Author Topic: Jason Belmonte? Chris Barnes? (Read 10844 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** January 15, 2015, 10:03:34 AM »

After dominating the last two years? What is going on with Superstar Belmonte this year?

Technique, injury, new specs on balls fir two handers? When talking to those in the know I had heard that Belmonte would dominate so much in the later parts of blocks much of the last two years it was unprecedented. What's happened?

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS after watching Chris Barnes so often the last 10 years on tour....where is he?

avabob · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2015, 10:44:55 AM »

Good question. I don't think the weight hole issue had any impact. It is possible the trend to longer patterns in the tournaments impacted Belmonte to some extent.

Joker-1 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2015, 10:53:58 AM »

I know on xtraframe there was talk about the pairs not going well. Some had actual lane issues where some of the wood was uneven or something like that

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:11:54 AM »

Over the years many come and go quickly with great two year runs. The ability to remain on top is harder then people give credit to. Tommy Jones and Wes Mallot had similar runs. Time will tell.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:38:17 AM »

Barnes recent switch to Global900 may be the answer to his missing from TV. He said he wasn't matching up well with the latest Columbia300 balls. That was the reason he moved to Global and probably why he wasn't on TV. I would expect he might need some time to transition to Global and then we will see if he returns to TV. If yes, then the balls were the problem. If no, it might be that as he gets older his skill have dimished just enough that he won't be on TV as much as before. I think it's more the former than the latter.

As far as Belmo, He just missed TV last week, I believe. His missing TV could be somewhat due to the fact that the competition is stiffer then ever before. Guys like Ronnie Russell are making multiple shows where in the past he made one a season, maybe. You have newcomers like EJ Tackett, Anthony Pepe, and others who are taking spots on TV. I think it's too early to say one way or the other on him. But I believe he is competitive in tournaments, so it might just be he got some unlucky breaks here or there. Or others have gotten lucky breaks to move around him. Time will tell.

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:45:58 AM »

We also need to remember that the World Series has always been a crap-shoot. If you match up well in that center at that time, you can make multiple shows and kill it. If you don't match up well at that center, you're often frozen out and screwed.

This isn't meant to be an excuse, but you have to remember that we're talking about the best bowlers in the world. It's not as easy for the cream to rise to the top anymore because the formats are so much shorter than they were in the past. Back in the day, you earned your way onto a show after 16 games of qualifying and a whole bunch of round-robin or head-to-head match play. Now you pretty much just have the qualifying and a cut. You also used to have a stop each weekend in a different venue, so you had a few days off between events and a whole new center to try to match up to. Now, they're in Vegas for a solid week bowling every day. If you're a little bit off, there is no time to gather yourself and get ready for the next event.

In the end, Barnes and Belmo are still two of the best in the world. Sure, the World Series didn't go all that great for them, but I don't think that we've heard the last of them. lol

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:48:16 AM »

In 2014 Belmonte won the Masters, TOC and another title, led points and earnings. Since he didn't make a show at the last WSOB he had a bad year? Remember they bowl all the WSOB tournaments in a little over a week's time. A bad timed sniffle and you can be done in for the week.

ITZPS · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2015, 12:34:43 PM »

I got absolutely blasted on another site for mentioning that Barnes didn't like the latest C300 stuff . . apparently if you don't have quotes in writing and notorized, you're irresponsibly spreading gossip and rumors . .

Quote from: Jorge300 on January 15, 2015, 11:38:17 AM

Barnes recent switch to Global900 may be the answer to his missing from TV. He said he wasn't matching up well with the latest Columbia300 balls. That was the reason he moved to Global and probably why he wasn't on TV. I would expect he might need some time to transition to Global and then we will see if he returns to TV. If yes, then the balls were the problem. If no, it might be that as he gets older his skill have dimished just enough that he won't be on TV as much as before. I think it's more the former than the latter.

As far as Belmo, He just missed TV last week, I believe. His missing TV could be somewhat due to the fact that the competition is stiffer then ever before. Guys like Ronnie Russell are making multiple shows where in the past he made one a season, maybe. You have newcomers like EJ Tackett, Anthony Pepe, and others who are taking spots on TV. I think it's too early to say one way or the other on him. But I believe he is competitive in tournaments, so it might just be he got some unlucky breaks here or there. Or others have gotten lucky breaks to move around him. Time will tell.

bradl · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2015, 01:11:20 PM »

With Barnes, wasn't the World Men's Bowling championships occurring at the same time that the WSOB was taking place? I know he bowled that, along with O'Neill, Jones, and Rash in Abu Dhabi.

As far as C300 equipment not matching up for him, I believe he won the 50th Qubica/AMF World Cup using C300 equipment; IIRC, C300 swept that, as Clara Guerrero won the women's World Cup as well.

He's always been a humble guy and has put representing Team USA up before the PBA, or even traveling for the WBT tournaments (bigger payout). But the Global deal didn't really "start" until the beginning of this year, so the TeamUSA trials was the first anyone saw of him throwing it, so that does lend some viability to it being that Global was not PBA registered as to why he hasn't been on the PBA. shows.

I think before asking "Where has Chris Barnes been?", a listen to the interviews he and Lynda did with Jim Flanagan would be revealing as to what he's been doing, and why he's been doing it.

