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qstick777

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Making a living on tour ??
« on: April 11, 2005, 09:46:08 AM »
http://www.pba.com/ytdstats.asp?Tour=1&Stype=Earnings

Okay - there is the link to the top 100 earners this season.  Honestly, can you guys say that even half of these people can "make a living" by bowling?

I don't know a whole lot about the tour - I guess it runs from Fall through Spring (October through April).  I'm not sure how long a tournament runs, but I'm guessing its something like golf, so Thursday-Sunday, then figure in travel time and expenses (hotels, gas, meals, etc).  

With #50 on the list making $43k, how reasonable is it to say these people are even surviving?

Where is the money?

I personally think some things need to change to bring more audience to the tour and increase revenue, but I'll save those for another post.

 

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2005, 12:29:03 PM »
I have spoken to a few retired pro's, and while they spent their lives doing what they loved, most tell me that unless your name is WRW or Norm Duke, you wont be able to make a living on tour. Sure, you might have a year or three where you are at your best, and you survive, but ONLY the guys who can make several shows a year for a decade or more have a shot at really making any good money. Most of the guys I have talked to say that there is nothing like it, but that if they had to choose, they wouldn't have done it. It's too hard.
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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2005, 12:48:08 PM »
Parker Bohn told me that in order to survive on tour you must make atleast $35,000 in winnings to pay for what you'll spend during the season in gas, food, etc. Ball companies (I believe) are only responsible for your tourney and the equipment you use. The fact is that most bowlers are already financially dependant enough to live comfortably on tour.
The truth is, our sport is not big enough to give away million dollar purses, atleast not yet. This season paid out the most money and is continuing to pay out with the Road to Riches($200,000 to the winner). With PA making $300,000+, he has the opportunity to win over $500,000. With the new format, it insures that if you stay competitive, then, you will have no problem breaking even. Compare this years money list to last years, and you see that even though the money is the same, the overall figure is better. Parker won $100,000+ and finished 10th.
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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2005, 02:04:49 PM »
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Also remember hearing Couch say the Ebonite ball's hit to hard and then having Angelo say that the Brunswick ones get all 10 though. Or something like that during a match. Please keep in mind that bowling never has and probably never will be a BIG time sport. It is not an offcial sport in the Olympics, but windsurfing or table tennis is. Bowling has always been considered a recreation sport. Until the light is shined differently on the sport that is all it will ever be seen as. It was nice to hear Mr. Bettis say that the bowlers on tour should be considered athletes. Don't know if this makes sense or not but hope it does help a little.
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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2005, 02:33:22 PM »
Here goes I'm going to tell you guys a true personal story.

I bowled professionally for 5 years from 97-02 on the Midwest Regional tour.
Now I hear you talk about bowling and think theres money to be made out there and let me tell you its HARD!!!!!
My cash to entry ratio was around 60% not bad.
The best year I had was in '01 when I cashed in 90% of my tournaments.
After expenses care to guess what my net profit was for the year?????



$50.

This was figuring in mileage,hotels,food, equipment and misc. expenses.

So in '2 some people asked me about going out on the National tour.
I said sure if you can come up with a good enough financial package I'd look at it.
The said how much do you need I looked them all in the eye and said $200K.
They told me I was NUTS.
Then my comeback went something like this;

1) you need at the minimum a 2 year commitment to do it right.
2) I have expenses at home that don't go away(mortgage,car payments,life insurance,health insurance, food and a host of other bills).
3) Lost wages figuring I make(guaranteed from my regular job $40K/yr)
4) loss of my seniority at my job because most employers will not give you a leave of abscense to try this endeavor.
5) being gone and on the road  roughly 60% of the time.
6) a new vechicle because your going to need it for all of that travel!!!!!
missing out on seeing my family.

So your comeback is take them with you.
Try taking a 5yr old and infant anywhere longer than 10 minutes away from home and see how your nerves are doing.
Now multiply that by how many miles between tour stops!!!!
You'd finish at the bottom everytime.

Just ask any of the guys that aren't in the top 10-15 in the standings how they're set fininancially.
       


