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Title: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: greenefam on March 19, 2005, 04:39:08 AM: Kudos to Liz Johnson for being the first woman ever to make it to a PBA final! Whether she wins or not tomorrow is immaterial. She has shown that skill is what it is all about in this sport, not testosterone.
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Goof1073 on March 19, 2005, 12:39:48 PM: Good for her...but it's gonna be weird to see a woman on the telecast tomorrow.

I wonder how much press this is going to get?
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: CharlieBrown on March 19, 2005, 12:41:18 PM: Yeah!!!!!!!!

Gonna be a great show!

Like Jaros, Wes, and my man Tommy Jones!!

Well done Liz!!!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: tonybowls on March 19, 2005, 12:43:12 PM: Great Job by her to get this far. Amazing!!! If TJ wins tomorrow he pretty much locks up Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 19, 2005, 12:46:46 PM: i think liz johnson will bowl against wes mallott----he's in a no win situation. if he wins it's like, "well you should beat a woman---what's the big deal?". if he loses, he'll never hear the end of it, "how could you lose to a woman ?". besides all this---congrats to liz johnson. she made it to the finals because she BOWLED better.
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Rev_O on March 19, 2005, 12:54:33 PM: Congrats Liz. Go kick some butt tomorrow!!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: rollingthunder on March 19, 2005, 12:55:45 PM: It will be nice to see Liz and Storm on the show. Congratulations Liz!
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: greenefam on March 19, 2005, 12:56:58 PM: I really don't buy into the 'you aught to beat a woman' thought process. Unless I'm missing something, Liz has WAY more TV experience and tour experience than Wes. She has qualified for two different PBA Tour events as a non-exempt bowler, the first as an amateur.

The two hottest bowlers on the show tomorrow are Liz and Tommy Jones. I fully expect it to be the two of them in the finals. Either way it should be a great show!
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: jkiser01 on March 19, 2005, 12:57:04 PM: This show could not be any better for me.. Liz Johnson, Big Wes, TJ and throw Jaros in the mix.. This is going to one of the best shows of the year so far!!

Mika and WRW fell which is OK with me..

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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: michelle on March 19, 2005, 01:10:58 PM: quote:
Liz Johnson vs. Wes mallet

davie vs. Goliath!

I hope Golaith comes out on top in this one though!

I was going to offer the Rocky analogy...it seemed like every time she was on the ropes, she figured out some way to recover.

And despite the fact that big Wes is a helluva a nice guy, I'd like to see Liz win this one
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: joeschmoe on March 19, 2005, 01:11:16 PM: Then there's that little voice in my head that says,"This is what ESPN and the PBA wants".Even though I know that Liz is one of the best there is,male or female.I've got to admit I'm pulling for her though...Reminds me of Anika Sorenstam on the PGA tour
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Bill Thomas on March 19, 2005, 01:59:11 PM: I sure hope Liz wins it all. It could be the biggest public relations coup that bowling has ever had. I can just see Liz appearing on Good Morning America and getting plugs for herself and bowling on virtually every sports media show. Sure hope the PBA's PR hacks are smart enough to be on the phones to all the major media sources to let them in on the potential for a history making event. GO LIZ!!!!

Edited on 3/19/2005 2:56 PM
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: BrunsNick on March 19, 2005, 02:06:22 PM: Pulling for Jaros on this one, if he doesn't win, then someone who won 3x last year will not be exempt for 2005-2006. SAD!

It'd be nice to see Johnson vs Jaros, at least one will have a career saving tournament!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: jkiser01 on March 19, 2005, 02:13:01 PM: I could care less about Jaros.. I would like to see Wes win it, then Liz or Tommy.. Big Wes has been bowling very well lately, he is due a tourny win..
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: BrunsNick on March 19, 2005, 02:18:51 PM: quote:
I could care less about Jaros..

You could? Or you couldn't?
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: jkiser01 on March 19, 2005, 02:33:44 PM: BrunsNick,

I should rephrase that.. I do not dislike Jaros, but there are 3 other people I would rather see win tomorrow than him!! LOL..

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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Strider on March 19, 2005, 05:11:00 PM: Should be a great show. Nice variety of styles. I'm glad Jaros finally got his act together, TJ's been throwing the ball great all year, and Liz is definitely the X-Factor (pun intended for Jeffrevs ). I've only seen Wes on TV. He's looked nervous and performed poorly. Now the pressure will really be on.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Mr Bass on March 19, 2005, 05:42:49 PM: I like how Liz went through Chris Barnes like a hot knife through butter I'm rooting for Tommy though. He wins this, he's a lock for POY
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 19, 2005, 06:00:42 PM: It has been mentioned before here. In the Chris Barnes Liz Johnson match ....BOTH Liz and Chris had 800s! Chris had both a 290 AND a 300 in the match and lost!

