Post by: bowlingforfun on February 29, 2004, 12:11:09 AM
Post by: Bjaardker on February 29, 2004, 10:43:40 PM
There really isn't anything a pro would get from Lane#1 that they couldn't get from somewhere else.
The reason I say this is that as far as I know Lane#1 doesn't have incentive money on the line for pros to use their equipment.
I know if I were a pro I would use whoever was willing to pay me if I win.
Post by: Saw Mill on February 29, 2004, 11:00:16 PM
Dave
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If You Are Not Using a BuzzSaw, All You Get is SAW-dusted!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 01, 2004, 06:36:45 AM
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If I ever were to go pro, I would take the deal that Richie offered Walter "greedy" Ray Jr.; free equipment!! I could care less about incentive money, as long as I or my sponsor had my fees and expenses covered.
There's the flaw in your comment Dave.........first of all, it's "couldn't care less"
...........but,......the flaw is that Lane1 said 'free equipment'....then you said , as long as I have a sponser to pay my fees and expenses...but that's NOT what Lane1 offered him........I'm NO WRW fan, but I don't blame him........he's the best bowler in the world,....give 'em a little
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JEFF
Rebuilding my game one mid-to-upper-500 series at a time !!
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on March 01, 2004, 11:57:08 AM
I guess I would be greedy to. I hate it when people pay me money to make stuff look good. I garuntee that a few extra Phenom Unleasheds have been sold because he is throwing them primarily every week.
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 01, 2004, 10:54:47 PM
Post by: michelle on March 04, 2004, 09:17:13 AM
As to the network exposure, the show is 90-120 minutes long, but most bowlers are not on for the entire amount of time, so it negates the 15 hours of advertising time.
On the issue of free equipment, some may downplay it, but to be competitive at that level, there are several who drill up a lot of new equipment on a weekly basis...that is a big difference from the upper echelon league or local tourney bowler that might get the occasional comp. Even to someone with a previous record like WRW can end each week with a hefty tab on the truck, and I don't know how long the PBA lets those tabs run before requiring payment...they may want a check at the end of each week. Perhaps someone with PBA national experience can chime in...
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 04, 2004, 09:07:52 PM
Post by: michelle on March 04, 2004, 09:26:54 PM
Columbia was the largest creditor listed in the matrix with the others primarily being attorneys that had handled certain matters pertaining to Old Track (back when they were based in Ohio). Supposedly it is not going to impact Track's presence in the bowling marketplace...
In some of those older threads, I also posted the Cause Number in the Bankruptcy Court (San Antonio)...
Post by: lane1lefty on March 04, 2004, 09:27:35 PM
Post by: shark300 on March 04, 2004, 09:47:30 PM
Post by: bamaster on March 04, 2004, 10:29:38 PM
Re: Lane 1 Tour staffers, this isn't the first time this question has been asked and won't be the last. Walter is an exception because he's so good. Yes, he asks for a salary if you want him on staff. Last year he threw Dyno-thane and Columbia as a free agent, no salaries, but he did get incentive money for using the equipment on the shows. If Lane 1 can't pay an extra $5-10K for television exposure then they don't deserve to be there.
The very simple truth of the matter is... you almost NEVER see Buzzsaws being used by the touring pros even during qualifying. Forget the show, let's talk about the bowlers who are trying to bowl the very best they can... to knock down the most pins that they can... to make a check... to make matchplay... to make the show... to win. During qualifying, free agents have to throw something and if it's not given to them they almost all have sponsors who will buy them anything they want... to knock the most pins down... to win. Price is of no concern to bowlers who are trying to win. Price is irrelevent for a bowler trying to make the exemption for next year. The only thing that matters is a ball that will help them bowl their very best.
The real question, knowing all this is... why aren't Buzzsaws being thrown?
My answer? Because regardless how the Lane 1 disciples here feels, the bowlers who are trying to make a living against the very best do not believe it is a better product. Not that it's a bad product, but that it is not in any way superior. To me, it is absolutely that simple.
Flame on!
Tony
http://www.allBowling.com
Post by: bamaster on March 04, 2004, 10:46:09 PM
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Why does noone ever complain about Brunswick? After all, they are the creators of the Quantum, the 1st ball over the $200 plateau.
Huh? EVERYONE complained about the price of the Quantums. The truth got out quick that it was just another Brunswick ball and last I heard the company is no longer in business.
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Why own an Acura over a Honda, they are after all the same company. It's about personal choice.
Not a fair analogy. Acura is owned by Honda but they are very different comapnies. An Acura may be built in the same factory on the same platform sharing a majority of the sme mechanical parts. However the features like GPS, heated seats, wood trim, chrome wheels, etc.. is where most of the price comes from.
