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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: Mike James on April 20, 2008, 11:31:05 PM
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Hi,
Been having a discussion with another teammate about which foot to line up with..(were both right handers)...he says he uses his left foot so he can see what board his foot slides on to see if he walked straight when he releases the ball...and i use my right foot so i can target my area when i release the ball...who's right?
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I dont think there is a right or wrong answer to this. It is what you are most comfortable with as long as you do the same every time.
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Generally, most right-handers use the inside of their left foot, as this is the foot the usually ends up next to the ball.
In any event, I think an overwhelming majority of bowlers use their slide-foot whichever that is.
That said, there is no right or wrong, as stated previously, it's whatever you like. Although I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind targeting using the non-sliding foot, I'm unclear on what you mean by "so i can target my area"
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Generally, most right-handers use the inside of their left foot, as this is the foot the usually ends up next to the ball.
In any event, I think an overwhelming majority of bowlers use their slide-foot whichever that is.
That said, there is no right or wrong, as stated previously, it's whatever you like. Although I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind targeting using the non-sliding foot, I'm unclear on what you mean by "so i can target my area"
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If i'm standing with the outside of my right foot(non slide) on board 10, the inside of my left foot (slide) should end up on 10 at the line. This is what gives one proper balance at the line. This is the reason I use the outside of my right foot (non slide)to line up with.
Edited on 4/21/2008 8:49 AM
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Generally, most right-handers use the inside of their left foot, as this is the foot the usually ends up next to the ball.
In any event, I think an overwhelming majority of bowlers use their slide-foot whichever that is.
That said, there is no right or wrong, as stated previously, it's whatever you like. Although I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind targeting using the non-sliding foot, I'm unclear on what you mean by "so i can target my area"
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Targeting with my right foot means for me that the ball is 5 boards right of my right foot...so if i stand on 15 with my right foot and walk straight then the ball should release on the 10 board..i do normally on THS stand around 20 and swing the ball out to 10 but thats me...anyone else similar?
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anymore comments on this?
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If i'm standing with the outside of my right foot(non slide) on board 10, the inside of my left foot (slide) should end up on 10 at the line. This is what gives one proper balance at the line. This is the reason I use the outside of my right foot (non slide)to line up with.
why does this give proper balance at the line..seems to me you are walkig to the right during your approach...
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I think the inside of the left foot is standard, mainly for the purpose of being able to evaluate if/how much drifting has occured during the approach. This is why you will sometimes see a good bowler looking down at his feet after a shot he thought was good has a poor result.
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I think the inside of the left foot is standard, mainly for the purpose of being able to evaluate if/how much drifting has occured during the approach. This is why you will sometimes see a good bowler looking down at his feet after a shot he thought was good has a poor result.
I understand that concept and i use my right foot for several more reasons...again to line-up my target...other is that being right handed and holding the ball in the right hand tends to put a bit more weight on the right side, therefore not favoring the left foot...as far as walking straight as long as my feet are facing the pins after throwing the ball then i had walked straight in my opinion
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i believe most bowlers lineup with their sliding foot...
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I understand that concept and i use my right foot for several more reasons...again to line-up my target.
not sure i understand this..why cant you use your left foot and your shoulders to line up at your target..i can see the argument of lining up with the center of your slide foot or inside of your slide foot but not your right foot..jmo
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The only purpose of using either foot is to give you a consistent starting point on the approach.
I personally use the left foot but by doing that my right foot is on the same board every time as well. If I move my left foot to the left 3 boards then my right foot has moved 3 boards to the left.
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i believe most bowlers lineup with their sliding foot...
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I understand that concept and i use my right foot for several more reasons...again to line-up my target.
not sure i understand this..why cant you use your left foot and your shoulders to line up at your target..i can see the argument of lining up with the center of your slide foot or inside of your slide foot but not your right foot..jmo
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Hi,
Well by lining up with my right foot i can hold the ball next to my right leg(which i don't do)but i know that the ball is 5 boards right of my right foot...so if i stand 15(with right foot) and walk straight the ball will touch the lanes on the 10th board...of course if i want swing i move left but keep the same target...seems easier to me....now if i use my left foot to line up what board does the ball touch when it hits the lanes?
