Author Topic: Overall Opinion on Plastic Ball Tournament (Read 2506 times)

trash heap · « **on:** February 23, 2009, 12:00:03 AM »

I really enjoyed watching it on Sunday and it was much better than the Shoot Out (THS Tournament).

It was great to hear the pros talk about what ball they would use and how much more hand they were putting in the ball this week.

It was neat to show the last tournament won by someone throwing plastic (Walter Ray Williams Jr.). I forgot about the revs he used to put on the ball.

I thought it was very well done. Hope they keep it in the schedule for next year.

chitown · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:31:30 PM »

I really liked the format. I feel they should do a plastic show once per season.

I just wish they would of put out a little bit more difficult pattern. However, I understand why they chose to modify it as we discussed on the other thread.

averagebowler · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:35:41 PM »

i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:38:36 PM »

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i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.

OK, I'm curious... why? What would that accomplish? Back in the 70s when plastic was the best thing going, they were free to alter the covers and drill the balls as they pleased within the rules, just like today. Why stop them from doing that for this tournament? And more importantly, what is keeping the balls super-polished going to accomplish? You're already taking away the extra entry angle and the extra miss room that resin or even urethane gives you, how much "tougher" does it need to be?

Edited on 2/24/2009 2:38 PM

averagebowler · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:48:53 PM »

well tell u what. we all know sanding the ball down it gets alot of friction. but having a plastic ball out of box and use it as is so we all can see who can roll the ball the best. isn't that a challenge? people says if you want to bowl in a different pattern bowl in a pba shot league. ya we all want a challenge. so that's why i said it would been cool to see every pro bowler to be able to throw a out of box plastic ball in a tournament. that's all.

Danes07 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:57:30 PM »

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i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.
OK, I'm curious... why? What would that accomplish? Back in the 70s when plastic was the best thing going, they were free to alter the covers and drill the balls as they pleased within the rules, just like today. Why stop them from doing that for this tournament? And more importantly, what is keeping the balls super-polished going to accomplish? You're already taking away the extra entry angle and the extra miss room that resin or even urethane gives you, how much "tougher" does it need to be?

Edited on 2/24/2009 2:38 PM

I agree with you Dan. Why box those guys in any more than they already were? They were limited on the kind of ball they could use, how many they could have, how many different drillings could be used. It was a throw back tournament showing the way things were. Back then they were free to modify the coverstocks anyway they saw fit within the rules. Why shouldn't these guys be able to when they are throwing plastic balls. Seriously, how much tougher do they need to make it. To me, they already proved how really good they were by doing so well with plastic.

I will go on to say, why make them bowl on a pattern from today. It was said that the lanes were oiled in a such a fashion, and with approx. the same units of oil that would have been used back in the heyday of plastic. What would be the point of putting them on an even harder pattern? See who can point the ball at the pocket the best?

I think it was a great throw back tournament and it showed that these guys can do it with whatever you put in their hands...be it plastic, urethane, or reactive bowling balls....they can flat out bowl.

If the PBA were to box them in even more and make things really that much harder and dis-similar from the way things were "back in the day", you would have a lot of guys doing what Duke, Page, Malott and Kent did....skipping the tournament.
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Blows · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2009, 02:04:48 PM »

I enjoyed it very much.

JessN16 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2009, 02:06:14 PM »

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well tell u what. we all know sanding the ball down it gets alot of friction. but having a plastic ball out of box and use it as is so we all can see who can roll the ball the best. isn't that a challenge? people says if you want to bowl in a different pattern bowl in a pba shot league. ya we all want a challenge. so that's why i said it would been cool to see every pro bowler to be able to throw a out of box plastic ball in a tournament. that's all.

Couple of things...

1) Manufacturers can get around the "no sanding" thing easily if they want to: They make the plastic ball sanded at the factory. Then its "out of the box" condition would already be sanded. That's not an automatic fix. Plus, as others have noted, the pros have never been under a "no-sanding" restriction that I'm aware of.

2) When I see people calling for Shark patterns with 80 units of oil plus polished plastic balls, I wonder what it is exactly they're wanting to see. There's a point, with old technology, where you lock out even the best pros. You're going to end up with a televised final probably between Dave Traber and Eugene McCune with them throwing like a summer-league bowler, 100 mph straight up the pipe, and beating each other 170-169. And talk about an environment dominated by luck and not skill -- forget the resin game, shiny plastic plus tons of oil means the winner would be determined by factors that had nothing to do with their skill set.

Jess

Crankenstein300 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »

You don't get the same effects of sanding plastic as sanding a reactive since you can only get so much friction out of polyester regardless of grit or finish.

gsback · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2009, 02:42:41 PM »

I enjoyed what I saw of it on TV.

