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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: mainzer on December 08, 2008, 01:19:40 AM
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Scroggy I just don't like him.
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''''Use your aggressive feelings boy, let the hate Flow through you.'''' Emperor Palpatine
MainzerPower
Edited on 12/8/2008 10:19 AM
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My un-favorites list:
Scroggs, PA, Dave Traber
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Trabers, Marc Williams, Ron Williams and Chad Kloss.
Don't any of them personally but something about em. Also not saying that they aren't good. Just something. lol
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Ryan Shafer until he releases the ball. The form is bizarre, but damn that ball hits!

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Ken
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Scroggs is hard to bear, he is an awesome bowler and proves it every year.
Watching Mike Mineman was hard watch also from a few years ago, he looks like alot of us old guys like myself stiff and up right.
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So, my question is a tag along to mainzer's topic. Why don't you like them? Is it their technique/style or their antics on the lanes? I think it's a two pronged issue here.
I can honestly say anyone that has gotten to this level has to have game. I really don't dislike any one of them....walk a mile in my shoes kind of thing.
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Scott
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Any bowler I don't like watching is merely about form. Take Shafer...even though I thought he "big timed" me at the Masters in 2004, he may have been having a horrible day and not willing to talk or he didn't hear me. Ther are a few others who's form is horrendous, but there are no style point.

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Ken
Edited on 12/8/2008 10:59 AM
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PA and Rhino.
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Dale Traber, because I hate it when I can't see the ball hit the pins.

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jack jurek.....yawn..
lets see who else
i dunno if anyone else is quote on quote boring....but some are more weird then others, like kretzers waddling at the start, walter ray slapping himself in the head when he lets go of the ball , etc
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Ive Eaten From The Insane Root That Imprisons Reason
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PA, Robert Smith, Ryan Shafer
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Up the boards baby!
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Bob Smith.
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Scroggins !!!!!!! Still, because of his remark about bowling like a leauge bowler.
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Edited on 12/8/2008 12:03 PM
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Scroggins !!!!!!! Still, because of his remark about bowling like a leauge bowler.
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Edited on 12/8/2008 12:03 PM
Scroggy has paid enough for that comment.
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Yep, and I still remember !!!
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Scroggins !!!!!!! Still, because of his remark about bowling like a leauge bowler.
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Edited on 12/8/2008 12:03 PM
Scroggy has paid enough for that comment.
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Chris Barnes. The combination of his Fozzy Bear voice and his sorrowful looks everytime he chokes makes me want to hurl.
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220...221...whatever it takes.
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Chris Barnes. The combination of his Fozzy Bear voice and his sorrowful looks everytime he chokes makes me want to hurl.
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220...221...whatever it takes.
The sorrowful looks are a bit much, but what about the smug smirks after he doesn't choke?
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Chris Barnes. The combination of his Fozzy Bear voice and his sorrowful looks everytime he chokes makes me want to hurl.
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220...221...whatever it takes.
The sorrowful looks are a bit much, but what about the smug smirks after he doesn't choke?
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He11, they all do that!
Edited on 12/8/2008 12:20 PM
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scroggins he just sucks the life out of a tv match.
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the little lights there not twinkling.
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I would have to say Steve Jaros
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Who Shoots 650 without shooting a duece?
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Pete Weber just gets on my nerves. I really dont care to watch maximum bob either.
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Go Balls Deep
Lefty
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Scroggy and WRW.....although I don't like their form (especially that squeal rubber stop of WRW)they are both better than all of us. I enjoy watching PB3 so it's not a lefty thing.
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Either one of the Traber brothers or Michael Haugen Jr. And I forgot, what about Scott Deevers?
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Mr_Smooth
"I missed another 10 pin!"
Edited on 12/16/2008 5:05 PM
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PA
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PA, also Patrick Healey Jr.
Angelo until he got rid of his pause in the approach. Now he's fine.