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i believe most bowlers lineup with their sliding foot...
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I understand that concept and i use my right foot for several more reasons...again to line-up my target.
not sure i understand this..why cant you use your left foot and your shoulders to line up at your target..i can see the argument of lining up with the center of your slide foot or inside of your slide foot but not your right foot..jmo
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Hi,
Well by lining up with my right foot i can hold the ball next to my right leg(which i don't do)but i know that the ball is 5 boards right of my right foot...so if i stand 15(with right foot) and walk straight the ball will touch the lanes on the 10th board...of course if i want swing i move left but keep the same target...seems easier to me....now if i use my left foot to line up what board does the ball touch when it hits the lanes?
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Well by lining up with my right foot i can hold the ball next to my right leg(which i don't do)but i know that the ball is 5 boards right of my right foot...so if i stand 15(with right foot) and walk straight the ball will touch the lanes on the 10th board...of course if i want swing i move left but keep the same target...seems easier to me....now if i use my left foot to line up what board does the ball touch when it hits the lanes?
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7 board to the right of the inside of your sliding foot..seems easier to me this way..i know if i walk straight and i want to throw the ball up 10 i stand on 17...but i walk 2 boards left so i would stand on 15, drift my to boards left putting me on 17, throwing the ball up 10...
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I use the inside of my slide foot, which for me, is my right foot.
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7 board to the right of the inside of your sliding foot..seems easier to me this way..i know if i walk straight and i want to throw the ball up 10 i stand on 17...but i walk 2 boards left so i would stand on 15, drift my to boards left putting me on 17, throwing the ball up 10...
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Well like someone said earlier...what ever your comfortable with...i was wondering if there was any advantage or disadvantage
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Mo Pinel in his coaching book "See It, Feel It, Do It" says "Position yourself laterally on the approach, using the little toe on the push-off foot as a guide. This establishes the ball position on the approach, to allow for proper alignment of the ball trajectory. Helps visual image of the shot!
(Recommended by not mandatory. Most people currently line up with the slide foot)"
-From See It, Feel It, Do It by Mo Pinel. Page 20.
Edited on 4/21/2008 1:51 PM
All good points
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I usually don't worry about my feet on a THS I can tell where my body is at on the approach and play in an "area" on the lanes so that doesn't matter. On a PBA shot I use my left/slide foot. I usually put it in line with the center dot with my heel hanging off the approach (raised approach) and start there and adjust. But no matter what I put my foot up there then if I need to move I do it without looking down. I just usually move a little step or two one way or another. I'm so used to my style and know what my balls will do, I don't tend to focus a lot on where I start. If i feel off i will drift if I think im going the wrong direction and be lined up at the line.
This is not a good practice but its how I do it. Im a high rev player so I get a little more forgivness on inacurate shots on most patterns and that helps.
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Just that i have been using my right foot to line up all these yrs and have been successful..never even knew about most others using the other foot
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm LH'ed use my right foot to line up with. I've got Dexter 5 SST Comforts, use the line that goes straight up the middle of them to line up with the board intended.
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Not that its broke but can i improve if i use the other foot?
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I use the middle of my sliding foot never had a single coach tell me different, if you use the same position to lineup off it does not matter much.
Since i waddle like a duck from being a big fat azz it is fun to watch on camera, believe me what you think you do and what you really do is night and day.
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Mike James if you are a left hander...you are doing it right!
Always the slide foot.
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dont think he is lefthanded lefty..
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If i'm standing with the outside of my right foot(non slide) on board 10, the inside of my left foot (slide) should end up on 10 at the line. This is what gives one proper balance at the line. This is the reason I use the outside of my right foot (non slide)to line up with.
why does this give proper balance at the line..seems to me you are walking to the right during your approach...
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No!
If one walks completely straight on the approach and begins the slide, their slide foot should be in-front of there next to last step. That's how you stay balanced at the line. If you don't do this then the bowling ball pulls your body to the side.
I'm doing my best to explain this. John Jowdy does a good job of explaining this in his book. I also think Ron Clifton explains this on his web site.