Like why would anyone buy a completely crappy vehicle like the Hummer H2? It's a Chevy Tahoe in disguise that gets 12 mpg. Yes, there are some features they try to justify the price difference, but it's mainly IMAGE. They can justify the price because it says H2 on the car and not Tahoe.
Lane 1 knows people are willing to pay for "implied quality" and for exclusive status. Designer jeans have been doing this forever. Versace, Armani, Prada, etc... they all sell casual denim in the $300 range. And they get it because the buyers believe it to be better... and exclusive. Yes it's ridiculous. But it's not because they are not good jeans, it is because they are not any better.
/end rant
Tony
Post by: WSUstroker on March 04, 2004, 10:52:12 PM
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Dan Chambers
Winona State University Bowling
Post by: tburky on March 05, 2004, 10:27:16 PM
Edited on 3/5/2004 11:23 PM
Post by: DreadPirateRoberts on March 06, 2004, 08:58:02 AM
nowhere did the guy ask about Lane 1 or it's price. He just asked who is throwing it.
Then you have Dave.. let me tell you that statement was the most uneducated thing I have ever read from you. the greatest bowler of all time wants his fair market share and that is the business of sports. it not a game to them, it feeds thier families. when you find the magical fairy godmother to grant you that deep wallet so you can just take balls for free and travel the tour, then by all means give us a special wave when you win you 10th title in a row using a buzzsaw.
oh!, wait, maybe you don't have the talent to compete with big boys and think a ball can do it for you! yeah that's it.!
how insulting to professionals. that would be equivalent to some high school kid saying if he had a pair of Nike's and a real Jersey he would be the scoring leader in the NBA.
It's the bowler not the ball!
as for one type ball being better on tour and another on league night. NOpe.
On a THS I pretty sure that with the right drilling and surface prep. 90% of the balls made will work. I would say most med speed strokers may have a tough time with plastic. so, to say a buzzsaw matches up more for the average bowler, like I have read in many threads in the past as well, is a Joke.
of course the cult is like the wall and common sense nor logic will be able to breakthrough.
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It was a fine time for me - I was learning to fence, fight, anything anyone would teach me
Post by: tburky on March 06, 2004, 03:30:42 PM
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as for one type ball being better on tour and another on league night. NOpe.
I don't think you have a clue what I am talking about. And...I do not throw Lane 1.
Edited on 3/6/2004 4:25 PM
Post by: DreadPirateRoberts on March 06, 2004, 05:24:42 PM
For fun look through Lane 1 posts and you see thing like( paraphrasing a little)
Lane one suites more people with hand. lane one suites more people with less revs. Lane one suites more typical bowlers, they will raise your avg by ten pins
,... etc.. etc..
every reason is given under the sun why they are better by the Cult from this board. yes I have thrown them and they are good. Just as good as any other ball. but shhhh, don't tell them that. it's like cursing god in church.
One of us
One of us
One of us
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It was a fine time for me - I was learning to fence, fight, anything anyone would teach me
Post by: tburky on March 06, 2004, 09:02:04 PM
Post by: lane1lefty on March 07, 2004, 03:46:38 AM
Post by: LeftE on March 07, 2004, 05:46:40 AM
- fact, you are annoying
- fact, you claim Lane 1 is no better then anyother company, then
claim that perfume ball company storm is the so great
- fact, you are annoying
- fact, i met this guy, whom heard from a real live pro, that in real
life, the pro said that his sister over heard a guy (she thinks
it was a guy buy the tone and pitch of his voice) that lane 1
balls work better for some people and thats why they throw
them.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 07, 2004, 10:51:05 AM
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Who cares whether the PBA pros throw them
Since everyone is obviously to infatuated with arguing, i think you should realize.........The person who started this does!!! That's what he was asking.....I'm not sure if anyone even answered the question, maybe they did.......
To Lane 1 Users: You like their products, buy them, that's great. But remember, we don't want to hear about how great they work, and all of that.
To Lane 1 Haters: Buy other products and use them. You're not buying Lane 1, why should you care about their price? They could make them $800, and it would make no difference to you.
I use Brunswick, Hammer, and I've tried Storm and Ebonite. I'll use anythhing that works....so I'm not biased towards anything.
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Boom.
Post by: BadShot on March 07, 2004, 11:06:26 AM
you're absolutely correct about walter ray. he should be paid well for his endorsement and use of a product. richie's supposed offer of equipment only couldn't have been a serious offer, only a stupid answer or an indication that lane #1 couldn't afford to pay for wrw's services.
once again, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE COST INFRASTRUCTURE OF LANE #1 BOWLING COMPANY!!!!! to continue to state otherwise is an effort in ignorance on your part.
stick to the FACTS. share your knowledge, state your opinions, fine. but quit blowing smoke up our butts.
