Author Topic: Neither Mallot nor Duke particpated in the Mark Roth tournament? (Read 3246 times)

charlest · « **on:** March 27, 2010, 11:12:55 AM »

injuries?

But Brian Voss and Johnny Petraglia did.
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raff · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2010, 07:47:03 PM »

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Juggernaut · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2010, 07:56:41 PM »

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Malott WD on Tuesday. His wife is sick and is pregnant with another child on the way. He went home to be with his family.

Duke probably like last year feels that this proves nothing. As he quote on last years plastic ball event was along the lines of that.

I tend to agree with the people who say this proves nothing. It just proves that you can take a plastic ball, change the lane conditions to where you can get ridiculous entry angles with the plastic balls, and scoring will be through the roof because of it. It does not reflect shot making, ball roll manipulation or any of the factors that the 70s and 80s plastic bowling was known for.

It is another feeble attempt for that clown Tom Clark to produce gimmicks that somehow make PBA bowling marketable.

Tom Clark needs to go, he is the buffoon of bowling and the leader of sinking the ship.

Edited on 3/27/2010 7:25 PM

Malott didn't bowl in it last year either, and I was thinking it was him that made all the cracks about it being "gimmicky" last year. I hadn't heard about anything Duke might've said.

Even if Duke DID make those remarks, this isn't about PROVING anything. It's about the PBA deciding to have a throwback format tournament, using equipment akin to that used before the technological revolution.

Duke would be fine if he competed, he's talented. Seems like I remember hearing he's had some physical problems last year and may be still dealing with those?
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2010, 08:00:39 PM »

Sorry to hear about Wes's family problems.

While I agree with Duke, if that is still his opinion, I think many of these "special" tournaments have attracted crowds of people who would not ordinarily be interested in bowling. Some of the low scoring events, unintentionally have detracted from the non-bowling fanatic audience, but that's going to happen sometimes.

The PBA desperately needs help. Tom Clark is not a buffoon. He is genuinely interested in bowling and is doing as much as he can given the resources he has at hand. If you have better ideas that would please the general crowd, not just us bowling fanataics and not just you, please forward them to him.

There's a fine line being walked between gaining enough general audience and keeping bowling as a sport. Like in baseball, few general fans enjoy a 1-0 pitcher's duel with managers' decision making often the difference in who wins, difficult oil patterns that transition wildly is of no interest to the general public but loved by the true bowling fanatic because who executes best and makes the best ball and release decisionsis the one who usually wins. As opposed to the wild scoring contest, where luck decides the winner more often than not.
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mumzie · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2010, 09:49:20 PM »

I agree that the special formats are good for the sport. I overheard some people in the "happy hour" league after our league on Thursday discussing the "plastic ball tournament" - they were referring to it because the plastic balls are like the house balls they use in their party league.

So - bring 'em on - it makes a fun change of pace.
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MrPerfect · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2010, 10:40:55 PM »

Personally, I really like the plastic ball championship, because back in the day it's what we used to use to get ready for tournaments to really in grain that consistency.

There is friction though, so it's not that big of accomplishment, I mean look at the scoring pace.

Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2010, 11:11:00 PM »

I love how Duke gets yet another free pass by skipping the even but Wes skips it last year and dares to speak his mind about it and gets killed for it. At least he spun the thing into positive publicity with the whole PTI/Wilbon thing but once again, Duke no shows, and it's because "it proves nothing."

tburky · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2010, 11:24:20 PM »

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I love how Duke gets yet another free pass by skipping the even but Wes skips it last year and dares to speak his mind about it and gets killed for it. At least he spun the thing into positive publicity with the whole PTI/Wilbon thing but once again, Duke no shows, and it's because "it proves nothing."

do you suppose the marathon tournament is the reason duke took off this week?

AStrikingChink · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2010, 03:05:40 AM »

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If you have better ideas that would please the general crowd, not just us bowling fanataics and not just you, please forward them to him.

