Post by: nd300 on January 11, 2009, 04:39:12 AM
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Post by: Scolai on January 11, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
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A pocket 8-10 from WRW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: iowalefty on January 11, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
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Post by: strikecing on January 11, 2009, 01:07:20 PM
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Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 11, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
I thought the ball looked a bit flat going into the pocket but not a 8-10 flat lol..
seriously besides Peterson's Stone 8, this was the worst break i've seen in a long time.
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Post by: CHawk15 on January 11, 2009, 01:37:51 PM
This is just my opinion and I'm not trying to question the "Hank Aaron" of bowling, he knows how to bowl much better than I ever will. I also understand that he's probably he gets paid very well to use MoRich, but I wonder if it's worth it and how many titles WRW would have using equipment with symmetrical cores that in my opinion, would make it easier to WRW to match up week in and week out. My educated guess would be 50+, which is actually kind of scary if you think about it for a minute.
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on January 11, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
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Post by: c-hop on January 11, 2009, 02:40:24 PM
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Post by: CHawk15 on January 11, 2009, 03:30:11 PM
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I have to disagree about the notion that Morich gear doesn't suit Walter. Walter loves throwing the ball straight. Morich gear tends to be very strong and rolly. I think the match is perfect. Now, I think Walter could win with just about anything, and, through the years, he has. I think Storm is about the only company I don't remember seeing him use at one point or another. I just think he's running into the same thing that a lot of guys have. The TV show plays differently than the rest of the week. I mean, c'mon, he led the tourney by something like 300 pins, so his match up with his gear worked great all week long. Don't let struggles on the show make you think that he's got the wrong gear.
Point taken on his results during the week, but the biggest challenge for a guy that throws it straight is to get the ball through the front part of the lane and when you don't, well you saw today what happens. My opinion, there's a reason WRW didn't make TV for the better part of the first season he used that equipment and it was only when he went back to throwing 16 lbs that he started making shows again. If you've watched the PBA the past couple of seasons, the flat 10s have cost WRW 3 or 4 titles because he outbowled his opponent, but couldn't carry.
Today was just the ultimate example of what I've been seeing from him the past couple of seasons on TV. His look during the week must be better because he wouldn't be making TV if it wasn't. But nearly everytime he's been on TV the past couple of seasons, carry has cost him and my opinion is that if he used something a little weaker with a symmetrical core on TV day, he'd be close to 50 titles by now. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Gene.
Post by: chitown on January 11, 2009, 06:02:01 PM
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I have to disagree about the notion that Morich gear doesn't suit Walter. Walter loves throwing the ball straight. Morich gear tends to be very strong and rolly. I think the match is perfect. Now, I think Walter could win with just about anything, and, through the years, he has. I think Storm is about the only company I don't remember seeing him use at one point or another. I just think he's running into the same thing that a lot of guys have. The TV show plays differently than the rest of the week. I mean, c'mon, he led the tourney by something like 300 pins, so his match up with his gear worked great all week long. Don't let struggles on the show make you think that he's got the wrong gear.
Point taken on his results during the week, but the biggest challenge for a guy that throws it straight is to get the ball through the front part of the lane and when you don't, well you saw today what happens. My opinion, there's a reason WRW didn't make TV for the better part of the first season he used that equipment and it was only when he went back to throwing 16 lbs that he started making shows again. If you've watched the PBA the past couple of seasons, the flat 10s have cost WRW 3 or 4 titles because he outbowled his opponent, but couldn't carry.
Today was just the ultimate example of what I've been seeing from him the past couple of seasons on TV. His look during the week must be better because he wouldn't be making TV if it wasn't. But nearly everytime he's been on TV the past couple of seasons, carry has cost him and my opinion is that if he used something a little weaker with a symmetrical core on TV day, he'd be close to 50 titles by now. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Gene.
WRW is currently using 15lb equipment. Your correct he went from 15lb to 16lb but then switched back. He says this on his web site's questions and answers section.
