Author Topic: Medford stop??? (Read 8135 times)

sdbowler · « **on:** November 13, 2009, 06:41:41 AM »

Have any of you guys heard about this yet?http://www.pba.com/news/feature.asp?ID=1672
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Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:41:26 AM »

Being from Medford myself and bowling there, I understand the point of Lava Lanes. This area is not doing great right now, and as was mentioned, sponsorship dollars are just not there to offset the fee to host the tournament. And Lava could not offset the costs this year.

I agree that the options beyond ESPN are quite limited and I bet no matter where you tried to go for coverage they would want the PBA to pay for it. The days of ABC and ESPN paying for the right are long gone. And while I think it would be one of the worst mistakes they could ever make, I can also see them making it Xtra Frame only, or at least having certain tournaments be that way.

Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2009, 11:10:55 AM »

Gee - things must be tough - I had hoped that last post would at least stir up some conversation.

The reason I called the PBA a touring circus is that the cards are stacked against the local competitors.

The pros travel with factory reps and so much equipment a local bowler feels like they brought one person to a team sport event.

Too even things out, I would much prefer:
1. You can bring a 4-ball bag in the house - that is what you can bowl with that day - this should help local bowlers some and add some brand interest relevant to league and recreation bowlers.
2. No practice on the pair where you will bowl next - warm up on other lane pairs.
3. No ball can have more surface than 500 Abralon.
4. #2 & #3 are designed to keep bowlers from throwing a 60 grit surface in practice then using completely different balls using the created out of bounds.
5. The tournament lane condition shall be the US Open lane condition - yep it will change and invert - so be it. Different houses will not play the same but it will even the playing field and make it simpler for the hosting house. The changing lane conditions will demand good ball choices. The limited number of balls available will result in less use of completely different arsenals on each lane. Bowlers will, as in the past, have to adjust their line and delivery.
6. Forget exempt spots, or lack there of, they have not helped the PBA survive.

Any suggestions?

Edited on 11/15/2009 12:13 PM

mumzie · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:28:37 PM »

The tour stop in Medford has long been the favorite on the PBA tour. So if the PBA itself was going to cancel a stop, this wouldn't be the one they'd cancel.

I have no issue with Lava Lanes not being able to come up with the $$. Last year it was obvious that the area was extremely hard hit - this year is definitely worse. We live about 250 miles from there, and are at every PBA event - sadly, not this year.

BUT I have a question for the PBA - they're headquartered in Seattle. Seattle does not host a tournament. Maybe someone in Seattle (or the PBA itself) should figure out a way to step up and have a tournament in the headquarters city!!!

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Krakken · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:36:31 PM »

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Forget exempt spots, or lack there of, they have not helped the PBA survive.

That sounds like a good idea to my ears because one thing alot of people have is a misconception that you won't be able to do well unless you are exempt, which yes in a way is true but when you think ryan ciminelli this season has been using tqr's and so far has made 2 shows. I think that major winners whould get exemptions for 2-4 seasons as the majors are the hardest to win and thats it only they are exempt.

I think if they lowered the the limit to equipment that would encourage more people to bowl because not every local bowler can afford so many balls

This is a bad idea. The exempt field does what it can to ensure that "names" are in the field. Look at what happens when golf tournaments don't have Tiger, Phil Mickelson, Or another big name. Ratings are horrible. People want to watch the best in the world, not who is hot that week. Bowling is different in only 4 or 5 guys make the show. That is the "cut" equivlant in bowling.

The exempt guys have earned it, it isn't just handed to them. It is fine the way it is.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #20 on:** November 15, 2009, 04:50:00 PM »

Ah good - conversation - personally I only favor exemptions for tour winners, two years for a major, one year for other titles. This keeps the most recent winners in the public eye while bringing in new faces.

Edited on 11/15/2009 5:51 PM

Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #21 on:** November 15, 2009, 04:56:46 PM »

Krakken wrote: "People want to watch the best in the world, not who is hot that week."

That really hasn't been demonstrated to me - the low ratings of the PBA shows indicate the current format is not succeeding.

