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Necromancer

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NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« on: October 19, 2008, 04:05:53 AM »
Let's face it, it doesn't matter if they can't hook like the PBA bowlers, but strikes are strikes.  This could really make bowling look a lot disrespected than ever.  If an NBA pro can bowl 180+, then I will LOL.

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2008, 03:54:15 PM »
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If bowling is so easy, why aren't you on tour right now?


I make a lot more money at my regular job, like many other people with decent degrees, which doesn't say much for bowling.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2008, 03:58:28 PM »
If you are so smart, what would you do to build the PBA up and also bowling in general? I did watch most of it to see what the NBA players would be like. I thought it was fun to watch. Only way it would have been better was if other brands could have been involved. It sucked that it was an all Ebonite family line up of equipment.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2008, 04:05:58 PM »
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If you are so smart, what would you do to build the PBA up and also bowling in general? I did watch most of it to see what the NBA players would be like. I thought it was fun to watch. Only way it would have been better was if other brands could have been involved. It sucked that it was an all Ebonite family line up of equipment.
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Didn't say I was so smart but here are my thoughts as a current MBA student:

-Make a serious change to the time slot and possibly the network that bowling is on right now.  Change the day possibly or the time to a different one.
-End the exempt status BS.  That single-handedly in my opinion, turned away a lot of bowlers that are capable of bowling pro but won't because of that crap.
-Get better sponsors.  The current ones are complete dog@#%^.
-Change the way bowling is broadcast.
-Increase the buy-ins for the tournaments.  Until more serious money is on the line, no one will care.  They are making less now than 5-10 years ago, yet inflation has still increased as well as prices in general.  Makes no sense at all to me or anyone with any common sense.
-Even change the whole way bowling is done.  Make it a buy-in tournament.  If you don't got the money, someone else will.  That is your problem.  So many on the exempt tour don't even belong there.  I would say no one does.  There is no reason why some bowler can skip qualifications and not have to qualify like an outsider.  So many weeks there is some exempt bowler bowling like crap but "oh noes! he is exempt, he must be good and deserve his status until 201X or whatever"

There are a ton of more ideas but I don't know the capabilities of the PBA or what they are trying to represent.  Seems like they are in idle mode right towards bankruptcy or termination.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008, 04:21:19 PM »
Well then since you have all these ideas get some people to pony up the money and start something new.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2008, 04:38:14 PM »
My reply was to kidjete, btw.

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 04:50:05 PM »
And I see nothing wrong with Lumber Liquidators being the title sponsor. They've become a pretty big company and sponsor several other national sports. I'd rather have them and Denny's, two national longstanding companies, then no sponsors at all.

I don't like the fact that prizefunds are down. I'm about to start bowling regionals and I too currently make about the same in my current job as a journeyman pro would(and that's without expenses) on the national tour. But at least there still is a prizefund, and at least there's still bowling to watch on sundays. Maybe someday the prize funds will go up and there will be more incentive to go out. But right now there isn't.


The exempt bowlers earned their spots last year. If he bowls like crap all year, then next year he won't be exempt, and someone else will.  If you can't make it through the ways available then you aren't exempt. Until prize funds go up, it's really the only incentive for a player knowing they'll at least make a check to cover most expenses even if they have a bad week.

Bowling is not poker, if you make it a buy in tournament like so, no one will bowl, because nobody has the money to blow. There's too much skill and physical ability and less luck involved to even compare it to poker, and not nearly the cash flow.

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »
And on a side rant, why didn't they make this a REAL celebrity tournament? WHere was Drew Carey? Pair up any group of D list celebrities with pros and have at it. Where was Jerome Betis? Jeff Gordon? Charity is charity, right?

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2008, 05:39:54 PM »
We can all wish for these things to happen like some of Necro's ideas but plain and simple reality prevents them from happening. Sorry to say but bowling just isn't that desireable to spectators, sponsors, etc to be demanding that kind of money or exposure currently.

And was the score really that important in this event? We are doing a charity event here so whats wrong with people taking the time to try and put on an entertaining show for everyone (not just us diehards) within the parameters and make money for charity?

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2008, 06:26:30 PM »
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it showed that bowling is not hard to do, its hard to be good at.



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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 08:01:40 PM »
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And on a side rant, why didn't they make this a REAL celebrity tournament? WHere was Drew Carey? Pair up any group of D list celebrities with pros and have at it. Where was Jerome Betis? Jeff Gordon? Charity is charity, right?


Exactly!  To not have Jerome Bettis was just stupid.  Out of the NBA stars they had, the only decent one was Chris Paul.  I would have celebrities that can actually bowl so it would be more entertaining.  I don't like Durrant on the court, so why would I like to watch him bowl?  