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That which does not kill me makes me stronger . . .
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on March 07, 2004, 11:17:22 AM
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15 years and still going strong! 15 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique
And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.
Post by: Rockbowler on March 07, 2004, 11:25:51 AM
To Lane 1 Users: You like their products, buy them, that's great. But remember, we don't want to hear about how great they work, and all of that.
Why not? We, who have won tournaments with Lane 1 products, are not selfish. We want others to benefit as well. To those who have not used Lane 1 balls, why not try it? If they do not work for you. Then it is just too bad that you have not harnessed the great carry and control that we all liked about Lane 1. Since we have been rewarded by using Lane 1, we will keep using them when it counts. As for me, I continue to look at other balls just to see what other companies have to offer. I do not subscribe to an exclusive Lane 1 patronage. It is only because they work for me that I continue to use them.
As for pros using Lane 1 not being used on tour, this has been discussed numerous times, Lane 1 does not offer incentive money. And people should not kid themselves, the pros can win with anything. Walter Ray has won with Hammer, Columbia, Dynothane and now Track.
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2004, 05:33:03 PM
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No one really cares. I get my Lane #1 balls much cheaper than I can a Big B ball at the local Proshop. I mean 245.00 plus tax and Slugs for an Ultimate Inferno.. ROFL.. I paid 190 for my Uranium. Guys, do some shopping I'm sure price is all relative.
This is the type of comment I can't stand when it comes to the Lane#1 cost debate. Please stop comparing an online price to what a brick and mortar shop charges for a ball, which usually includes drilling and grips. You have people like Nizzo (I think) using a family discount and a gift card and telling us the price he paid. If you bought the ball from Doug Sterner, Drillwizard, or Bean's, at least give us their price of a Buzzsaw compared with another high end ball. Both prices alone, or both drilled and out the door.
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Penn State Proud
Post by: a_ak57 on March 07, 2004, 07:09:40 PM
Sorry if I came out wrong. I wasn't talking about people like you. You're right, you should be able to say how you like it. But I was referring to the pyschos who talk about superiority and that Lane 1 matches up better than anything else and all that crap....
I don't mind people talking about how brand X works for them, just as long as the say them. I hate when people state their opinions as facts.
On that note, let me say that Brunswick and Hammer balls hit harder than anything else.
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Boom.
Post by: lane1lefty on March 07, 2004, 07:52:23 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 07, 2004, 09:03:32 PM
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...People like jabroni are bad for this board because if you disagree with him he lashes out like a 2 year old.
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Amen. Lefty is correct. And let me add:
Everytime there is commotion on this board about Lane 1 balls, Jaborni starts it. Jaborni did start out real nice with his first post this time and I even thought.... "hey, he is trying to be normal with common sense"... but after that first post he could no longer contain himself and as Lefty said, he started lashing out like a 2 year old child. Jaborni even lashed out at T-God twice and T-God has not posted anything nor said anything. Any time anyone disagrees with Jaborni he's going to lash out and bash them, calling them idiots, morons, cult members, and the like. He tries to give off the impression that no one knows squat about bowling balls except himself. He accuses people of "hiding behind their computer screens" but he must be ducked down so low behind his that he doesn't notice that it is himself that is hiding behind the computer screen.
Face it, Jaborni dislikes Lane 1. Thats the bottom line. If that wasn't true, Jaborni wouldn't even bother to ever open his mouth about Lane 1.
Jaborni critizes every thing he can about them. Why does it bother Jaborni that Lane 1 still uses the Diamond Core? Why does it bother Jaborni that Lane 1 only tweeks their cores such as adding one diamond, two diamonds, denser core, and etc. Why does it bother Jaborni that Lane 1 doesn't come out with different cores or erotic cores that look like a piece of art sculpture?
Why does it bother Jaborni that Lane 1 keeps using the same cores and only changes the covers?
Why does it bother Jaborni that Lane 1 charges more for their balls when according to Jaborni the balls cost the same as others to make. Why does it bother him? The people that use Lane 1 balls are not complaining so why does this bother Jaborni?
From time to time Jaborni indicates that Storm balls are better, best, or what ever. Yet no one dares say the same about Lane 1 balls or else he will start throwing a fit and start lashing out like the 2 year old Lefty indicated.
To sum it up, why does Jaborni care about anything concerning Lane 1?
He doesn't use them. He doesn't stock them. He doesn't even sell them unless it is demanded by the customer. So what is his problem with Lane 1? Could it be Jealousy of some sort?