But there in lies the problem. Have you ever tried to email something to the PBA, write them a letter, or post something insightful on the PBA Forum, directing it towards the heads of the PBA? I have written a few things via email and letter and posted many things on the PBA forum, nothing has been returned to me in the form of a thank you for your input, and many things on the PBA Forum, not my posts but I have seen many other reasonable suggestions, just get bashed or many times just plain deleted by moderators for no apparent reason. One prime example was when I sent the PBA a letter regarding a sports columnist who was publically bashing HS Bowlers deserving to get a varsity letter and another who was bashing the accomplishments of Kelly Kulick winning against the men. I never heard any sort of response from the PBA on their take on either subject or any acknowledgement they see the problem just like I did. It was a surprising ESPN Rick Reilly article that I was able to find someone who at least stood up and took notice that Kelly Kulick should be given major credit for her historic accomplishment, and that the sports writer bashing Kulick's accomplishments should be ashamed of even being called a sports columist.

Tom Clark and the rest of the PBA executives intiatives to try new things and make changes they feel is for the better of the PBA, is not buffoonish. But rather their inability to be able to take criticism, seek out advice from other people not in the PBA exective positions, and listen to the concerns and opinions of the PBA players and its fans is what makes Tom and the rest of the PBA executives very baffoonish. A post such as this would never be posted by me in the PBA Forum as I know it would be deleted immediately.

I think I've put in enough of my 2 cents

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2010, 04:41:09 AM »

The PBA is currently clueless on what to do and continuing to change formats and events to see if anything works is proof.

The plastic ball challenge is a neat idea at best and that is it. They have to make the shot easy because no one wants to see pros shoot low scores during the week or on television.

Well that takes away from the credibility and the point of the event. So save that idea for when bowling gets popular again and not while it struggles to keep any chance of being a professional sport.

The PBA will be no more in a few years(two-three tops) because for the most part it has become a novelty sport.

There are very few sponsors, less and less money, and no viewers.

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Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2010, 12:34:01 PM »

The Marathon tourney may be why Duke took this week off, but when those two took the plastic ball off last year, Malott spoke up as to why he didn't want to bowl and he's the one that got killed for it. In a way I wonder if it was all an orchestrated move to get in the news with ESPN since it all seemed so convenient how it ended up with the Wilbon match and days of bowling talk on PTI. Plus it seemed so out of character for Wes to be mouthing off to Wilbon when he won the next week.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2010, 12:59:23 PM »

Well, seems that I remember Wes last year, saying he didn't want to compete because he was afraid it would throw his game off because of the difference between throwing resin and plastic.

IMHO, he has a more valid reason for missing this year because of his wifes illness, than he did last year.

People miss tournaments all the time, for whatever reasons. I just think pulling out because you consider it "gimmicky" is just an excuse because lots of tournaments have ended up being that way.
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Photoc · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2010, 03:46:56 PM »

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Duke said it proved nothing last year. Maybe he is hurt this year. Alot of the guys think it proves nothing, but in order to eat you have to bowl it anyway.

You guys realize Norm is battling an ankle injury sustained in the TOC in Vegas right?

Hamburglar · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2010, 05:21:50 PM »

The plastic ball event is like the PGA Tour having a "one club" tournament...

And if you don't think today's results are a kick in the junk to the PBA, you're nuts!!! Not trying to take anything away from Ziesig, those of us who know bowling know that the dude is a great bowler. HOWEVER with Rob Stone emphasizing the fact he is an "amateur" will only lead to the "average Joe" saying that bowling isn't a sport especially if an "amateur" can win a PBA tournament...

Plastic balls + "amateur" winning = sad day for the PBA...
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ralphiejantz · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2010, 07:18:50 PM »

Brian is far from an amateur bowler
there are plenty of people like him out there that are better bowlers than most of these guys out on tour (thats what makes this game different from popular professional sports) like in baseball you know for a fact that the guys out on the field are the best the world has to offer playing in the MLB

Ive known Brian since the early 90's and his is truly an awesome bowler and always has been as long as Ive known him

people dont realize that the guys on tour really dont make that much money and most well paying jobs make a lot more than the average guy on tour does (I made a lot more than WRW jr. did this year and I believe he's the top earner so far this year)

im not saying thats its all about money but in reality money pays the bills

I think if they paid more money out on tour maybe guys like Brian (there are quite a few of them around) would consider being on the tour full time if it was worth their time and effort

The PBA needs to step up their game and start making these prize funds respectable and they will draw a better field of players and possibly a better audience and bring the sport back to what it used to be

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