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C_J
« on: December 09, 2005, 05:37:13 AM »
What happened to him?  He seemed to have a great shot in the round of 32 now he just got swept from Mika.  Ouch!  I was hoping to see him on there too.  I wanna see PDW and Tommy Jones now.
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Re: C_J
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2005, 03:14:01 PM »
Alot alot alot alot alot alot alot slicker.........IT is funny out here on tour the way lanes change. Over the course of the week you see these things happen. That's why these guys are the best in the world and we try and beat them. Unfortunately I didn't have really anything at all. Oh well, next week in New York then home to DALLAS!!!!!!!
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Re: C_J
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2005, 03:16:30 PM »
Too bad C_J, I was hoping to see you in the finals. Hope things go better next week.

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Re: C_J
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2005, 03:51:36 PM »
Hey C_J,

I think you attitude is really great when things didn't go very well for you today.. Thats why one day you are gonna be a force on the PBA Tour!!

Keep your chin up and go get em next week in the big apple!!

Later,

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Re: C_J
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2005, 03:55:01 PM »
I agree with Jim.  I don't think I'd be able to make light of lanes switching so much from day to day, even throwing in a compliment about the guys beating me.
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Re: C_J
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2005, 04:07:31 PM »
C_J
It appeared pretty darn obvious that you didn't have anything. Kinda like Parker on last week's show!
It's interesting to us bystanders to hear about how much the lanes change from set to set - yet we're told over and over that the condition remains the same the whole week.
I'd be curious to know why the changes from set to set...
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Re: C_J
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2005, 04:26:24 PM »
Well, I guess I got my question answered - from brunswickinsiders.com
http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBATour/PBATournaments/2006tournaments/Mechanicsburg/Qualifyingroundsmech.htm

 
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    I have tried to type this several times only to delete it because it sounded too political or accusatory. After trying several different times I have given up. If it offends someone I can not worry about it. I always want this website to provide insight and opinions being expressed from an insiders point of view. The issue is lane maintenance.
It takes a strong personality to be a lane man. You can not possibly win. No matter the results somebody is going to be confused, frustrated or upset that certain styles have a distinct advantage. I can't argue that point because it is correct. And this article is not intended to support either side of that argument. At different levels of the sport I might consider lane maintenance bias to be unfair. At the professional level it should not even be an issue because professional bowlers are at the elite level of our sport and part of being identified as a professional is the ability to compete on any condition. There is a certain group of bowlers that can do just that. These are the true icons of the sport.

There are some great bowlers that are more conditional than others and every bowler will go through times of confusion. There is still a large number of bowlers on tour that don't believe in developing a wider range of skills. They prefer to stay sharp at what they do so they are ready to win when they see something they like. That alone is a sensitive issue when working with professional bowlers. There is an increasing number of bowlers that are more versatile but until every bowler on tour has that versatility I see no way to avoid lane maintenance frustrations and bias.

I want this article to express the issues not defend or prosecute. The facts are this.

1. For the third week in a row the lane conditioning procedures are not providing consistency from practice to qualifying and round to round.

2. There are common transition characteristics on tour today that have always been an issue of discussion and debate. They may be exaggerated because of today's equipment.

3. No matter what lane machine, lane oil, or pattern there seems to be a common characteristic on tour that I have witnessed for the last 3 years.

Once again I am not taking the approach of defending or prosecuting. I will expand on the three issues with more detail.

Number one
For the third week in a row the lane conditioning procedures are not providing consistency from practice to qualifying and round to round.

At the beginning of the year everybody expected the new lane machine was going to be a very important change. The PBA chose to maintain the same pattern names but it is not possible to just download the old patterns into the new machine because it is an entirely different technology. Nobody really cares if they are the same as last year but consistency throughout the week is a very important aspect. What we saw for the first three tournaments was a pleasant surprise. The consistency was very close. After experiencing poor consistency last year we were gaining more confidence in the ability to use the practice session to develop more detailed game plans. And the consistency between rounds was much more evident.

Not that everybody liked the competitive environment but the consistency was very close the first three weeks. Week four was the Masters tournament and the PBA was not responsible for the lane maintenance. The PBA picked up those responsibilities in Vernon Hills the week after the Masters. And after experiencing three more tournament practice to qualifying opportunities I have to give them the lowest grade I have witnessed in several years. Why? I do not know and again I am not trying to defend or prosecute. It has been almost impossible to prepare for the qualifying rounds based on ball reaction during the practice rounds. And the round to round consistency has been poor with Hammond being the worst of the three tournaments.  

 Number Two
There are common transition characteristics on tour today that have always been an issue of discussion and debate. They may be exaggerated because of today's equipment.

