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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: abrown on April 13, 2008, 09:58:05 AM

Title: mushtare
Post by: abrown on April 13, 2008, 09:58:05 AM
while looking threw some of the regional events today i noticed that robert mushtare kid is actually having some success in the east regional. not backing him but mayhbe the kid really does have game. he finished 6th on the shark pattern
Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Motogp69 on April 13, 2008, 06:02:33 PM
With a 197 average, and only 2 name bowlers in the field. What an accomplishment. Yeah, he really lit it on fire.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: abrown on April 13, 2008, 06:08:22 PM
yeah he didn't tear it up per say but hes out there and having some minor success. once again I'm not sticking up for him.
Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: bowlallthetime on April 13, 2008, 06:43:09 PM
He still bowled well enough to make a cut.  Give him a little credit for trying to bowl a regional.  You know everyone was watching to see what he would do.
Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: DON DRAPER on April 13, 2008, 09:24:48 PM
i made the cut at a regional and didn't have to cheat to shoot a 900 series.
Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Rev_O on April 13, 2008, 09:29:22 PM
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i made the cut at a regional and didn't have to cheat to shoot a 900 series.


Same here!!
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Hogsharley on April 13, 2008, 09:36:40 PM
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 You know everyone was watching to see what he would do.


Except when he pre-bowls. Nobody was watching then.

He must have gotten better and yet, no more 900's for this guy since the rules change.

Why do people sympathize with cheaters. You must also be a Barry Bonds fan.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 13, 2008, 10:11:55 PM
About 94 guys wish they had beaten him....

No one famous. ...Well Ryan Shafer...who did average quite a bit higher....

1st regional for him...

AND a poster on here that maybe was trying to pooh pooh him wishes he had been within about 200 pins of him...

Means he shot the 900sss?  No relationship.

OH...have recently heard of some comments EXCLUDED in the Outside the lines story of awhile back.....

REgards,

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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Uncle Crusty on April 13, 2008, 10:21:08 PM
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About 94 guys wish they had beaten him....

No one famous. ...Well Ryan Shafer...who did average quite a bit higher....

1st regional for him...

AND a poster on here that maybe was trying to pooh pooh him wishes he had been within about 200 pins of him...

Means he shot the 900sss?  No relationship.

OH...have recently heard of some comments EXCLUDED in the Outside the lines story of awhile back.....

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Have you ever heard of compiling your thoughts into coherent sentences and paragraphs instead of rifling off cryptic questions and snippets? Sorting through your mumbo-jumbo is 250 times more annoying than reading sensible English.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 13, 2008, 10:26:20 PM
Translation...better than 94 other regional bowlers one weekend...not better than 5.

For any additional explanations...

REgards,

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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: APheLion on April 13, 2008, 11:07:03 PM
like it or not, the kid actually did that and i respect it

so, i second that lefty

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Translation...better than 94 other regional bowlers one weekend...not better than 5.

For any additional explanations...

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Motogp69 on April 14, 2008, 07:16:47 AM
Yeah, lets see how he does in a regional when all the exempt bowlers are there getting ready for the national tour. I don't know the East region so maybe some of those 94 were good bowlers, but look at the results sheet only 2 names stuck out in my mind and that was Leclair and Shafer.

What were they bowling on that 197 could muster that kind of finish? Was it like the US Open where a whole bunch of league bowlers showed up to try their luck and screwed the pattern? Or was everyone there but Leclair that bad.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: MVbowler on April 14, 2008, 09:09:17 AM
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Yeah, lets see how he does in a regional when all the exempt bowlers are there getting ready for the national tour. I don't know the East region so maybe some of those 94 were good bowlers, but look at the results sheet only 2 names stuck out in my mind and that was Leclair and Shafer.