Now I personally like to see all my old favorites - but the PBA get's my viewership anyway.

bolngod · « **Reply #22 on:** November 15, 2009, 05:57:52 PM »

Pete Weber won the midwest regional today in Muscatine, Iowa. There were probably 100 to 200 fans in attendance. During his thank you speech Pete said they didn't have a crowd this big even one day at the world series of bowling. WHAT!!! We had nearly 170 bowlers participate in the pro am. Again he said they didn't have that many in Detroit. WHAT!!!

Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:27:07 PM »

They couldn't expect even the die hard fans from the Detroit area to support the bowlers for that many straight days. I wouldn't be shocked to hear how bad the crowds were.

TDC57 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:17:25 AM »

League bowling has never lived or died because of the PBA. Years ago nore league bowlers watched it but the show had more class and the bowlers had more charisma. If the PBA goes away, league bowling will not suffer. Did the amount of ladies bowling in leagues diminish with the end of the PWBA? Quit talking about soft league shots causing the demise of the PBA. It only shows you total ignorance or how young you are.

jorr19 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:38:56 AM »

when we had the one taylor lanes event it was packed. you cant fill a bowling center for 40 straight days.
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Krakken · « **Reply #26 on:** November 16, 2009, 08:24:52 AM »

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Krakken wrote: "People want to watch the best in the world, not who is hot that week."

That really hasn''t been demonstrated to me - the low ratings of the PBA shows indicate the current format is not succeeding.

Now I personally like to see all my old favorites - but the PBA get''s my viewership anyway.

You will still watch, but names are what drive the sport on TV. Have a few weeks with all relative "nobodys" on the show and watch the ratings plummet.

You don''t want people turning on the TV going "Who is this?" Sure fire way to have them turn it off.
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Edited on 11/16/2009 9:25 AM

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #27 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:36:55 AM »

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Krakken wrote: "People want to watch the best in the world, not who is hot that week."

That really hasn''''t been demonstrated to me - the low ratings of the PBA shows indicate the current format is not succeeding.

Now I personally like to see all my old favorites - but the PBA get''''s my viewership anyway.

You will still watch, but names are what drive the sport on TV. Have a few weeks with all relative "nobodys" on the show and watch the ratings plummet.

You don''''t want people turning on the TV going "Who is this?" Sure fire way to have them turn it off.
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Edited on 11/16/2009 9:25 AM

Not necessarily.

Sometimes, when a relative unkown that rises to the task, such as 2002 Masters champion Brett Wolfe, and 2009 Masters champion John Nolen, it creates rabid excitement into an otherwise mundane sport, due to their unexpected and spectacular performances.

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Edited on 11/16/2009 10:37 AM

LotsaBalls · « **Reply #28 on:** November 16, 2009, 10:18:22 AM »

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They couldn''t expect even the die hard fans from the Detroit area to support the bowlers for that many straight days. I wouldn''t be shocked to hear how bad the crowds were.

I spent quite alot of time in detroit through out the world series and the crowds were quite good at times especially during the later rounds of match play. Detroit being one of the hardest hit areas in the country during this bad economy you dont think 25 dollars a day to watch is a little steep. MOst people can only afford to go once or twice over the whole month plus they were there. I am good friends with a local exempt playerso Ididn''t have to pay to get in but if that wasn''t the case I would have only went once or twice.

Edited on 11/16/2009 1:20 PM

mumzie · « **Reply #29 on:** November 16, 2009, 11:38:03 AM »

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Did the amount of ladies bowling in leagues diminish with the end of the PWBA?

Maybe league bowling itself hasn't gone away for women, but the scratch competitions at ALL levels have gone way down.
There used to be quite a few tournaments for women scratch bowlers. Not any more...

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CHILLX · « **Reply #30 on:** November 16, 2009, 12:51:08 PM »

This means most of the south regional players will probably come to my tournament now since there is not a national stop. Maybe Tommy Jones and Walter Ray and such will stop by, when think about it I pay more than any regional plus side pot action and the entry fee is way less.

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