However, to those that want to restrict it even more. I think in the end it could come down to the person hitting his mark and burying the pocket....and the other missing slightly....but getting a little luck on each shot to make the pocket lightly.

And when that happens...and the person burying it is leaving 9 counts all day whereas the person missing but still coming in light is carrying mixers all day.....this does what to prove any theory??

For the average bowler, if they couldn't see the difference in the reaction of the ball versus the normal selection, then I would think the comments had to help. And for those watching for the first time....it's not going to matter anyways.
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chitown · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:25:34 PM »

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i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.
OK, I'm curious... why? What would that accomplish? Back in the 70s when plastic was the best thing going, they were free to alter the covers and drill the balls as they pleased within the rules, just like today. Why stop them from doing that for this tournament? And more importantly, what is keeping the balls super-polished going to accomplish? You're already taking away the extra entry angle and the extra miss room that resin or even urethane gives you, how much "tougher" does it need to be?

Edited on 2/24/2009 2:38 PM

Dan, I understand what he's trying to say. The plastic balls they used on that particular pattern didn't effect the entry angle because they were striking at will. They had awesome carry with those plastic bowling balls.

I personally would of liked to see the pattern be a little bit more difficult. However, not so difficult that accurate shots don't carry. Overall the tourney was a success from the reviews i've seen. Even though I didn't agree with the pattern they used it was still an awesome theme.

Edited on 2/24/2009 4:30 PM

JessN16 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:27:52 PM »

Next time, I'd like to see them allow plastic plus a core, like the Lane #1 XXXL, just to see what difference that might or might not make.

Jess

NoseofRI · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:43:57 PM »

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i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.
OK, I'm curious... why? What would that accomplish? Back in the 70s when plastic was the best thing going, they were free to alter the covers and drill the balls as they pleased within the rules, just like today. Why stop them from doing that for this tournament? And more importantly, what is keeping the balls super-polished going to accomplish? You're already taking away the extra entry angle and the extra miss room that resin or even urethane gives you, how much "tougher" does it need to be?

Edited on 2/24/2009 2:38 PM

Yes Chi, the guys on the show had excellent carry with the plastic balls used, which probably means that they had this carry most of the week, hence why they were actually on TV. Pete Webers unique release/roll gets that carry, Carters' hit and power gets the carry, Fagans unique roll helps with carry, Barnes extrememly heavy rolls helps the ball drive through the pins. There was a reason THESE guys made the show.
I thought it was an interesting show to watch. And what i can't understand is why some people still feel that NEEDED to increase volume or not allow them to make adjustments? What is the reasoning for this? Its not like these guys were exactly wheeling the lane, would it have been better for them all to be trying to throw the ball 10mph while pinging 5-pins and 5-7s every other frame?

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:02:40 AM »

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i wished it was out of box plastic ball. not to modify the cover stock by sanding out down.
OK, I'm curious... why? What would that accomplish? Back in the 70s when plastic was the best thing going, they were free to alter the covers and drill the balls as they pleased within the rules, just like today. Why stop them from doing that for this tournament? And more importantly, what is keeping the balls super-polished going to accomplish? You're already taking away the extra entry angle and the extra miss room that resin or even urethane gives you, how much "tougher" does it need to be?

Edited on 2/24/2009 2:38 PM

Yes Chi, the guys on the show had excellent carry with the plastic balls used, which probably means that they had this carry most of the week, hence why they were actually on TV. Pete Webers unique release/roll gets that carry, Carters' hit and power gets the carry, Fagans unique roll helps with carry, Barnes extrememly heavy rolls helps the ball drive through the pins. There was a reason THESE guys made the show.
I thought it was an interesting show to watch. And what i can't understand is why some people still feel that NEEDED to increase volume or not allow them to make adjustments? What is the reasoning for this? Its not like these guys were exactly wheeling the lane, would it have been better for them all to be trying to throw the ball 10mph while pinging 5-pins and 5-7s every other frame?

Edited on 2/24/2009 4:49 PM

Edited on 2/24/2009 4:50 PM

Exactly. For all the guys putting up huge numbers late in match play and on TV, there was the other 90% of the field shooting 210s and leaving flat 10s galore. Considering the lines they were throwing, they DIDN'T have much entry angle. Their carry was good because THEY are good. The pattern was pretty tough, but did you see the CATS numbers? Pete Weber was accurate within 1 board and his ball speed was within 1mph the entire TV show. Even on a flat pattern, he'd still have been putting up big numbers.

CharlieBrown · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:16:41 AM »

Great thread everyone!
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