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Title: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: c-hop on August 02, 2007, 05:30:56 AM
First ppl comes to mind is
Tommy Jones
Jason Couch
Robert Smith
Sean Rash ( i say he is a cranker even though he stays behind the ball more thne anyone else on the list)
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Russell on August 02, 2007, 01:40:05 PM
Rash is a cranker

Don't forget about

Mike Fagan
Mike Devaney
Ken Simard (for those that have not seen him throw a ball.....wow)
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: JMORRIS on August 02, 2007, 01:44:44 PM
Don't forget the BIG NASTY!  Wes Malott!
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: jbruno6 on August 02, 2007, 02:48:16 PM
Brian Himmler
Jason Hurd

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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: c-hop on August 02, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
Mallot and Himmler would also be in my list. crazy revs n power

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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: KDawg77 on August 02, 2007, 03:24:54 PM
I bowled with Rash at the 2004 Masters...OH YEAH HE'S A CRANKER!
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: northface28 on August 03, 2007, 12:12:47 PM
Wait till you see Ken Simard. Pure, unadulterated power.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on August 03, 2007, 12:34:16 PM
Active-only list?  if not, what about....

STEVE HOSKINS & BOB LEARN JR.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Brandon Riley on August 03, 2007, 12:39:57 PM
but consider that the crankers on tour are nothing like the crankers at home.
they all have high rev rates, but can play straight and use weaker drillings to stay closer to the track area
the coast to coast type of crankers are all out of a job - steve hoskins, john gant, rudy revs, kelly coffman, bob learn...
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: dpunky on August 08, 2007, 10:55:14 AM
Mike Devaney
Robert Smith
Tommy Jones
Jason Couch
Sean Rash
Wes Mallot

Past Stars
Steve Hoskins
Bob Learn
Mike Miller (no thumb delivery)
Rudy Kasimakis
Amletto Monacelli
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Russell on August 08, 2007, 11:54:52 AM
fiveseventen I don't think so personally....I think Weber's swing is too pure to be a cranker.  He has almost NO effort in his swing whatsoever....and that might be pushing it.

I consider him a tweener only because of how little muscle he uses in the swing.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: shelley on August 08, 2007, 12:11:43 PM
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Rick Lawrence?? (Runs and hides)


Ricky "Revs" Lawrence?  My idol.

SH
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: shelley on August 08, 2007, 12:12:58 PM
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Would you consider Pete Weber being a cranker?


No.  Power stroker or tweener; he's too smooth (now) to be a cranker, whatever his rev rate.  I wouldn't consider Bobby Learn to be a cranker either, I'd call him a tweener as well.

SH
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on August 08, 2007, 12:53:06 PM
quote:
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Rick Lawrence?? (Runs and hides)


Ricky "Revs" Lawrence?  My idol.

SH


wrong,

Ricky "Rev" Lawrence
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 08, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
Currently on tour that I know of and my opinion, crankers:

Tommy Jones
Chad Kloss
Steve Weber
Sean Rash
Jason Couch
Ryan Shafer
Wes Malott
Jeff Carter
Brian Himmler
Mike DeVaney
Robert Smith
Eugene McCune
Chris Warren
Brad Angelo

Other players new to tour I don't know enough about them

Edited on 8/8/2007 9:41 PM
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: jefftaker2002 on August 09, 2007, 03:27:17 AM

Im sorry but i dont think Brian Himmler is a crancker a power player yea but not a cranker. Plus if u get to ranking jason cough actually is almost as powerful as robert smith but he dont use it so he can be more versitile but he to can get to the 700+ range

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Currently on tour that I know of and my opinion, crankers:

Tommy Jones
Chad Kloss
Steve Weber
Sean Rash
Jason Couch
Ryan Shafer
Wes Malott
Jeff Carter
Brian Himmler
Mike DeVaney
Robert Smith
Eugene McCune
Chris Warren
Brad Angelo

Other players new to tour I don't know enough about them

Edited on 8/8/2007 9:41 PM

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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Dyno-Joe on August 09, 2007, 04:58:39 AM
Add Chris Barnes, Todd Book, Joe Ciccone, Dino Castillio, Dave D'Entremont, Steve Harman, Ronnie Russell, Jim Tomek Jr., Mike Wolfe, and Troy Wollenbecker to the mix. I don't think Ryan Shafer or Brad Angelo as crankers, they are spinners in my book. I've seen Tommy Delutz Jr. get a pretty good amount on the ball. Same as Mike Edwards and Tim Criss (even though Criss doesn't have the highest speed, he still can get on the ball). Bob Learn can rev the ball in the 420 to 450 range, so he is a power player. Chris Loschetter can get a good amount on the ball. I don't think I missed anyone haha.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Slopsurprise on August 09, 2007, 08:53:56 AM
Big revs dosent equal a cranker. The vast majority of the guys listed all have high rev rates but, they are power players or power strokers, not crankers. A cranker is a style, not a measure of rev rate. A Cranker is a, walk up to the line, plant, and let it all go type of player. Those guys have way too much finesse IMO to be considered a cranker by any means.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Russell on August 09, 2007, 08:56:43 AM
Revrate does not make someone a cranker..it is the armswing.....