I can't target with the inside of my slide foot while standing on the approach because the inside of my slide foot is going to be on a different board at the completetion of my slide at the foul line. The inside of my slide foot at the foul line should end up on the same board as the outside of my non-slide foot at the beginning of the approach. I hope i'm making some sense.
Edited on 4/22/2008 3:28 PM
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ok..just seems as though you should walk naturally and putting one foot infront of the other isnt natural..
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ok..just seems as though you should walk naturally and putting one foot infront of the other isnt natural..
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I do walk straight until I make my slide. During the slide step is when my foot goes in-front of my non-slide foot to create balance.
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Check out the "falling off the shot" article. This should explain what i'm talking about.
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i will check it out but it seems if you are walking straight then move your wt to the right to slide, that would throw you off balance as well..
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You know it never occurred to me to use the inside of my left foot to line up. I think I may try that tomorrow in league. If anything, it will take less time to line up.
For 10 years I would line up with the tip and center part of my left toe to line up. Personally though, if someone was to ask what board I was standing on I would go by the center of my foot opposed to using the inside of the foot.
However, I feel the need to get too perfect and takes too long to line up exactly so I will try the inside of the foot.
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i line up with inside of left foot also..
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i lineup with the outside of left foot(my slide foot). as long as things are done consistent and repetative, there is no wrong or right. its kinda like saying if your right handed you should wear your watch on your left wrist. but for me its more comfortable on my right wrist.....neither would give an improvement in your game. as long as you start & end the same things are fine.
Edited on 4/22/2008 6:58 PM
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To expand on what Chitown is trying to impart, the goal it isn't a matter of walking straight or putting one foot in front of the other per se, it is a goal of balance at the foul line. To have that, our slide foot should be in the center of the body when you slide under your belly button, not under your left shoulder. To do that, your slide step tends to be more "in front of" the next to last step, not off to the side of it.
What foot you use to measure where you're standing on the approach has nothing to do with your finishing position. Some bowlers drift left, some drift right and still end up with their weight properly centered over their slide foot at the finish position.
However, it is a bad idea for a right-handed bowler to drift right and for a left-handed bowler to drift left (excepting extreme inside lines). Doing so means that you are walking into your initial swing plan (ie. from pushaway to the top of the backswing) you will be forced to alter your swing plane or hit yourself in the back of leg.
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I can't even go into detail how now lining up with the inside of my slide foot has helped my game vs lining up with the middle tip of my slide foot. I can line up in a quarter second.
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ok..just seems as though you should walk naturally and putting one foot infront of the other isnt natural..
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I do walk straight until I make my slide. During the slide step is when my foot goes in-front of my non-slide foot to create balance.
I believe what chitown is trying to explain, has through the years been referred to as "stepping into the shot". This method supposedly gives you added balance & leverage.
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ok..just seems as though you should walk naturally and putting one foot in front of the other isn't natural..
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I do walk straight until I make my slide. During the slide step is when my foot goes in-front of my non-slide foot to create balance.
I believe what chitown is trying to explain, has through the years been referred to as "stepping into the shot". This method supposedly gives you added balance & leverage.
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Bingo!
I don't see how anyone can be balanced at the line if their slide foot doesn't go in front of their next to last step?
Here's a good test: Stand with your feet next to each other as you would if you were standing on the approach. Take one step with your slide foot but don't put it in front of the non slide foot. Just take one straight step and plant. Next, slightly swing the bowling ball forward as if you were going to release the ball. What happens with your balance? The bowling ball pulls your body off balance!
Now do the same thing again but this time make sure your slide foot goes in-front of your non slide foot. Plant the step and swing the ball. What happens with your balance this time? The ball doesn't pull you off balance! The reason is because of the slide foot going in front of the non slide foot creating a more stable position.
It's hard for me to explain this as I suck at writing! lol Ron Clifton does a great job of explaining this on his bowling tips web site.
I don't see how anyone could be balanced at the line if their slide foot doesn't go in front of their non slide foot.
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I don't see how anyone could be balanced at the line if their slide foot doesn't go in front of their non slide foot.
By shifting their weight so as not to fall down, which leads to other problems such as falling off shots, looping the swing, and so on.
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