The PBA has a very talented roster present at every tournament and each year the roster seems to include a higher percentage of high speed/high rev players. It is virtually impossible for these styles to stay parallel wit the lane. Almost all of them have 8 to 12 boards of head belly, no matter what the pattern is. The provides a totally different break down transition than you would see from a different group of styles. The fact that the large number of bowlers with this type of speed/rev ratio creates a common transition characteristic no matter what the pattern is. I witnessed the same discussions and debates back before resin and particle balls. The discussions are almost always how tight the lanes get down lane and how dry the heads get. This is really evident in longer formats with larger fields. The qualifying rounds are almost always about bowlers who can match up to theses types of transitions. This is also why we see so many of the top seeded players loose in the early rounds. The field is not helping the player transition the lanes they are competing on. They are forced to play the pattern, surface and there own breakdown. There is a growing number of professionals that are beginning to understand this. That is providing some very interesting matches or strategy and versatility.

Number Three
No matter what lane machine, lane oil, or pattern there seems to be a common characteristic on tour that I have witnessed for the last 3 years.

This characteristic is more specific to present tour conditions. The practice of providing more friction in the front part of the lane compounds the effects of carry down. I am not sure exactly what the reason is but for the last three years the most common characteristic of the lane maintenance strategy has been to provide earlier friction on the lane than normal. When bowlers experience this the patterns become more roll specific and cover/core choices are more confusing to bowlers. It can look as if the bowler needs a stronger ball when in reality they need a weaker ball. Under these circumstances the stronger ball will hook less than the weaker ball. Looking for this balance is always the challenge. This is also one of the reason bowlers from different environments struggle when they attempt to compete in the tour environment. You will also notice certain styles of players migrate to the top and the same goes for ball choices. Certain cover-stocks tend to look better with different front to back tapers of oil. Lane maintenance practices on tour are more about understanding these tapers than manipulating the playing surface laterally. Professional bowlers can play many different angles but if a bowlers release and ball choices don't match up to the front to back taper their chances of winning are greatly reduced.

The last two weeks have been very good examples of an increase in friction in the front part of the lane. Some like it some don't.

Remember this is not intended to defend or prosecute.

Take a look at the different names and styles of the last few weeks and in many cases it can be related to their physical game or ball options available. It is interesting to keep and eye on these changes.

Well it is late and I need to get some shut eye before the matches begin in the morning. Assuming the snow stops between now and then. As hard as it is coming down right now I can only imagine how difficult it will be to get to the bowl in the morning.
     

 


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Re: C_J
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2005, 11:01:01 PM »
Not to sound like a newb, I just dont know who is what around here. From reading past posts. Is C_J a PBA member with the name of Chris Johnson?

I appologize if this is offensive, its not what i intended. I'm just curious and would like to clear it up for myself.
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Re: C_J
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2005, 11:13:24 PM »
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Not to sound like a newb, I just dont know who is what around here. From reading past posts. Is C_J a PBA member with the name of Chris Johnson?

I appologize if this is offensive, its not what i intended. I'm just curious and would like to clear it up for myself.

Yes, it's Chris Johnson.

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Re: C_J
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2005, 07:03:47 AM »
This brings up a topic I've been wanting to address for sometime...  In terms of bowlers with the high revs/speed.  I'm not trying to be critical or a know-it-all, just meerly going by my observations.  

This spring I went to visit a college which is known for turning out some of the best bowlers in search of landing a scholarship.  I met with the coaches and had my game evaluated, and one of the things they wanted me to work on was adding more power to my game.  I watched as they coached some of their other bowlers and to be honest I wasn't happy with what I saw.  One girl was being encouraged to heighted her backswing which was already high, and it was obvious it was a struggle for her.  To be fair they may have been looking at a different issue, but I remember being told that "We don't try to take a cookie cutter approach to our bowlers." but what I saw looked a lot like a cookie cutter approach.  

What got me thinking is, I remember I think Pedersen commenting on how a lot of bowlers coming out of these bowling universities have a lot of problems adjusting to the PBA Tour, since most of them are very powerful they have to learn to tone down their game in order to match up to the conditions better.  A lot of the most successful bowlers on tour obviously throw a strong ball, but they are far from what would be considered a power player.  

My second observation comes on the topic of lane minipulation.  At the school I visited, the guest speaker spoke at length about how to use teamwork to blow open a hole in the pattern in order to optimize scoring.  This of course included using heavy sanded balls to create area so they could use a certain portion of the lane.  Ya know, Brian Voss' fav tactic  Anyways, I was surprised since most philosophies seem to say that you should bowl what the lane gives you, thats what seperates the men from the boys.  The ability to read and play what the lane gives you.  This seems to oppose that philosophy, basically saying if the lanes don't play the way you like, fix'em.  

Reading a lot of CJ's posts are insightful, and I wish more pro's were around to comment on this.  Do you think that these philosophies contribte to a lot of what we see on the PBA tour, and second do you think they are beneficial or harmful in the long run, either to the bowlers or the tour?  By harmful bowlerwise I mean in the sense of training people to become a powerplayer instead of optomizing their natural talent, whether power or stroker.  By harmful tourwise, I mean in terms of the field being filled with lots of power players and teaching them to blow holes in lines to play the lanes, rather than playing whats out there and adjusting to it?  


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