I find it very difficult to say that he would of won more tourney's if he was using symmetrical equipment.
Their's been many times when WRW has had carry problems. He had that long before his using MoRich equipment.
Take a look at his carry the last tourney he won this season. How was his carry then? I just don't buy into the theory that strong asymmetrical equipment is why WRW has carry problems from time to time.
I also agree with you that he lost against his opponents on several occasions because of bad carry. Keep in mind that WRW would rather stay on line and hit the pocket than to make small tiny adjustments on ten pins. Again he's said this on his question and answers section. A lot of the PBA players will move a board or two with their feet or target when getting ringing or flat tens. This can be a dangerous approach in a one game playoff. WRW has said he would rather not adjust for those types of leaves because 1" higher or lighter into the pocket will get strikes. His main focus is hitting the pocket.
Post by: nd300 on January 11, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 11, 2009, 07:47:26 PM
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the 8-10 split came on the left lane....the lane with the shark pattern
Could be wrong Greg but I thought it was on the right lane rolling the Response.....yes/no?
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Post by: Dennis Rhodes on January 11, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
Though I don't have any hard evidence except for memory, I remember watching Walter dominate with Brunswick equipment. Now I know that it is said that coverstock gives the largest proportion of hook characteristic, and thus (since MoRich uses Brunswick coverstocks) it could be surmised that he should be able to dominate as well with MoRich equipment. But, I have to admit that I cannot recall off the top of my head a time when Walter had the problem with carry that he has now. I would love to see him go back to Brunswick, which I think would be a mutually beneficial relationship. It would be nice to see them on TV more often, and it would be nice to see if his carry would increase.
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Post by: snowgimp on January 11, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
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Post by: chitown on January 12, 2009, 12:48:20 PM
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Disclaimer: This observation is purely from memory, and in no way is meant to bash any equipment or say that one company is better then another.
Though I don't have any hard evidence except for memory, I remember watching Walter dominate with Brunswick equipment. Now I know that it is said that coverstock gives the largest proportion of hook characteristic, and thus (since MoRich uses Brunswick coverstocks) it could be surmised that he should be able to dominate as well with MoRich equipment. But, I have to admit that I cannot recall off the top of my head a time when Walter had the problem with carry that he has now. I would love to see him go back to Brunswick, which I think would be a mutually beneficial relationship. It would be nice to see them on TV more often, and it would be nice to see if his carry would increase.
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I don't think WRW carry is any better or worse now then it was years ago. He's not going to have Tommy Jones carry! He's going to get more 10 pins than a lot of the pro's on tour. However, he's also going to hit the pocket more often than the other pro's on tour.
I remember looking back at the roll to riches. I think it was in 06' when Norm Duke lost to Doug Kent because of poor carry. WRW also lost to Doug Kent because of poor carry. It happens!
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Post by: dechrist on January 12, 2009, 12:58:01 PM
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I don't think WRW carry is any better or worse now then it was years ago. He's not going to have Tommy Jones carry! He's going to get more 10 pins than a lot of the pro's on tour. However, he's also going to hit the pocket more often than the other pro's on tour.
I remember looking back at the roll to riches. I think it was in 06' when Norm Duke lost to Doug Kent because of poor carry. WRW also lost to Doug Kent because of poor carry. It happens!
+1 - It wasn't the best shot he'd thrown, but an 8-10? I'd be asking for a recount - Yikes!
It makes me wonder how well the machines at the National Bowling Stadium are maintained...
Post by: dw23 on January 12, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
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We must realize something else though about Walter. He's not the young guy out there anymore. He's still great, accurate as hell, but he can't put anything on the ball like he used to. Without the power of today's equipment he would not have as many titles as he does now. He's very accurate, intelligent, and know's how to use today's equipment to his advantage in every way possible.
