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bowlallthetime

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League bowlers trying PBA
« on: November 22, 2005, 02:37:33 PM »
I know a guy who averages around 210-215.  He thinks he can bowl with the pros and he hasn't even bowled an 800 yet!  Only has 2 300's.  I don't know why he thinks he can compete when pros are bowling 800's on pba shots.  He is going to try a PTQ very shortly and he recently became a member.  HE was very successful in ABT tournaments and he gave that all away because he thinks he can compete.  He has even bowled 2 regionals as an amateur and failed to cash.  He says "if i didn't miss those 7 single pin spares i would have cashed"...i told him "pros dont miss 7 single pin spares!".  

does anyone else know people like this?

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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 10:41:29 PM »
Yes, I do.  I know a few guys that don't average 205 that think they have game.  They are too bullheaded to realize they can't compete.  I average 220 on THS, I have no beliefs that I can compete with those guys.  Some folks never get it, but hey some pros are making a living b/c of those guys.

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bowlallthetime

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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 10:45:15 PM »
some people get a reality check when they bowl a pro am.  i remember a few years back when i first started averaging 200, i thought i was the sh**!  I bowled a pro am and they put out pattern A and it kicked my A**!  i averaged about 165 in 9 pin no tap!  even when it is a "soft" shot for the pros, it is still tough for us average league bowlers.  There are so many 230 averages out there that can't compete on tour.  I bowled with a guy in florida with a 240+ average, over 20 800's and 40-50 300's and he couldn't even cash 1/2 the time on tour.
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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 10:51:16 PM »
I hope he does well.  I am trying to say that he should have tried a few more regionals as an amateur and made sure that he was good enough to cash before running out and getting his PBA card after a hot start to the fall season.  How many pros have never bowled an 800?????  be realistic about it "saw the rack".  and i do admit he is a better bowler than me.  I just hate to see him waste his amateur status.
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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 10:53:16 PM »
Why even post a stupid thing about the guy on the internet. What do you care what he does, and why do you put what he choses to do up for public debate. Your jealous that they guy wants to try. Shoe up with him as an AM. You have to learn sometime.

By posting what you did, its a direct bash to the guy.  What if he reads it, I'm sure your opinion doesn't mean jack to him, but let the guy have his day.

If everybody was as pig headed as you, nobody would try the PBA because they would be afraid of what people like you think.

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Edited on 11/22/2005 11:47 PM
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bowlallthetime

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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2005, 10:53:29 PM »
also,  I know I can't compete right now on tour.  I want to practice, get better, and maybe try a regional or 2 in a few years.  I won't let a hot start to league make me run out and get my card.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2005, 10:55:44 PM »
I am not jealous of him.  I hope he does well and i am going to watch him in the PTQ.  I just wish he would have thought about it more before getting his card.  I posted this topic to see what others opinions were, not to bash him.  I just think he needs a reality check...and unfortunately he will probably get it at the PTQ.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2005, 10:59:05 PM »
Billy Hardwick's first 5 PBA events were a total mess.  Earl Anthony's first 3 were just as bad and Dick Rigter in his first PBA regional had a game around 120.  

If they would have given up, where would bowling be today.

All 3 are in the hall of fame, and one is the greatest bowler every to put on a pair of shoes.

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2005, 11:01:10 PM »
but what had those bowlers done before going on tour?  i am sure they all had a few 300's and 800's before joining.  He did bowl a pba league this summer and  only averaged 199.  Does that change anyones mind whether or not he is ready?
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2005, 11:05:48 PM »
199 is good for an AM bowling on a PBA league shot.  Getting yourself used to the patterns is the biggest challenge.  PBA shots are not dead nut hard, once you get comfortable with the patterns, the bowlers, and the PBA itself and you can relax, the game gets much easier.

300s and 800s don't mean crap, the better a bowler throws the bowling ball, the less they are able to use the "walled up lanes"  Many pros bowl much lower on league walls becaue they don't miss enough either way in or out to take advantage of the soft conditons.  

The better you learn how to throw the ball, the worse league wally ball player you are.

Many Many PBA pros will admit to this.  They won't bowl wall ball, and if they do, it takes hours to undo the bad habbits they have to use when wall balling it.


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bowlallthetime

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2005, 11:10:02 PM »
He should go to the local lanes and have them put out the patterns to practice on.  I know they will do it for him since he bowls there all the time.  I average about 200-205 in league and I averaged 194 on the pba shot.  I agree, they aren't the toughest shots once you get used to them...but that is kind of my point...why not try and prepare yourself better before joining?  I know the actual thing is the best practice, but it is pretty expensive to bowl the tournaments.  A little practice on the shots or joining a sport league would have been better.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2005, 11:24:39 PM »
Ask Brunsnick about it hahaha! Sound like he got some balls but you don't
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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2005, 06:08:02 AM »
why are some you being dik-heads about this to bowlallthetime?  He's simply asking a question.

I don't see him stating how good he is !?!? do you ?!?!

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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2005, 07:34:15 AM »
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I know a guy who averages around 210-215.  He thinks he can bowl with the pros and he hasn't even bowled an 800 yet!  Only has 2 300's.  I don't know why he thinks he can compete when pros are bowling 800's on pba shots.  


Jeff, I think that this is part of what's causing the flaming here.  So what if he doesn't have fistfull of 300s and 800s, what difference does it make if he wants to enter a PTQ.  At least he's going to shoe up and try, that's more than a lot of bowlers can say.

from jabroni:
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Striking in league has nothing to do with striking on a pba pattern. There are not correllated in any way shape or form.
So true, too many times being acurate on a house shot will hurt more than it helps.
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Re: League bowlers trying PBA
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2005, 08:49:40 AM »
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I know a guy who averages around 210-215.  He thinks he can bowl with the pros and he hasn't even bowled an 800 yet!  Only has 2 300's.  I don't know why he thinks he can compete when pros are bowling 800's on pba shots.  


It isn't as though everyone on the PBA national tour is running at a 267 pace.  Yes, some will pop out a set that includes an 800, but the Tour isn't always about the sprint mentality.  Consistency across the event counts about as much as anything else, at least in terms of the qualifying portion of the event.

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He is going to try a PTQ very shortly and he recently became a member.  HE was very successful in ABT tournaments and he gave that all away because he thinks he can compete.


I'd say that it was his to "give away" if he so chose.  Maybe he wanted to move from the big fish in small pond to find other challenges.  It is one way of forcing yourself to elevate components of the game.  It isn't always about the money...
 
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He has even bowled 2 regionals as an amateur and failed to cash.  He says "if i didn't miss those 7 single pin spares i would have cashed"...i told him "pros dont miss 7 single pin spares!".  


He is actually a step ahead of some that dip their toes in that water in that he understands what contributed to not getting a check.  If he came home and worked on spare shooting, then it was not an effort all for naught...the key, after all, is figuring out what works and what doesn't, and when you find something that isn't working, then you need to identify it and fix it.  

What someone can do or not do on a house shot has no bearing on an ability to perform on a Tour-condition.  Similarly, those that understand there is a growing process and pains to deal with tend to be better equipped to cope with the inevitable missteps.  Yeah, maybe the PTQ will be a reality check...but isn't it his call and his alone to determine whether to take that chance???  

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