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Title: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: rymacatthedisco on March 31, 2009, 08:41:34 AM
ok, i am sure i will get flammed for saying this and get the well you arent out there bowling and blah blah, if you really think i know nothing about bowling, then that is your choice. i know a lot, not the most and thats the best part still learning.

anyways, i want to know what the point of paying the entry fee of what 300, 400, 500 bucks is to bowl the U.S. Open or any other major event that is open to all and then average 129, 130, 140...why would you want to waste that kind of money to just say "HEY! i bowled the US OPEN" sure its cool to cross with the pros and stuff like that, but go bowl the pro-am if you want to do that...

to me it just seems like a lot of money to waste, am i jealous, absolutely! i dont have the money to fly out there and pay the entry fee otherwise i would! but my main thought is, these guys at the bottom have to know going in they dont stand a chance, why not give that money to someone they know is a good bowler who cant afford it and let them bowl...be a backer to someone so that way at least the money might have chance to be put to good use...

I dont know just my thought on it...scream and yell at me all you want...i do give these guys credit for sticking it out, but it just has to be difficult to know you are shooting 100's even 90's while there are 200's everywhere else...i mean 90?! come on...one spare...wow
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: leftyinsnellville on March 31, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
Same reason some dudes pay a ton of money to participate in fantasy baseball camps with the pros...they might suck, but I bet they're having a lot of fun.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: coasterp on March 31, 2009, 05:43:03 PM
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Or it could be...."Hey, I average 230 on my Tuesday Night Scratch league. I can bowl on this stuff!"


This is probably a pretty accurate statement. Then reality sets in as they implode on the lanes.
Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: nutsforbowling on March 31, 2009, 06:08:11 PM
Most amatuers would be better off traveling a little south of the Open site and putting all the money for the entry fee on black in Atlantic City. Better odds.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on March 31, 2009, 06:17:39 PM
you guys are right. that THS is nothing compared to the us open pattern.



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Or it could be...."Hey, I average 230 on my Tuesday Night Scratch league. I can bowl on this stuff!"


This is probably a pretty accurate statement. Then reality sets in as they implode on the lanes.

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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: charlest on March 31, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
It's the challenge of it and the competition. They don't expect to win. They do expect to compete.

I know guys who are averaging 170 and do it every year.
I know a guy who due to family committments (6 kids) can't afford the money or the time to bowl it now, but did it every year when he could. He just tried to get to 200. He LOVES bowling. It's his only free time activity.

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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: charlest on March 31, 2009, 06:49:48 PM
The US Open is the most brutal bowling I have ever seen. The only thing that came close was the Petersen.

For the past two years I have gone down to Carolier, about 35 minutes from me to watch several squads. If I recall correctly, each year I posted how badly I felt for most of the bowlers there. To say, "My heart bleeds for them" is not putting it too mildly.

I'll be going down tomorrow (Wednesday) morning and afternoon to watch again. I'll probably post a few comments but I doubt it will be much different from what I said above.

I just noted that one guy who 2 weeks ago won our County Open has averaged 174 for his first 6 games.

If you have a fragile bowling ego, do not enter this tournament.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: bassnatzii on March 31, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
for those of you going to watch
a few ppl that bowl in my area if you all can let me know how things are going for them

Dean Richards bowls for lindenwood college team
Brett Cunningham bowls for lindenwood college team
Brian Valenta
Scott Lavy
Ricky Mutsko Jr

these are all guys I bowl with or around

Thanks
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: normy on March 31, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
I'm not trying to flame ya but you admit that you would do it if you had the money. They do have the money so they do it. You answered your ownquestion.    
 Just because someone isn't a pro doesn't mean they don't want to get better. My average jumped 10 pins after I bowled in a pba experience league. It taught me something. Just like bowling around pros on one of the toughest shots out there will teach them a thing or two about pressure I'm sure.
Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: heavyarty on March 31, 2009, 07:40:36 PM
the pattern they are bowling on isnt no cake walk.if u miss ur going to shoot 100's best thing to do is make spares and try to grind out
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: Atochabsh on March 31, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
Most people know they will not cash.  And most people don't.  Especially if you are averaging 190 - 210.  That group is in the same division as the Norm Dukes, Pete Webers, Carolyn Dorin Ballard and all the other pros that also participate in this tournament.  

But pretty much the same can be said for the lower division.  You'd have to have a really really good day.  Possibly a career day of bowling.  

Most people that participate work it into a vacation and its become tradition for them.  Soem of these people have been bowling in this event for over 50 years.  The bowling results is just part of the experience.  Granted its expensive, but so is a Broadway show, Vegas shows and Disneyworld.  

I've only bowled it a couple times for the same reason as you.  I'm not that blessed with money and only go when its within driving distance.  I'll be making the 8 hour drive to Vegas this summer and we will meet up with relatives from TX that will be on our team.  I'm sorry that your financial budget can't fit it in.  I do know how you feel.  Its tough these days.  You'd probably enjoy it too.  Even if you don't cash.  I'm sure your savy money sense has allowed you some perks in other areas.  

