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PBA Badger
« on: June 18, 2014, 03:50:19 PM »
Anyone watch the Badger show last night?  Let me first state that this not a slam on the young two hander who finished second.  I think the kid made a tremendous effort, and there aren't many guys who could execute they way he did while lofting as far down the lane. Having said that, this strategy brings up a huge problem that I would not like to deal with as a proprietor.  Part of the problem lies with being able to dull up the surfaces so much.  I have said for several years that we could deal with part of the lane break down problem if all balls had to be 4000 grit as a final finish.  Best solution would be to outlaw resin balls along with not allowing aggressive surface alterations.   

 

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2014, 04:01:52 PM »
Just how would you police this? Your idea, while in theory, sounds good, would never, ever work in the real world.
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2014, 05:34:11 PM »
Anyone watch the Badger show last night?  Let me first state that this not a slam on the young two hander who finished second.  I think the kid made a tremendous effort, and there aren't many guys who could execute they way he did while lofting as far down the lane. Having said that, this strategy brings up a huge problem that I would not like to deal with as a proprietor.  Part of the problem lies with being able to dull up the surfaces so much.  I have said for several years that we could deal with part of the lane break down problem if all balls had to be 4000 grit as a final finish.  Best solution would be to outlaw resin balls along with not allowing aggressive surface alterations.   

I think your about 20 years too late

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2014, 06:48:27 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2014, 07:33:40 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.

This seems like common sense to me. It's been raised as a question because you had someone basically destroy the pattern here but on a lot of these their not bowling the pattern as they are bowling the breakdown for better or worse.

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 08:11:27 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.

This seems like common sense to me. It's been raised as a question because you had someone basically destroy the pattern here but on a lot of these their not bowling the pattern as they are bowling the breakdown for better or worse.

Heck, with 10 minutes of practice on house shot oil patterns, the pattern can be broken down badly even when people don't use 500 grit oil suckers intentionally. Can you imagine the damage done in 20 - 30 minutes when people do use such balls or toss a plastic ball down the 15 board for that length of time?
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2014, 09:49:13 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.

Lets just re-oil after every game of the qualifying block to keep the integrity of the pattern while we are at it.
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 10:05:55 PM »
The pattern is just an idea as to what is out there. Yeah, they chop it up for themselves to give themselves room. This isn't new.

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 10:41:36 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.

Lets just re-oil after every game of the qualifying block to keep the integrity of the pattern while we are at it.

Just because you don't like me is no reason to say something like that,
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 11:03:28 PM »
So, if it was Belmo, no one would have a problem with it, but because Brian is a new guy, rules need to be changed? It's called bowling; adjust to the shot as it changes.

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 11:11:58 PM »
Since this was supposed to be the Badger pattern, but by the time practice/warm-ups were complete, it was no longer the Badger pattern,
should the PBA or any tournament management consider re-oiling after warmups to insure the bowler bowl on the intended pattern?

I wonder how Mika, Weber and Kent would have performed on the actual pattern.

Just curious, at this point.

Lets just re-oil after every game of the qualifying block to keep the integrity of the pattern while we are at it.

Just because you don't like me is no reason to say something like that,

I don't have an issue with you, just some of your ideas.
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2014, 12:03:05 AM »
So, if it was Belmo, no one would have a problem with it, but because Brian is a new guy, rules need to be changed? It's called bowling; adjust to the shot as it changes.

You might want to calm down and stop using common sense. Bowlers aren't supposed to adjust the lane adjusts to them!
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 12:35:25 AM »
Valenta found the Easter egg in the badger pattern. Kudos to the man.

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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 07:54:11 AM »
Burning up the pattern during practice has been around for many years.  If some of you remember, Brian Voss wrote a huge comment complaining about this on the PBA forum years ago.  Bowlers go out there and burn a shot for themselves and sometimes try to ruin the shot for the others bowlers.

Lets face it, the PBA allows this because they do not want to see low scores on TV.  The problem this past weekend is that everyone except O'Neil tried to play the middle of the lane where Valenta burned them up. O'Neil was the smart one and threw a rocket to the pocket with accuracy and won.
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Re: PBA Badger
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2014, 09:25:07 AM »
Id post a response but i'm still waiting for them to set up the 6 pin.

(Gotta love a taped broadcast that wasted a solid 5 minutes waiting for a lane repair)
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