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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: Jeffrevs on March 16, 2004, 03:32:46 PM

Title: Jaros
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 16, 2004, 03:32:46 PM: He's in 3rd place going into today's qualifying......guys, if he makes the show, he's a shoe in! Yes ?

Thoughts...........
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Ernie McCracken on March 17, 2004, 06:33:46 AM: I'd hope so.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Scolai on March 17, 2004, 06:42:03 AM: I would also think so, though I can't imagine a more boring POY. Watching him bowl is about as interesting as watching paint dry. Personally, I'd like to see PDW step up in the round of 16 and run this tournament. The guy is just too darned talented to never have been POY.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: anotherwindup on March 17, 2004, 07:19:54 AM: Boring....Hmmm...I am a high rev player, and I can definately appreciate Steve's game. He can hook the lane if needed, but is deadly accurate. Just because he doesn't throw it like Pete or Robert Smith shouldn't diminish his accomplishments.

You have a PBA card and bowl in professional events? Wow, you should really appreciate his abilities then. The PBA shots are not always condusive to the high power approach to bowling...trust me.

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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: B Pirnie on March 17, 2004, 07:25:22 AM: Winning never gets old
Jaros plays straight on the show because xx9/xx beats 2810 greek church bucket. He is very capable of moving in and hooking the lane if he wants to play them that way.
Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: seadrive on March 17, 2004, 09:54:50 AM: It really depends on who wins this week. If a guy with no titles this year wins, then yes, I'd say Jaros is the favorite. OTOH, if PDW or WRW or Mika should win...

I know Jaros has more titles this year than anyone else, but the fact that he's 11th in points bothers me a bit. Tommy Jones has more points with no wins, meaning he's much more consistently good than Jaros.

If Jaros wins, great, he's POY. If he doesn't win... I don't know.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: REVOLUTIONS PS on March 17, 2004, 03:16:28 PM: I like watching the guy bowl too. He is an excellent bowler and is perhaps an even better ball driller. I like to see what kind of reaction he has set up for himself on a given condition.
Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 17, 2004, 03:27:01 PM: quote:
I know Jaros has more titles this year than anyone else, but the fact that he's 11th in points bothers me a bit. Tommy Jones has more points with no wins, meaning he's much more consistently good than Jaros.

The fact that the guy who has won three times and has been pretty consistent is 11th, ultimately behind a guy who hasn't won at all (Angelo) tells me more about the point system than about Jaros.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: tonybowls on March 17, 2004, 08:09:57 PM: Get off the Jaros bandwagon already!!! If Walter Ray wins this week then he is Player Of The Year and he has a better chance to win this tournament than Jaros does. Remember he won it last year.
Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Rev_O on March 17, 2004, 08:17:50 PM: just remember one thing.....

P.D.W
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Borincano on March 17, 2004, 09:59:03 PM: Now he, Steve Jaros, is the Bowler of the year. In baseball the pitcher with the best record of wins and losses is basically consider the best pitcher. In bowling we have Jaros with the best percentage of tournament wins. Now he is going to show that he is the best bowler. You are the best bowler when you win the most games and tournaments. You can be a big mouth or have a big impressive throw but if you do not win the tournaments. You are not the best. You did not win. The other guy made the game speak for it's self. He wins the game with an accurate game and the objective is to win. This PBA season, up to now, the best bowler is Steve Jaros with his tournament wins.
Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: seadrive on March 18, 2004, 12:15:59 AM: quote:
The fact that the guy who has won three times and has been pretty consistent is 11th, ultimately behind a guy who hasn't won at all (Angelo) tells me more about the point system than about Jaros.

What does it tell you about the point system, PM? That winners don't get awarded as many points as they should?

The only way that Jaros could fail to be in the top 8, with three titles this year, is that many of his other performances were, ummmm... not so good, like:

Banquet Open 74th
KC Classic 139th
Miller Open 52nd
Pepsi Open 113th
Phila Open 89th

Right?

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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: hotwire13 on March 18, 2004, 12:41:09 AM: i agree...consistency should rank above titles...and if youre good enough to win 3 times but not finish high in points, then thats a mark of inconsistency. angelo has cashed in all tournaments but one, if im not to be mistaken, and has been in the finals a number of times this year. this award is called player of the YEAR...not player of the TOURNAMENT. brian himmler won a tournament...now hes struggling to barely stay in the top 50. robert smith won two tournaments, yet hes barely in the top 20. winning can sometimes have to do with a player being great at a specific condition of the 5 pba shots...but does winning a tournament or two on that shot mean he has had the best season?...or does that title belong to someone who has finished in the money every tournament?...over the long haul, weber and angelo have had the two best years, although even weber has had his struggles. if the tour is going to go by the points system to create exemptions, it should use that standing to determine poy. unless someone in a very close 2nd or 3rd(possibly weber or walter ray) has won 2 or 3 more tourneys than the person ahead of them(angelo), the points leader should be the poy. and if angelo finishes in the top 5 along with either weber and/or williams, and none of the candidates for poy win, then the decision is going to be very debatable. if any of those three or jaros or mika do win, the title will be theirs.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 18, 2004, 12:56:23 PM: I think Angelo and Jaros should be roughly the same in points -- the difference between the two is what I have problems with. Frankly, Jaros's struggles early in the year and then his problems at the U.S. Open and Reno mean that he shouldn't be the points leader. But I disagree with the general point that consistency should be rewarded far more than titles. Consistency is professional and impressive, but titles and money are what pros bowl for. Put directly, Jaros "cashed" in 14 of the 20 tournaments he entered. He made the match play in 9 of those. Angelo made match play in 17 and cashed in 18. The difference in making and not making match play is not that much...very often, less than a break a set. 14 vs 18 is not that big a difference. 9 vs 17 is. Jaros also won three times, Angelo has yet to win. Angelo's average is better: 220.98 (which I think is the best argument for him), while Jaros's average is "only" 218.66. Jaros has won $156,300. Angelo has won $98,250. I think Angelo would say getting a title would mean more than the points lead.

Nonetheless, I think one would say both have had great years and most of us would probably rather have had the year Jaros had, all told. You don't make the Hall cashing, you make it winning, which Angelo, given his talent is likely to do loads of in the future.

So what is my point? My point is that there is not a big enough premium in points for winning and finishing second. I actually think there should be a larger points premium for winning and slightly smaller money premium. I simply don't understand a system where the point leader has no wins, but 18 cashes, 4 TV appearances, and 17 match play appearances over: (a) a player with a higher average, more than twice the earnings, two wins, five TV appearances, two seconds, a major, 17 cashes, 13 match play appearances, and (b) a player with a higher average, two wins, more than twice the earnings, 12 match play appearances, six TV appearances, and 15 cashes. Call me strange, but it seems to me, something is out of kilter.
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: seadrive on March 18, 2004, 01:12:15 PM: quote:
So what is my point? My point is that there is not a big enough premium in points for winning and finishing second.

Geez PM, that's what I asked you. All you had to do was say, "Yes".

Trying to make sure Jeffrevs doesn't read your posts?
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Fatboy8 on March 19, 2004, 12:29:07 PM: Steve Jaros- PBA Player of the Year!! I see it already, and he's deserves it as much as anyone else. Man I wish I had his easy going game!! LOL!!
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Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: debs130 on March 19, 2004, 12:38:49 PM: Bob,

Jaros may be the only contender in the round of 32, but don't forget about the other contenders in the round of super 16 (top 8 players in points are automatically seeded into that round).

Debbie
Title: Re: Jaros
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 19, 2004, 05:43:47 PM: Well, he just made the Super 16. Took Rick Lawrence in 4 straight.

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