Erin
Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: charlest on March 31, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
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for those of you going to watch
a few ppl that bowl in my area if you all can let me know how things are going for them

Dean Richards bowls for lindenwood college team
Brett Cunningham bowls for lindenwood college team
Brian Valenta
Scott Lavy
Ricky Mutsko Jr

these are all guys I bowl with or around

Thanks
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: rymacatthedisco on April 01, 2009, 11:20:17 AM
brian valenta is from lockport illinois where i grew up...great bowler even with his extra 40 lbs he has put on lol
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: justanotherlefty805 on April 01, 2009, 11:32:13 AM
40? try about 80 lol but he still can throw the rock and the his first block at the open surprises me cause this is his type of tourney. When they are dirty he just lofts it 40 ft down the lane
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: gsback on April 01, 2009, 12:41:05 PM
For most bowlers, what's the difference between doing the US Open and Nationals??  I've never bowled it....but have heard many times that the expectation shouldn't be that you'll be going in and coming out with a 200+ average.

So.....why bother on either of them??
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: charlest on April 01, 2009, 03:53:02 PM
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For most bowlers, what's the difference between doing the US Open and Nationals??  I've never bowled it....but have heard many times that the expectation shouldn't be that you'll be going in and coming out with a 200+ average.

So.....why bother on either of them??
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I average between 195 and 205.
At Nationals i just dropped below 190 because I got lucky in minors the last two years and saw no condition.
At the US Open I'd be thrilled to average 170. Just came back from there 30 minutes ago. 90% of the bowlers are suffering greatly, intensely. If you average scratch, 200, at the US Open, you are a great bowler.

HUGE difference in the oil pattern of both events.

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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: gsback on April 01, 2009, 04:50:58 PM
charlest,

I probably should have elaborated a little more.

In talking with a lot of the bowlers I know that go to the Nationals, you are paying for flight, food, brackets (maybe) and bowling.....and there is no guarantee you are going to get anything back.

To me, though both may be enjoyable, the end result is the same.....paying for something with the possibility of making nothing back.

I would do either just for the enjoyment of it....plain and simply put.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on April 01, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
The lane conditions are entirely different. Nationals have a fair shot, gutter to gutter with a small crown in the center, while the US Open is a 40' flat pattern, that for 1/3 of your qualifying you have to bowl on the  "burn" or after another squad has already bowled 6 games on it. Guys with hand are lofting the gutter cap by the 2nd or 3rd game of that block.
You could call the US Open "challenging", but I wouldn't exactly call it "fun".
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charlest

I probably should have elaborated a little more.

In talking with a lot of the bowlers I know that go to the Nationals, you are paying for flight, food, brackets (maybe) and bowling.....and there is no guarantee you are going to get anything back.

To me, though both may be enjoyable, the end result is the same.....paying for something with the possibility of making nothing back.

I would do either just for the enjoyment of it....plain and simply put.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: completebowler on April 01, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
It is much easier to cash at Nationals then it is in the U.S. open.
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Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: NoseofRI on April 01, 2009, 05:06:20 PM
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charlest,

I probably should have elaborated a little more.

In talking with a lot of the bowlers I know that go to the Nationals, you are paying for flight, food, brackets (maybe) and bowling.....and there is no guarantee you are going to get anything back.

To me, though both may be enjoyable, the end result is the same.....paying for something with the possibility of making nothing back.

I would do either just for the enjoyment of it....plain and simply put.
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g thing is back....with a vengeance!!  

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In bowling Nationals there is an extremely better chance at cashing and getting money back than at the US Open.  The thing about Nationals is that the THB that averages 230 can go there find a good pair and shoot 700+ in a set and make a ton of money in both cashing in the tourmament itself and brackets.  The US Open is 18 games over 3 days bowling on fresh twice and burn once.  You either make the first cut and have a chance to go farther or you go home.
Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: storm making it rain on April 01, 2009, 05:09:55 PM
my brother asked me what i thought i could shoot on the open pattern.  my response was "not 230 because thats what it will take to make the show" like we all know these guys are that good..look at norm duke making it look like a house shot at 235 after 12 games.  im in hopes for chris forry from buddies proshop also he's a great guy and im also hoping my all time favorite amleto monacelli continues his early run at it
Title: Re: just a thought...about bowling the open...
Post by: bassnatzii on April 01, 2009, 05:26:23 PM
only reason i asked to check on those, is at work i can check this place out but not there?  thats why asking

btw dole why arnt you there mr house record holder
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current arsenal all 15lbs
Morich Awesome Finish
Morich Shock & Awe
Morich LevRG
MOrich LevRG (differnt drill)
Roto Grip Quest
Brunswick vizaball Ichiro




---FOR SALE---

Roto Grip Odysee 15lb (4 sale)
Roto Grip Cell 15lb (4 sale)
Ebonite Preditor 14lb (4 sale)

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