Jess
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i would have said kelly coffman, since he seemed allergic to spares.
i had trouble getting past ron williams' armswing, but a few league bowlers who average 180-200 have similar swings..doesnt bother me now lol
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derek
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currently 217 on monday 211 on tuesday
main arsenal now:
cell
cell pearl
vapor zone
el nino 2000
green gargoyle
fury
blue dot
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PA, Scroggins, and Jason Belmonte
scroggins doesn't impress me nor does PA...and Jason...wow all i have to say is he is a one hit wonder. 15-20 years from now someone will mention his name and we will just laugh.
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Keep ya head up and don't let nobody get you down...because that road you travel will turn around.
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Either of the Traber's because of there approach
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least favorite PBA bowler to watch
Any Lefty.
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3 holes of fun!!
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Rick lawrence hop skip loft
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Kiall Hill
Visionary test staff
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Scroggy by far. Also, Brad Angelo and Bill O'Neill. There's just something about them I can't stand.
ON EDIT: And Haugen!
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Ricky Michaels
It's like the pins have a restraining order against me.
Formerly known as Mister High Speed Himself, 
Edited on 12/8/2008 7:17 PM
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scroggins or jurek lol
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Scroggy I just don't like him.
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''''Use your aggressive feelings boy, let the hate Flow through you.'''' Emperor Palpatine
MainzerPower
Edited on 12/8/2008 10:19 AM
Ditto
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The harder I try the harder they fall
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I don't care for Mike Scroggins nor Dave Traber even Dale Traber.But ones I like PB3 and Earl also Dick Weber plus Steve Cook.There may be some others.But it make you wonder if you hear some cuss words that Pete Weber be right at the top even past Marshall H.
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Yep, and I still remember !!!
Just a tad sensitive, aren't you?
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So, my question is a tag along to mainzer's topic. Why don't you like them? Is it their technique/style or their antics on the lanes? I think it's a two pronged issue here.
The problem with this question is that it is too logical, and might force people to think rationally in order to give a reasonable answer...in other words, it's wasted here...
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quote:So, my question is a tag along to mainzer's topic. Why don't you like them? Is it their technique/style or their antics on the lanes? I think it's a two pronged issue here.
The problem with this question is that it is too logical, and might force people to think rationally in order to give a reasonable answer...in other words, it's wasted here...
Agreed! What is the point of these inane topics? After you read thru these posts it's hard to find a PBA pro that anybody enjoys watching. More wasted bandwidth.
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Scott
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scroggins, shaefer, haugen
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wait what?
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Scott Devers when he was on tour. Really never
cared for Tom Baker, Mike DeVaney, Wes Malot,
Brian Kretzer, and Eugene McCune. Liz Johnson
on the womens side of things.
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2nd place is only the first loser(John Force)
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Norm.
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I love to watch Scroggins actual throwing! I think he rolls it....REALLY well!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I admire Norm Duke but I'm sick of watching 3 boards of hook!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
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Mike DeVaney or Brian Kretzer. Let's hook it as much as possible aimlessly on tv and end up losing the match.
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This could be a while:
Rudy Kasimakis
Chris Barnes
John Handegard
Pete Weber
Brad Angelo
Randy Peterson
But most of all, not a bowler but hes on the show, Rob Stone!
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Lefty
480 rpms
300
800(1)
Average 220+
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BOWL TO WIN!
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Michelle Feldman & Dorin-Ballard. Especially when Dorin-Ballard wins. She cries every frickin time.
Mens side: Just about every lefty, except PB III & Rhino. Sean Rash, Mika, & I'm sure there are some others.
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"The last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it." Rodney Dangerfield
Edited on 12/8/2008 9:53 PM
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I'm shocked that only one person said Eugene McCune. He's the only one I really can't stand. Other than that, haven't seen much worse than Ritchie Allen. Maybe he throws it better when he isn't on tv, but he grabs the crap out of it at the bottom, almost full rolls it, his speed and revs are terribly mismatched . .