Liz had an 822!!! Wow!

Anyone know what equipment she is using?

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 19, 2005, 06:05:10 PM: Oh.....

Got the answer to my own question....

http://www.stormbowling.com/enews/showenews.asp?enewsid=1589&intl=

REgards,

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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 19, 2005, 06:10:26 PM: not bad strider!!! I like it !!!

GO LIZ!!!

And better yet....Walter got kicked to the curb again!!

Gonna be a great great show!!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: a_ak57 on March 19, 2005, 06:21:06 PM: Wow, something amazing will happen tommorrow no matter what. Jaros could get a win and save his career, same with wes, Liz could make history, or Tommy could take the POY. Wow. What a show.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: fabes on March 19, 2005, 07:26:17 PM: Hard to say if it will carry over or not, but if Wes Malott's does not get nervous it would be tough to bet against him. He was throwing the ball extremely well. Unbelievable power there. Liz bowled great again and she may make a great match out of it.
Jaros is a great and classy guy and is really good to see him back. Jones is strong and he has bowled really well this year.
I think it is Malott and Jones in the final. Malott will fall in a close match.

fabes
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 19, 2005, 11:41:54 PM: I believe if she wins it is a NEGATIVE for the PBA tour and a POSITIVE for Woman's bowling.

I also believe it is an incredible feat what she has performed.

I have bowled a bit with Marsha Kamrowski and she really enjoyed beating up on the men! Me included!

Usually I don't see woman's games as being competitive but on the right conditions!

However I salute Liz!

REgards,

LUckylefty
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: agroves on March 20, 2005, 02:58:07 AM: quote:
I agree with with you LL, I don't think it will be to good for the PBA if she wins.

I don't think it will be a negative for the pba. If she had the ladies tour to bowl on, then maybe it would be a negative. I am cheering for Liz tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: michelle on March 20, 2005, 07:53:19 AM: quote:
First off congrats to liz but I have a problem with women being allowed to enter in the first place for the simple point that the women have there own pba

we do? wow, when did this happen?

Notwithstanding Jim's attempt to get the LCT off the ground last year, there has not been a women's professional organization since 2003.
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Bjaardker on March 20, 2005, 08:01:04 AM: quote:
First off congrats to liz but I have a problem with women being allowed to enter in the first place for the simple point that the women have there own pba where men are not allowed to compete the same thing goes for golf if the ladys have there own men should be able to enter theres if they want to join the mens tour. Don't get me wrong I know that there are a lot of women that are really great bowlers but my point is on principle and just that. If the women want to compete in the mens pba the men should be able to compete in the ladys pba

This is my favorite post ever!!!!!!

Ignorance is bliss eh?

Sir, please do tell where this "lady's PBA" is. The PWBA went nipples up (T!ts is word filtered...go figure) 2 years ago. The LCT (ladies classic tour) is far from a mainstream national tour of the calibur of the PBA or the late PWBA. I know they have been trying really hard to get it up to the same level, but there have also been murmurings about its eventual demise as well. Finally, the WIBC holds 1 nationwide open even a year, the WIBC queens. That's hardly a way to make a living for someone wishing to be a professional bowler.

Joker, these women have had their livlihood ripped out from under them by the demise of the PWBA, and have been forced to "put up or shut up". I think this is an amazing testement to Liz Johnson's ability to put up.

Edited on 3/20/2005 8:58 AM
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Reality Check on March 20, 2005, 08:22:48 AM: Its amazing how many people spend vast qualtities of time posting on this forum about how they wish bowling could go back to being about skills and talent not ball choices and high revs . . . . so a bowler makes the finals through bowling well and playing a tight, error free tournament, and now some people have the nerve to complain because she is a woman. Kudos to the people who have posted to congratulate a BOWLER for playing well and making a tournament final, shame on those who are bemoaning the fact a woman has made the finals instead of a 7ft tall gorilla with a 12 ft backswing. . . .
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: BrentTehBowler on March 20, 2005, 10:11:48 AM: Congrats to Liz, this looks like another good show.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 10:41:18 AM: I think it would be great for bowling in general if she won. Talk about the publicity for the sport. Not that there already has not been much but if she won it would be even more.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 11:01:50 AM: Off to the finals. Can't wait to see what happens.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: MI 2 AZ on March 20, 2005, 11:32:26 AM: Congratulations to Liz. Wish her the best and let the best bowler win.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: mrspare on March 20, 2005, 11:39:56 AM: Championship Match
Tommy Jones vs Liz Johnson
Whoahhhhhh !
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: NOTHUMB on March 20, 2005, 02:37:45 PM: quote:
I must say Jaros looked like a league hack.

