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Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« on: November 13, 2004, 11:24:15 PM »
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2004, 06:08:42 PM »
I Agree with Luckylefty! You cant say that WRW doesnt get the job done. But if would tape the show and watch it close you would see what LL is talking about.

Edited on 11/14/2004 7:08 PM

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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2004, 06:20:51 PM »
I will agree up to a point, but in reality, almost nobody can repeat shots EXACTLY time after time. There are always minor variations in the approach, release point, finger pressure, rotation and lift, etc. etc. To top that off, there is the constant transition that the lane undergoes. However, part of being good, or in Walter Ray's case GREAT - is the ability to find a way to "create area". Their ability to repeat shots is so much better than most of us that they don't need much help from the lane. Most bowlers today need to have their area created by the friendly lane man, but the superstars are able to do that with the correct choice of equipment, line, and technique. So perhaps along with the phrase "repeating shots", we also need to add "matching up" to the list of attributes that the top superstars seem to have over their opponents?

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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2004, 07:03:03 PM »
I don't know if WRW is repeating shots! I don't know if WRW is all over the alley! I don't know if he creates area! I do know he's beating EVERYBODY! I do know he's wining again and this year he's started early! With 18 more weeks to go .. I WONDER how many he will bowl and how many of those he will WIN? He might wind up with a FANTASTIC HISTORY MAKING year!
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2004, 07:13:59 PM »
You guy's seem to have left out one very important fact and that is it's a money game and WRW is out to make money every week,mnth,year.The last 2 yrs. he has made over $500,000 and $3.5 mil. in his career so be mad at the other guy's for not wanting the gold ring like WRW does,so if you had to play the 1 board to win why not? the other guy's chose not to do that so their loss not his
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2004, 07:47:24 PM »
You'd have to be a bowling moron to doubt WRW's ability,
YET, my question is -

Why doesn't Doug Kent have 20 - 25 PBA titles?

The man is absolutely amazing, a technician of the highest degree, dead perfect in his execution, his stroke, his release, every damned aspect of this game/sport. If there is anyone I would pattern a bowling game after, it is he!

I agree with Lucky. Except for throwing that 10 pin a little fast, he made more perfect shots than WRW. Carry power is a nebulous factor.

What a great match!
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2004, 08:46:10 PM »
There's such a fine line between consistently cashing and going all the way and winning. Given all the variables in this sport, you probably can't pinpoint the difference to just one thing. Maybe WRW has a more consistent mental game? Doug Kent arguably has a better physical game than WRW. One factor that can't be ruled out is equipment. Good ball reaction fosters confidence. Walter didn't win a whole lot during his Faball days. Ebonite had a good run for a while, but nobody is getting real excited about their stuff recently.

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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2004, 03:54:46 AM »
Yes again I could never criticize the at least best bowler of all time(tied with my favorite Earl).

He is an incredible human being and athlete.  On the show today he was relatively all over the place in the heads.  Not exceeding the mark hitting ability of one of your areas most accurate stars at all.  I believe he was striking with about 3 boards of variation in the heads and much more at the breakpoint.

Doug Kent probably after his first crossover either flushed his mark or missed by only one on nearly every ball.  He IS an awesome physical bowler.  He will probably get over 10 wins if not 15 in his career and make the hall of fame!

I think that V2 clean is a great bowling ball!  I think Mika showed how good their stuff was last year as did the woman while the Woman's PBA was still going strong.

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PS I think in today's light oil environment Ebonite stuff is great due to their somewhat cleaner and weaker coverstocks in the reactive area.  Similar to storm in this area.
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2004, 10:17:40 AM »
randy pedersen was correct when he stated during the telecast that, "we may never see a player of walter ray's ability again". he's not your average pba touring pro and future generations of up and coming touring pros are going to have their work cut out for them to approach what he's accomplished. congrats on #40 walter !

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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2004, 10:42:12 AM »
I don't know what you guys mean by all over the place.  WRW was incredibly consistent at the break point, in a two board (wide) area.  I think we ignore the ability to find and hit a break point and overplay consistency of line in the heads and midlanes.  One of the finest bowlers I have ever seen -- who many of you have never heard of -- drifts inconsistently on the approach, plays lines all over the place, but if you watch the ball at the breakpoint, it always seems to be in the same place.

WRW has learned to take the heads and midlanes out of play and find a breakpoint.  He has proven that his hand-eye coordination are so extraordinary its super human (as was Earl Anthony's, though most people don't remember that).  He has once again proven that hard work in this game and learning how to get the ball to where it needs to go with your style is incredibly important. (I have heard and read his thoughts -- practice doesn't make perfect, it makes consistent and is, essentially a cure all, which is EXACTLY what Anthony believed and lived, at least when he was competing).

As to versatility, the key is he can adapt his game to what he faces, not that can he do many things.  With the exception of Norm Duke (who is in my book the most naturally talented BOWLER of all time) the great players have not been extremely "versatile" in the sense of making dramatic changes in rotation, speed, etc.  They simply made the condition fit their game within what they can do (Chris Barnes, are you listening?).

WRW is so good its stupid.  And he is 45, in great shape and appears to be having a good time.  He could win another 10 or 15.  Enjoy the spectacle of pure, unbleached greatness while you can.
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Re: Uniroyal Tire Classic - Today's Show
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2004, 03:02:29 AM »
If you think having a 1 board left and right variation in the heads is real accurate then more power to your.  Again I believe he was more all over the lane in the heads than usual and certainly more than his opponent.

His sensitivity to his armswing and release changes is uncanny.  This is not a criticism.  I believe that this SKILL is truly a skill.  As to hitting his mark on the show Doug Kent was the man.

I am not qualified to hold Walter Rays dirty socks but I've bowled with a lot of guys who hit their mark in the heads a lot better than he did Sunday and they didn't shoot 650!

When I bowl my absolute best I often get into the same sort of thing and have seen on film that when really going good I will often go in a pattern of 1 board left with more hook, one board right with less hook and then splice it!
Where Walter Ray does it every day and 90% of his games I record these incidents as in, "REmember the day when I......".

To put it in perspective when I talk to other players in bowling who scoff at this skill set in bowling and put it as less than hitting your mark in heads, I respond that it is a better skill to have and make the analogy.
"In golf they don't give rewards for who was closest to their intended spot in the air at 50 yards after the ball takes off, they reward who was closest to the pin and then made the putt!"

Walter Ray!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I for whatever reason have been called by a local regional champ as my "Only coach".  One of the things he always prided himself on was being the most accurate player in the area at the arrows.  He had also been tested at some tourneys when he was on tour and was always in the top at hitting his mark in the heads(top 3,top 4 etc.)  He's good let me tell you.  Further we went to Kegel and this was shown however he was surprised that his projection angle was not much better than a 180 bowler.

My response, of course not.  YOU WILL do anything to hit your mark.  Break your wrist, twist your body etc.  Instead of focusing on your ultimate target the breakpoint and on holding your form.  Once we got him focused on NOT hitting his mark and focusing on quality position at the line his average has skyrocketed in to the upper stratasphere.  No not 250 but where he has never been before!
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