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Can't we say that about more than half the bowlers on tour? If it wasn't for the ball reps half of the guys out there wouldn't even get close to making show. Lets not forget that Walter ran away from the field during the week. He is still a great, great bowler and if not for the bad break or the twitch that made him throw it a little faster we wouldn't be having this conversation.
That said I would rather have seen Wes or Chris win.
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 13, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
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Did you laugh as loud as I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call it what you want, but I found it hilarious. That will be saved on my DVR for quite some time to come.
But, oh well. Ish happens.
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Post by: BuzzsawCrazy on January 13, 2009, 01:13:42 PM
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Post by: Strider on January 13, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
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I found it hilarious and not surprising considering he hits the ball like a little girl and the fact that he threw the ball on the lane with 44ft. of oil hahaha!!!
Actually if you were watching or paying attention, the 8-10 was on Cheetah, the short pattern, but I realize that you're just another wannabe that wanted to take a shot at WRW. He puts a solid 350 RPM on the ball with forward roll at 19-20 mph. He doesn't try to cover a lot of boards, but throws a pretty solid ball.
The camera angle wasn't the best, but the ball looked high flush. Even if the ball had rolled out, you wouldn't expect an 8-10 on that shot. Flat 10, sure, but the 8-10 was a lousy break.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 13, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
With that said, I think Walter got hosed. It was a good enough ball to leave a flat ten worst case scenario and would have had a tie game.
Post by: chitown on January 14, 2009, 08:42:46 AM
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We must realize something else though about Walter. He's not the young guy out there anymore. He's still great, accurate as hell, but he can't put anything on the ball like he used to. Without the power of today's equipment he would not have as many titles as he does now. He's very accurate, intelligent, and know's how to use today's equipment to his advantage in every way possible.
Got to admit though, the 8-10 a bad break for any player on today's equipment standards.
You make some good points. I do think today's equipment has helped his game tremendously.
Post by: chitown on January 14, 2009, 08:44:33 AM
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I found it hilarious and not surprising considering he hits the ball like a little girl and the fact that he threw the ball on the lane with 44ft. of oil hahaha!!!
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Post by: iowalefty on January 14, 2009, 08:56:36 AM
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Coincidence? Last time I saw a 8-10 on tv it was also on the Cheetah. 2005 I think it was and it was Robert Smith (if you can believe that) in the title match against Parker Bohn. It hooked off the dry and just died with all that power hit beyond weak, just like Walter's.
With that said, I think Walter got hosed. It was a good enough ball to leave a flat ten worst case scenario and would have had a tie game.
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Post by: VBP-Dustin on January 14, 2009, 04:16:59 PM
Post by: Joe Jr on January 14, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
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I found it hilarious and not surprising considering he hits the ball like a little girl and the fact that he threw the ball on the lane with 44ft. of oil hahaha!!!
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He hits it like a little girl? This game is not about how many revs you can put on the ball. It's about accuracy!
Absolutely, but when your dead up the back of the ball with 175RPM rev rate, you shouldn't be surprised when you leave the 8-10 every now and then.
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Post by: tenpin477 on January 14, 2009, 04:39:30 PM
Post by: chitown on January 16, 2009, 07:13:09 AM
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I found it hilarious and not surprising considering he hits the ball like a little girl and the fact that he threw the ball on the lane with 44ft. of oil hahaha!!!
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He hits it like a little girl? This game is not about how many revs you can put on the ball. It's about accuracy!
Absolutely, but when your dead up the back of the ball with 175RPM rev rate, you shouldn't be surprised when you leave the 8-10 every now and then.
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I didn't get to watch the finals on Sunday but watched it on you tube. He got screwed! That was just an unlucky break.
I can't seem to figure out where you get your RPM numbers for his shot? You guys need to keep in mind that WRW ball speed is pretty fast. His rev rate is a lot higher than many realize. I highly doubt that his rev rate was the reason he left an 8-10! To me it sounds more like a bad rack.