He looked like the Jaros of old---not sure of himself at all.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Reality Check on March 20, 2005, 05:03:31 PM: Wrap10, with apologies, I was not aiming that comment about huge backswings at anyone on the tour in particular, especially not Mika, whom I have had the pleasure to meet and converse with many times in the past before he went out on tour. My point was, the people complaining about a woman being in the final stages and asking what effect that would have on the image of the PBA should be glad that a bowler with a pro pedigree and a huge level of experience and hard earned respect was in that position.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: SheWithNoHand on March 20, 2005, 10:30:12 PM: Congrats to Liz for her outstanding accomplishments today! Even though she finished in 2nd place (regretably due to that nasty split in the 3rd frame against TJ) Liz showed everyone in the bowling community that great bowlers come in all shapes, sizes and genders! We always knew there were good lady bowlers out there, and Liz gave all of us a chance to really see how good they can be. It's such a shame that the PWBA isn't around for these exceptional lady bowlers anymore. Liz is actually somewhat of a shy person, but always very gracious and grateful for compliments and encouragement that is sent her way. I've talked with her a few times, albeit only briefly, but her "grace under fire" is genuine!! I love to watch her bowl in local tournaments here in Western New York-she is an outstanding lady to admire!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: JOE FALCO on March 21, 2005, 11:25:11 AM: Great show .. was routing for Liz all the way! I think two things might come out of this weeks bowling ..

PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Tom Jones
PBA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: Liz Johnson

Wouldn't that be something!
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 21, 2005, 11:35:12 AM: quote:
Great show. I wish I could release like TJ, it is just so smooth.

Liz was good, she has been for a long time.

Out of curiosity what would some of you said if a guy were wearing that wrist contraption?

I'd call him Rick Lawrence
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: SheWithNoHand on March 21, 2005, 04:24:58 PM: quote:
I congratulate Liz for a great showing, however, I have to agree with most of jokers post. Because it has been proven that in bowling, the women can be competitive against the men, why aren't the men allowed to compete in the women's events? It just seems to me it is one sided. I'm not just talking about professional events, but abc,wibc,etc.

Wayne

GET A CLUE JOKER & WAYNE: THERE IS NO MORE PRO BOWLING FOR WOMEN!!! THE PWBA CLOSED IN 2003----WHY DO U THINK THE PBA OPENED ITS DOORS TO PROFESSIONAL WOMEN BOWLERS!!!

Why are some men so dumb and dense? This has already been mentioned several times in this thread--don't you guys READ????

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Edited on 3/21/2005 5:22 PM
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: JOE FALCO on March 22, 2005, 08:07:14 AM: She only joined the PBA a few weeks ago .. doesn't that make her a ROOKIE? Can't see that she would be eligible for that condition NEXT YEAR ..
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: michelle on March 22, 2005, 08:34:56 AM: quote:
She only joined the PBA a few weeks ago .. doesn't that make her a ROOKIE? Can't see that she would be eligible for that condition NEXT YEAR ..

maybe CJ or another member can speak up...but I am guessing that the PBA is not unlike the old PWBA guidelines which stated you held rookie status until you had competed in a certain number of events. However, there was also a minimum number of events that one had to compete in for eligibility on the award...
Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: DanH78 on March 22, 2005, 08:59:39 AM: Since she just joined the PBA this year, she's a rookie. (I'm not sure about # of events or time frame you get to keep that status though) Chris Barnes was a professional bowler long before he joined the PBA, and he got ROY. I'm sure that statement could be made about several other past ROY's. Ichiro played in Japan for several years, but he was a rookie to MLB.
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Title: Re: Liz Johnson Makes History!
Post by: Platinum Bowler on March 22, 2005, 04:18:59 PM: Well I just saw the show. It was a good show. Congrats to Liz on her tremendous bowling, and historic day. It all went exactly how I thought it would. I think it is a good thing that a woman had made the finals, but I didnt think it would be a good thing for her to win. At least not yet...in the first attempt. It makes it better for a furute storyline, for the next time a woman makes the show.
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