The PBA really needs to think what they are trying to achieve before just calling on NBA stars to bowl.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 08:03:33 PM »
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necro is not that smart.  Just another twenty something with a degree.  Funny, why did you go to school and get that degree just to train for cage fighting?  And really, who cares about what you can bench press?  Not too many 15 yr old girls on this board that would impress.  It would be impressive if you would actually post something useful for once.  Oh, by the way, keep on adding to that "arsenal".  One of these days you might be able to buy a game.

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I guarantee I can compete with you.  You know how I know?  Because bowling is a game with limits and unless you are going to bowl 300 every game, I have a chance.

BTW, I lead the league in average currently with 214.  

BTW #2, I only use 1 ball for league - Black Widow LOL.  My arsenal is for show-off purposes only as I carry my prized gems - the Helix Brothers.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 08:07:37 PM »
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We can all wish for these things to happen like some of Necro's ideas but plain and simple reality prevents them from happening. Sorry to say but bowling just isn't that desireable to spectators, sponsors, etc to be demanding that kind of money or exposure currently.

And was the score really that important in this event? We are doing a charity event here so whats wrong with people taking the time to try and put on an entertaining show for everyone (not just us diehards) within the parameters and make money for charity?


Well I say whoever is behind the PBA to research what the PGA did, what Nascar did, and what Poker did.  The PGA prizes and popularity were garbage back in the day.  Now it is awesome.  Same game, same technology advances, but somehow they figured it out.  Nascar is mostly a southern 'sport' if you call it a sport at all.  You watch cars go around in circles.  Not sure about anyone else, but I bet bowling is a lot more entertaining than that.  But Nascar blew up like nothing else.  Poker, well umm... they show a poker game.  It is on ESPN every day of the week.  It is also on CSN.  It is on NBC every night M-F.  Somehow some rocket-scientist figured it out.  

All 3 made it for different reasons.  All I'm asking is for someone smart in the PBA, to do the same.  Doesn't have to be money, it can be the way they show it on TV, the interaction, the game itself..., etc.
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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 08:18:19 PM »
Good Lord! As much as I enjoy bowling, I swear I don't think anyone on this earth WHINES MORE THAN bowlers...

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008, 08:52:07 PM »
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Didn't say I was so smart but here are my thoughts as a current MBA student:

-Make a serious change to the time slot and possibly the network that bowling is on right now.  Change the day possibly or the time to a different one.
Their hands are tied by when ESPN is willing to offer them a timeslot.  They actually do better at their current timeslot than almost anything else ESPN shows.  And unfortunately, going to another network will DECREASE viewership simply because so many people end up watching ESPN or ESPN2 because 1) they actually get those channels, and 2) they just naturally watch whatever's on it, and 3) people forget about stuff not on the usual channels.
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-End the exempt status BS.  That single-handedly in my opinion, turned away a lot of bowlers that are capable of bowling pro but won't because of that crap.
Can't argue this.  I don't like the exempt tour deal either.
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-Get better sponsors.  The current ones are complete dog@#%^.
1) How do you just plain get better sponsors?  Sponsors of ANY kind are damn near impossible to come by these days.  Look at NASCAR where sponsors are leaving left and right.  ANY sponsorship is better than no sponsorship.
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-Change the way bowling is broadcast.
That's kind of generic.  What would you do different?  How do you improve the broadcast without taking away from the match itself?
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-Increase the buy-ins for the tournaments.  Until more serious money is on the line, no one will care.  They are making less now than 5-10 years ago, yet inflation has still increased as well as prices in general.  Makes no sense at all to me or anyone with any common sense.
Increase the entry fee, decrease the participation.  It's a balancing act.  There's not that much money to go around these days...

Too many of your ideas are just unrealistic pipe dream type of ideas.  The PBA is just like other lower-popularity televised professional sports:  it's a business fighting for the eyes and dollars of a limited market.

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Re: NBA Players Better Than PBA Bowlers LOL
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2008, 09:12:35 PM »
Why all the bad-mouthing?  Does anybody really believe that since NBA players can throw a ball straight down the lanes and get a strike makes the PBA look bad?  What about all the 1 counts on the first ball that I saw?  A 7-pin here, a 10-pin there.

I see strikes all the time at my local lanes by folks that are happy to break 100.  Come on people, this is good publicity.  Lebron James has bowling lanes at his house and he starts out hitting one pin.

Most of the qualifying scores for the NBA guys were 200+ total for 2 games, meaning 100+ per game.  I give them credit for taking the time to do something for charity.  

Would it be cool to see bowling talented celebrities like Jerome Bettis or Nelly that have 200+ averages be involved in a PBA event?  Sure.  But, let's go one step at a time.

Speaking of whining, the bowling ball commercials with the guy saying that everyone else bowling good was cheating was very funny.  Satire at it's best!

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