What were they bowling on that 197 could muster that kind of finish? Was it like the US Open where a whole bunch of league bowlers showed up to try their luck and screwed the pattern? Or was everyone there but Leclair that bad.
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If you were there you would have noticed. Shafer has not had very much success in recent years @ the rome regional during match play. Shafer went +158 for qualifying, then started off well against mushtare in match play. Mushtare then stepped up and beat him. Fair and square. Give the kid some credit. He earned his check, by beating an exempt bowler he is proving that he is able to compete with some of the big boys. Ok, so everyone likes making a stink about the 900's. GET OVER IT. that is really old news, and look @ what he is doing now and proving that he is a good bowler.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: chitown on April 14, 2008, 09:16:45 AM
Yes give him credit for beatn out many other bowlers in the regional.  However, the guy is a cheater!  It's a total disgrace that he cheated and is now in the record books for shooting two 900 series!  It would be different if someone other than HIS family witnessed the 900 series!

Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 14, 2008, 10:06:13 AM
In looking at the match play scores except for the winner Brian LeClair and Steve Ferrara who tore it up....they were in general steadily decreasing....most of the bowlers in match play declined in average during this portion.  

Regarding only family seeing his 900s I believe there were 11 to 17 witnesses some of them military officers from the local base.

Also....from this website comments of the original poster who posted "Rome NY" in the PBA forum of this site

Jason Baker pbarookie2008
         Posted: 4/14/2008 6:50 AM    
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PA did not compete as well as Tomek...not sure why though and I must say that the shark pattern on this surfaces was the toughest I have ever bowled on.

REgards,

Luckylefty

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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: baccala8872 on April 14, 2008, 10:30:23 AM
Not to mention that he finished ahead of a couple of guys I know pretty well from bowling centers across the NY/NJ area, who are very fine bowlers in their own right.  To go out there and finish ahead of guys like John Neral, Ken Yokobosky and Charles Anderson, you are bowling pretty well.

I don't like what he did to the sport with that whole 900 debacle, but I do have to grudgingly respect his efforts for what he accomplished here.  There's plenty of people we all don't like necessarily, but do respect what they do on the lanes.

Maybe his technique on predicting single pin leaves was a little bit rusty during his round of 8 matches?!?
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: tenpin477 on April 14, 2008, 01:49:13 PM
I think the point is, its obvious this kid has some talent. Whether or not he actually bowled the 900s, which I don't think he did, hes not merely a "House Hack BS Artist" anymore, hes now a "Moderately Talented BS Artist"

Sorry for whoever said that for stealing it lol, but it fit the topic.
Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: KDawg77 on April 14, 2008, 01:49:55 PM
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: OddBalls on April 14, 2008, 01:54:22 PM
Was he using a Buzzbomb? That could be why..
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Uncle Crusty on April 20, 2008, 10:13:27 PM
It's pretty much a given that he cheated on some level with respect to his 900's, but as much as I hate to do so, I gotta tip my cap to the kid. At least he has the stones to go out there and compete against some of the best bowlers in the northeast, and he managed to hold his own and bowled rather well.

I was on the same squad as Robbie in Junior Gold in 2006, so I have seen this kid bowl firsthand. I even crossed near him a few games. And while I'm not trying to defend the kid in the least, because that whole 900 debacle was beyond terrible for the sport, I must at least admit that he throws it pretty well.

I never thought I would find myself defending him, but he's at least gone out and done something now to prove he's not solely a Pine Plains house rat. That being said, I don't think you'll ever hear me speak of this kid again, because I'm tired of hearing his name.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: Hogsharley on April 20, 2008, 10:22:27 PM
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Not to flog a dead horse, but the USBC should have never sanctioned pre-bowl 900's.



The USBC had no choice. He was going to get legal action and the rules were in his favor.
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Title: Re: mushtare
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 20, 2008, 11:38:13 PM
ALSO...there is at least one other prebowl 900 approved by the USBC before his.

There is no doubt prebowl scoring is influenced(particularly on the right side) by the lack of crosslane traffic.  It puts righties (if there is just a small number of people bowling on the right) back to at least on par or maybe even ahead of the lefty....as the condition changes.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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