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qstick777

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2005, 06:01:52 PM »
I really appreciate the insight from bass and the others.  It really makes me look at bowlers in a different light - almost like watching those "day in the life" documentaries on MTV (you see the hours spent on the tour bus, in rehearsal, radio station interviews, etc. Then you hear about how little the "artists" actually make from record sales).  It doesn't make me pity them, just makes me wonder why they would choose that profession.

I don't really know if I enjoy the sport that much to endure all that.  Don't get me wrong - I love to bowl, and there are plenty of days when I wish I could quit my job and just bowl, but if bowling was my job would I enjoy it the same?  Would I want to do it if I knew I could make more money selling used cars, or something else?  Maybe these guys do come from wealthy families, or maybe they can't do anything else except bowl?

It just seems strange to me that people can ride skateboards, or golf, and something else and make millions, while the top bowlers in the world are making so little.

I know it is all about the fan base and what the market will bear, and its the same with pro soccer or the wnba - you have people doing something they love and making $60k a year, while you have nfl and mlb players making multi-million a year playing a similar sport.

I guess it really has to do with perception of the sport (game).  I know sometimes I watch the PBA and say "wow, this is really boring to watch - if I didn't understand the game I wouldn't watch this" and I know that that is probably what most people are saying when they see it on TV.  I do the same with baseball (sorry, I think baseball is really boring to watch).

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2005, 10:48:31 AM »
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The sad thing is that bowling ratings on tv have always been decent, especially when it was on ABC. One problem has been marketing. The bowling demographic was always discounted and nobody ever took those ratings and make a case to get better advertisers. It could have been done. Maybe it still can, but it becomes more difficult to grab a decent nitch in the cable satellite market.


Very true, but it can be done.  Look at the World Poker Tour.  It can't just be the game, because you can find 2 or 3 other "poker" shows on Game Show Network, Bravo, Fox Sports, ESPN, etc but the WPT is the one you always seem to hear people talking about.  Same with American Chopper - some shows just seem to draw people.  I know that for some reason I can't stand to watch Arena Football.  I guess the PBA just needs to find a way to make the sport more appealing to the general public (of course then the rest of the "serious" bowlers would probably be turned off).

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2005, 11:14:59 AM »
If the guy made 43k in earnings, his sponsor is getting at least half of that. So that leaves the bowler with a net salary of a little more than 20K per year..

I am just an avergae joe and I could not survive on that..

As fas as the guys getting extra money from other sources such as ball and shoe manufacturers, only the top few guys make enough to even count that..

Very few can make it by just bowling and thats it.. Most of them have other sources of income be it another job or a spouse that works..
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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2005, 11:34:21 AM »
IF,...and that's a BIG if,...if ESPN ever decides to get behind bowling, and show it just a little respect, bowling could get back on the road to success.
Right now ALL sports roads go through ESPN...except GOLF,..Arnie said the hell with ESPN and bought his own channel,....I wonder if Mr Palmer bowls...

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2005, 11:36:55 AM »
Jkiser01 – It is worse than that. The normal agreement is that all monies go to the sponsor until expenses are met then they share 50/50 after that.

Assuming expenses are 25K they would split the 18k between them. So 9k for his 6 months of bowling.

But this year with the guaranteed 2k per week and exempt player would have been foolish not to sponsor themselves.

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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2005, 02:52:37 PM »
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Most of the guys on tour come from privledged backgrounds in the first place.  It's not like bowling is your only income when you've been sitting on a couple hundred grand in the first place since you were in your early 20s.
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Re: Making a living on tour ??
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2005, 02:59:58 PM »
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Most of the guys on tour come from privledged backgrounds in the first place.  It's not like bowling is your only income when you've been sitting on a couple hundred grand in the first place since you were in your early 20s.
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Are you a moron?  I'd like some substantiation of tbis.  In my experience most, if not all, touring pros come from what would be nominally described as working class or LMC backgrounds.  I somehow must have missed where The Donald has a son on tour.

If this was an attempt at satire on your part, I will 1) offer an apology and 2) offer a suggestion that you take up another art form.
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