As far as Belmo goes, Jorge300 is spot on. To be honest, you could ask the same questions to PDW, WRWJ, Shafer, and others. Just because we haven't seen them on the finals, doesn't mean they still aren't competitive in the tournaments. They're there, and we haven't seen the last of them.

BL.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2015, 01:31:54 PM »

Um, on Chris Barnes, just wanted a quick answer from our knowledgeable peple out here instead of doing any research. Thanks to all. Just finished watching his and Linda's great form on my Mark Baker the System and had gotten used to seeing him multiple times a year.

As to Belmo, I believe a good/great two hander has an advantage (that's why I have been blessed with two sons now doing that and quite well I might add!) and missed seeing him on TV nearly every week! I had heard people fom last year speaking of his late block dominance and was very surprised to have not seen that him at all on the Sunday telecasts.

Thanks for the insight to all! Never even paid attention to what the WSOB was/is since I won't be bowling in it this year, or probably even next! (ha ha)! Just set my DVR and watched what I believed was this Week's tournament on TV.

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS working lightly on my own, Two handed Righty game!
PPS kudos to this week's unnamed winner of the PBA World Title....! What a style!

Rye30016 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2015, 02:03:35 PM »

How about horrible short game formats? Even the World Cahampionships is tough because it's not a major pattern but a collection of the others. Belmont has always had some issues with short patterns so no surprise that those days hurt him. Look at who is making TV, the talent is really lacking overall. Just wait for US Open and TOC and stuff like that, Barnes and Belmont will be right back near the top.

Ken De Beasto · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2015, 08:29:20 PM »

I don't think the format had anything to do with Chris barnes and belmo not making the show. The guys that did make the show were shooting 60% strike rate. Belmo and Chris are top notch bowlers but check out the team USA trials lots of upcoming good bowlers on it's way especially the youth bowlers.

northface28 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2015, 11:29:23 PM »

Quote from: ITZPS on January 15, 2015, 12:34:43 PM

I got absolutely blasted on another site for mentioning that Barnes didn't like the latest C300 stuff . . apparently if you don't have quotes in writing and notorized, you're irresponsibly spreading gossip and rumors . .

Quote from: Jorge300 on January 15, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
Barnes recent switch to Global900 may be the answer to his missing from TV. He said he wasn't matching up well with the latest Columbia300 balls. That was the reason he moved to Global and probably why he wasn't on TV. I would expect he might need some time to transition to Global and then we will see if he returns to TV. If yes, then the balls were the problem. If no, it might be that as he gets older his skill have dimished just enough that he won't be on TV as much as before. I think it's more the former than the latter.

As far as Belmo, He just missed TV last week, I believe. His missing TV could be somewhat due to the fact that the competition is stiffer then ever before. Guys like Ronnie Russell are making multiple shows where in the past he made one a season, maybe. You have newcomers like EJ Tackett, Anthony Pepe, and others who are taking spots on TV. I think it's too early to say one way or the other on him. But I believe he is competitive in tournaments, so it might just be he got some unlucky breaks here or there. Or others have gotten lucky breaks to move around him. Time will tell.

These some dolts say "pros can strike with rocks, the balls don't matter", umm, yes, they do matter. In a game thats predicated on matchups you would think they would grasp this concept.

ITZPS · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2015, 07:19:04 AM »

Barnes is so good that even bad equipment isn't going to shut him out . . so the fact that he still won here and there isn't surprising, but for somebody as good as he is, we should have been seeing a lot more of him.

I have a buddy that was on Columbia's staff the last couple years, and having drilled all of his stuff AND bowling league and tournaments with him, a lot of the equipment had a super heavy midlane read and lazy backend reaction. That doesn't really suit Barnes' game, he has no trouble creating midlane. That's why he likes the Respect so much right now, it's clean through the fronts, revs up later, and he can play closer to the pocket while still getting punch on the back.

Quote from: bradl on January 15, 2015, 01:11:20 PM

With Barnes, wasn't the World Men's Bowling championships occurring at the same time that the WSOB was taking place? I know he bowled that, along with O'Neill, Jones, and Rash in Abu Dhabi.

As far as C300 equipment not matching up for him, I believe he won the 50th Qubica/AMF World Cup using C300 equipment; IIRC, C300 swept that, as Clara Guerrero won the women's World Cup as well.

He's always been a humble guy and has put representing Team USA up before the PBA, or even traveling for the WBT tournaments (bigger payout). But the Global deal didn't really "start" until the beginning of this year, so the TeamUSA trials was the first anyone saw of him throwing it, so that does lend some viability to it being that Global was not PBA registered as to why he hasn't been on the PBA. shows.

I think before asking "Where has Chris Barnes been?", a listen to the interviews he and Lynda did with Jim Flanagan would be revealing as to what he's been doing, and why he's been doing it.

As far as Belmo goes, Jorge300 is spot on. To be honest, you could ask the same questions to PDW, WRWJ, Shafer, and others. Just because we haven't seen them on the finals, doesn't mean they still aren't competitive in the tournaments. They're there, and we haven't seen the last of them.

BL.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2015, 08:37:50 AM »

I agree with ITZPS assessment of Barnes game, ability to create midlane.

I am loved the look of the Moxies and Respects I have seen on video but both midlane and backend were my impression. I am surprised not a ton of midlane based on videos and that core spec and shape!

Regards,

Luckylefty

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