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Nothing hits as hard as an Uranium
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 09, 2004, 06:47:26 PM
How Lane 1 runs their business is not your concern. Whatever cores and material they use to make their balls and who ever makes them is not your concern. The costs of what it costs to make their balls is not your concern. The prices they charge per ball is not your concern. How they go about doing business is not your concern. How much profit they make is not your concern. The bottom line of this is that they are a very-very successful company regardless of whether you like it or not. And all of your whining and complaining isn't going to change a thing, so you can either accept it like it is or get out of the pro shop business and make a living doing something else.
As for Lane 1 pricing their balls to you for $169, I would charge you a high price too if you constantly whined and complained and putting my company down like you do them as I wouldn't even want to do business with you. I don't know this, but maybe if you changed your attitude, they might want to give you better prices.
Let me ask, if you had a neighbor living next door to you and you hated him bad, would you:
1. Fight with him every day?
2. Move because you couldn't stand him?
3. Accept him like he is and ignore him pretending he doesn't exist and go about your everyday business.
This is the same 3 choices you have with Lane 1.
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Lane 1 - The Bowlers Company
Nothing hits as hard as an Uranium
Post by: MTFD24 on March 10, 2004, 12:59:38 AM
Lane1lefty- you state:
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As many have said, Lane #1 backed this site while scott ran it for many years. They also sent a few folks free balls. Would the other larger, wealthier companies do this? No.
Well, let me set one thing straight here. Yes, Lane 1 did sponsor this site, and I appreciate that. Yes, I have seen them give away a few balls. But other companies DO so as well! ROTO GRIP came through for the NY State Volunteer Fireman with more than just "a few balls" to assist us in fundraising at last years state tournament! I will not go into what Lane1 and Ritchie did for us, because it was said in past posts. But let's just say, they DID NOT come through after a face to face meeting and a handshake!
Personally, I will never bash a Lane1 user, but I know of no NY State Volunteer Fireman, including many that are also paid like FDNY, that knowing of what transpired will ever have that equipment in their arsenal.
May everyone always carry those pesky corner pins, regardless what companies equipment you use
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The Older We Get, The Better We Were
www.MTFD.com - a NY State Vol. Fire Department
www.BowlWNY.com - local & national stories by Joe Ciccone
http://www.FDracing.com The worlds fastest firemen in the origional Xtreme Games
Post by: Rockbowler on March 10, 2004, 01:33:47 AM
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Rockbowler It's funny how Lane 1 users contradict themselves so much, it's hilarious. You speak of control....why did most in the Lane 1 forum say nothig of the last two balls outside of their very hard backend move? I'm sure you're going to say that they are a "controlled hard move".
You say so casually that "if they don't work for you, that's too bad". Everytime someone posts a disgruntlement with a ball in the lane 1 forums, there are a couple of responses blaming the driller. Lane 1 balls are not game in a box, they won't make you better. Sure they can raise your average, but so can any other ball that is matched up right. If you think that bowling league on a wall is actually bowling, and an average is a gauge of how good a player you are, then you have a LOT to learn.
http://www.bowlersaidproshops.com
Since I was one of those you singled out, I will reply. I have won two amateur tournaments with Lane 1 and my friend placed second in a national amateur tournament. This is the main reason why I use Lane 1, because it works for me. Also, most bowlers that we know are now Lane 1 converts and I have not heard of anyone go back to another company once they use Lane 1. We were the first ones in our area to use them but now the secret is out. If some people have really used Lane 1 and say that it does not work for them, then it is too bad. They are the exceptions. I like the Lane 1 carry and control. What good is explosive carry if the ball is uncontrollable? Are we exclusive Lane 1 users? Of course not, I still look and buy other non-Lane 1 balls if I think that the balls will be good for my game. I also agree with you that I have a lot to learn. Instead of bashing Lane 1. Why not use their balls instead of your stormy preferences? Maybe you will like it and you will become a buzzsaw fanatic. And I have a lot to learn as you said but what bowling really is to me is how well I do in tournaments. This to me determines how I measure up and I love that challenge. I only bowl league to have some fun.
Post by: Sir_rev-a-lot on March 10, 2004, 02:39:07 AM
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Instead of bashing Lane 1. Why not use their balls instead of your stormy preferences? Maybe you will like it and you will become a buzzsaw fanatic
Several people have ask this question and Jabroni has answered
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They have always matched up good for me and I am on staff, so I support them.
I have never read where Jabroni has "gushed" over them, he sings praise for them yes, and why shouldn't he? They see enough in him to give him a ball contract and thus help support his quest to succeed in bowling.