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This is Fluffy. He is the Destroyer of Worlds.
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eugene mccune
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Scroggins
Tommy Delutz (I think his first name's Tommy, but I might be wrong)
Brad Angelo
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BLARGH
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Any righty.

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David Traber
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Ken - aka "dpunky" - Certified USBC Level I Coach
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actually in the first part of this thread someone mentioned mike mineman, i bowled with him 10-15 years ago in league and he still operates bowling shop here, he had a beautiful aproach and was very good, so yeah age caught up with him and doesn't get no where near how he used to. i have to laugh bc everybody said the trabers likethey were reading my mind. and of course wrw with his goofy approach and if he misses looks like a lil kid with hand in pocket and looks like he kicking dirt walkn back. ritchie allen, y let the ball touch the lane just heav it in mid air to the pins. almost all the players that make it to tv evry 2 to 3 years and they look so seriious and take the game slower than what it should be. yeah i know they trying to make their 15 minutes of fame but just sucks the life out of watching the program. o and the next time shaefer gets on tv will be too soon. 1 more time got to hear him whine about he doesnt get respect and pederson makes excuses bc he is diabetic. if it was that bad for him he wouldnt be out there day in and day out so that shouldnt be an excuse.
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
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eugene mccune plain and simply badd attitude hell of a bowler but kicking machines and screaming at the pins at regionals (he won at that) in front of little kids and telling them he was too F#*&ing tired to talk with them
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...o and the next time shaefer gets on tv will be too soon. 1 more time got to hear him whine about he doesnt get respect and pederson makes excuses bc he is diabetic. if it was that bad for him he wouldnt be out there day in and day out so that shouldnt be an excuse.
I see you're NOT a diabetic, are you? And he's never used it as an excuse, as far as I know. Get off his back about that. Maybe Peterson is pointing out that diabetics can do the same things that you do. Geez.
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Scroggy's eyes just freak me out, PA because he is an @ss, Barnes because of his great whinning ability.

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have u heard pederson talk he throws it out there for when he starts to get bad breaks or bowling bad. if you read my point i said if diabetes really was a factor only shaeffer would know that and he wouldnt be out there day in and day out, so technically i am complimenting him on that and yes my dad has diabetes and takes shots before he eats so i know what it does.
and its not just shaeffer, pederson seems to throw excuses out to bowlers when they arent bowling well all the time. just listen to how he talks through a program and then when and if the bowler gets hot he makes another excuse to dig himself out of his original excuse.
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
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If you're saying Pederson does that for every bowler, then why are you specifically calling out Shafer for it? That doesn't make any sense.
And for what it's worth, I remember an old telecast (maybe the 2001 Louisville show) where they mentioned how Ryan Shafer has to be extremely careful about when he eats, etc. or he has trouble making it through a block during tournaments. So I guess the diabetes is a bit of a factor...
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Both Scroggins (remember, he had a brother who is identical who bowls worse than he does), both trabers, haugen, mccune, Hugh Miller, major mika, mike devaney, mike fagan, billy oatman
Who I like:
Pb3
Mike Aulby
Mike Wolfe
Chris Barnes
Randy Pederson
Patrick Healy
Billy O'Neil
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do you guys have freaking common sense?? if the diabetes was a factor with shaeffer he would know when to quit or pull out of a tournament. again and again and now again he wouldnt be doing this day in and day out you morons. i was saying shaeffer in beginning bc as this topic is named people you dont like watching so i used him , hence someone i dont like to watch. as for pederson he does this quite often with bowlers who are just bowling bad for the most part. sure sometimes he dont but for most part he does make random excuses. just because your a "pro" isnt an automatic freedom from saying hey im having a bad day of bowling. the bowlers themselves admit it and all im sayiong is why cant pederson just say it instead of making lousy excuses.
