler ever to walk the planet, if you consider that he has the total package.)
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Re: Interesting PBA Titles Observation..Maybe?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 01:50:15 PM »
I agree with the Duke comment!
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 02:09:58 PM »
I agree with all of your statements.  I was thinking along the lines of:

The exempt players don't have to bowl qualifying just to make the round of 64 meaning less games, and a smaller field to bowl against and win.

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider Tommy Jones even close to what EA and WRW and PDW and ND are, but just using that as an example.

9 titles in 3 years is nothing to sneeze at, but he has done it all in the exempt field without having to qualify for the tournament itself.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 02:11:59 PM »
Also, maybe something that can also complicate things is the newer match play format where the best bowlers for the week don't necessarily make it to the TV shows.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 02:34:44 PM »
Blah blah blah Walter Ray.  Blah blah blah, Earl Anthony.  Blah blah blah, two Masters titles (just waiting).

Number of titles is not necessarily the best way to determine the best bowler ever.  They bowled with different competition on different lane conditions with different equipment and different tournament formats.  I don't think they bowled head-to-head much at all.  One is welcome to argue that Earl Anthony won with mostly rubber and plastic while WRW has had modern high-tech, high powered equipment.  Dumb argument, on account of everyone else in both cases had the same stuff.  The exempt field, in a sense, limits the number of actual competitors while guaranteeing WRW the opportunity to win.

Saying WRW is better because he has more titles or Earl is better because he did X, Y, and Z is silly.  That's like saying that Hank Aaron was the best baseball player ever because he has the most home runs.  One or two statistics does not make the best anything.  WRW has that 100% single-pin spare percentage and 99% for the last few years.  Should we use that to declare him the "best"?

Neither, in my opinion, is as versatile as Duke.  WRW can play in or out but I don't see him altering his game quite as much as Duke does.  I haven't seen enough of Earl Anthony to really say for sure, but every time I've seen him, he's played that straight line with the same release (I know, I know, he had 427 completely different releases depending on the lane conditions, loft, speed, angle, tilt, rotation, phase of the moon, and prevailing wind).

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 07:08:03 PM »
Say hello to Tommy Jones downyear, because the next few years remaining in this decade your going to see him racking titles left and right.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 07:23:30 PM »
Missing the question?


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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 08:21:52 AM »
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Say hello to Tommy Jones downyear, because the next few years remaining in this decade your going to see him racking titles left and right.


I hope not.  The PBA would be pretty boring to me at that point.

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 09:40:57 AM »
I like Norm alot, but to say he is the best because he is the most versatile is non-sense.  WRW doesnt have to be as versatile because of his precision and accuracy.  WRW also makes key little changes and read the lanes far better than any other bowler I have seen.  The two have different unique sets of skills, and to say one is better than the other is rubbish.

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2007, 11:39:35 AM »
walter ray williams, jr., the best player the pba has seen. 47 years old and still going strong. most younger players on tour can't go straight like he can when the lanes allow it. he's very good at playing in----at the dick weber classic he was the only righty to make the telecast and was playing in. the other rightys who are great at playing in didn't make the telecast. no one on tour is a better spare maker. when he retires the pba won't see the likes of a player like him for a long time.

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2007, 12:26:56 PM »
I think it is beneficial to watch some of these guys like Norm Duke and WRW because you can see how they can score and make adjustments.  To me that's the entertainment value in the PBA, not watching 5 guys hook it coast to coast.  

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Re: Interesting PBA Titles Observation..Maybe?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 11:28:03 PM »
Earl would lap fields but the pin deficits keep him in the show spots. Head to head match ups on various pairs offers more of an option to lose based upon one or two bad games. Less tournaments also leaves less mathematical probability for numerous titles also. WRW and Duke are the best ever to shoe up as far as I'm concerned. Earl,Roth and Dick Weber are right there but not growing up in the era its too hard to judge. Pete Weber probably had the most natural tools but tools alone don't get the job done.

If you needed all three in the tenth of the group in there prime who would you take? Personally it would be DW carrying the wallies.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 11:46:45 PM »
I've always been a big Earl Anthony fan and believe he is the greatest PBA tournament bowler to ever live. He would eat WRW for breakfest if both were in their prime. I watch this guy personally at a Miller Beer sponsored exibition in Eau Claire WI, many years ago. He had already bowled in LaCrosse earlier in the day. He also was drinking Miller Lites the whole time. They matched him against Mark McCann, the best bowler in Eau Claire, at 9:00 following a league. The lanes were not re-oiled. McCann didn't bowl poorly at his own house but the broken down shot messed him up a lot. Ol' Earl came in with a few brews under his belt and popped about 690. This was the urethane era it must be remembered. Earl was also a great guy. He sat in the bar with us afterward, and let us put on his 800 ring when we asked to look at it.

That being said though, there is no doubt in my mind the most versatile bowler of this era is Norm Duke. The man is amazing. He changes lines from from frame to frame and doesn't miss a beat!