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
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do you guys have freaking common sense?? if the diabetes was a factor with shaeffer he would know when to quit or pull out of a tournament. again and again and now again he wouldnt be doing this day in and day out you morons. i was saying shaeffer in beginning bc as this topic is named people you dont like watching so i used him , hence someone i dont like to watch. as for pederson he does this quite often with bowlers who are just bowling bad for the most part. sure sometimes he dont but for most part he does make random excuses. just because your a "pro" isnt an automatic freedom from saying hey im having a bad day of bowling. the bowlers themselves admit it and all im sayiong is why cant pederson just say it instead of making lousy excuses.
You're getting boring here. Diabetics (as you should be aware with your dad) have good days and bad days like everybody else, and I'm pretty sure Shaffer knows how to prepare for a set. He also threw in the ToC this year with basically the flu if I remember right. Following your logic, that shouldn't be an excuse either...
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and yeah its official bunch morons, if he would have withdrew from that or any tournament due to illness or diabetes then HE can decide that, im saying PEDERSON is making the excuse for him and making excuses for other bowlers just bc they are bowling bad. and do you withdraw from league nite when you arent feeling good, i usually make it when i dont feel good and if bowling was my main income i would be out there. i have bowld some my best series being sick bc i just bowl. i dont overthink or anything just bowl. so yes this getting boring bc your not getting my points just a certain word or 2. like i said these are regular people that can do something better then i but yet arent gods so yes they can and do bowl bad games and its not just transition or whatever. WE all have bad games in evry sport and evrybody.
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
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You story has become tiresome. Now is the time on "Sprockets" when we dance!

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Ken
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David Traber
Dale Traber
Hugh Miller
Eugene McCune
Bob Vespi
Mark Williams
Butch Soper
Jess Stayrook
Rick Lawrence
Doesn't get much worse than these guys.
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What the Deuce?!!
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I hate watching Pete Weber, I know a lot of people like his flambouyant nature and all but I think he is just a prick. He has great bowling ability and is one of the greatest talents of all time, but to watch him bowl bugs the s**t out of me.
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I can understand that about Pete. Over the past couple of years, I have been getting tired of watching the king of the sport Walter Ray Williams Jr. All he does is complain about carry, even when he doesn't throw it very well. Annoying to watch sometimes.
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What the Deuce?!!
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Worst lefty: Scroggins - has a robot arm, horrible form, the ball basically does everything
Worst righty: McCune - horrible form, falls over after every throw, basically just launches the ball straight diagonally from the 1 board probably the worst bowler on tour today
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If you had McCune's release with Scroggins aim you would have one hell of a bowler!
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Worst lefty: Scroggins - has a robot arm, horrible form, the ball basically does everything...
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Good bowlers let the ball do the work, so what's your point?
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BowlingWolf
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Worst lefty: Scroggins - has a robot arm, horrible form, the ball basically does everything...
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Good bowlers let the ball do the work, so what's your point?
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Exactly. The bowlers who try to create their own ball reaction are the ones who struggle with today's modern equipment. That's why Amleto Monacelli struggled for many years after reactive resin got stronger and stronger. It took him awhile to get used to the idea that you don't need to hit up on the ball a ton these days. It's all about roll and letting the ball do its thing.
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Worst lefty: Scroggins - has a robot arm, horrible form, the ball basically does everything
Worst righty: McCune - horrible form, falls over after every throw, basically just launches the ball straight diagonally from the 1 board probably the worst bowler on tour today
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interesting how so many posters hate watching scroggs.
however the highest rated episode of PBA last season was when he ran the gauntlet at the Dick Weber.
I don't really have a least favourite bowler. What I find hard to watch is when there is simply no shot out there and the bowlers shoot brutal scores like the feldman/bellinder match a few weeks ago
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Jason Couch. It just kills me to watch him.
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Todd
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Jason Couch. It just kills me to watch him.
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Todd
Why? His form is close to perfect and he puts some crazy revs on the ball. One of the most entertaining left handers of all time I think. 
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