Joe Ciccone, Brad Angelo, Ryan Shafer, Dave D'Entremont, Dino Castillo, Chris Barnes, and Ronnie Russell are NOT crankers....these are tweeners.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Dyno-Joe on August 09, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
Ronnie Russell a TWEENER?!!! Your kidding. That guy really gets on the ball. Have you seen him bowling recently because wow. Then if you want to say those players are just power players, then there really isn't too many real "crankers" out on tour. How bout this post being changed to power player? Have you noticed that most ball companies that use a multi-scale way of telling what the customer does what, i.e. Roto Grip, they use the term "cranker" when someone gets more than 350 rpms on the ball. That is what I was going off of.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: bass on August 09, 2007, 03:54:10 PM
Blast from the past.
Ron Palumbi jr.(sp)

Mike Nape used to stand on it.

Bobby"Jackonit" Jakel was no lightweight either.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: GodzillA on August 09, 2007, 04:05:26 PM
Everyone is forgetting the original, Mark Roth
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 09, 2007, 04:52:51 PM
Brian Himmler most definitly is a cranker. Definition of a cranker it not all about revs on the ball, but wrist action and ball reaction. Brian can play straight down the boards or hook coast to coast. Watch him on his first title win in Albuqurque hooking the hole lane throwing pins everwhere.

No way Joe Ciccone is a cranker. He doesn't fit the description to me. I would concider him a tweener.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Jeff Carter on August 09, 2007, 05:06:30 PM
The typical "cranker" doesnt exist on Tour today. Just because somebody has a high rev-rate, that doesnt make them a cranker. Todays sport is based on balance and leverage, not power and force. Even the highest rev-rate player on tour ( Robert ) generates a lot of leverage from his legs. Without a solid base under you, that high rev-rate wont get you anywhere !
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: JShiff on August 09, 2007, 07:36:55 PM
quote:
Currently on tour that I know of and my opinion, crankers:

Tommy Jones
Chad Kloss
Steve Weber
Sean Rash
Jason Couch
Ryan Shafer
Wes Malott
Jeff Carter
Brian Himmler
Mike DeVaney
Robert Smith
Eugene McCune
Chris Warren
Brad Angelo

Other players new to tour I don't know enough about them

Edited on 8/8/2007 9:41 PM



ryan shafer? lol
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: JessN16 on August 09, 2007, 08:39:57 PM
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Currently on tour that I know of and my opinion, crankers:

Tommy Jones
Chad Kloss
Steve Weber
Sean Rash
Jason Couch
Ryan Shafer
Wes Malott
Jeff Carter
Brian Himmler
Mike DeVaney
Robert Smith
Eugene McCune
Chris Warren
Brad Angelo

Other players new to tour I don't know enough about them

Edited on 8/8/2007 9:41 PM



ryan shafer? lol


Eugene McCune? Wow.

Jess
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 09, 2007, 08:58:26 PM
Jimmy Keeth and John Gant were the first to twist the cover off the ball.  Roth's style bridged the way to their styles.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 09, 2007, 09:08:40 PM
First off, for those that do not know, Ryan Shafer's rev rate is at 435.  That is high for a spinner.  I saw this at the CATS location in Reno at the stadium.  I was pretty shocked at the number.  But, both Barnes and Shafer are around the same rev rate according to what they had.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 09, 2007, 09:11:47 PM
BTW.......Ronnie Russell is not a cranker.  His rev rate, from what I have seen, can't be higher than 375-400.  Ronnie is a tweener.  I watched Ronnie at the Super Hoinke last year when I was there.  Brian Waliczek was next to him and got on it alot more than Ronnie did.  Tood Book is also not a true cranker.  His rev rate also is not near high enough to be considered.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: johns811 on August 09, 2007, 09:40:28 PM


Amleto Monacelli!!!!! He was a huge cranker in his day that could make balls move. He had so much wrist.  




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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: a_ak57 on August 10, 2007, 12:02:44 PM
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First off, for those that do not know, Ryan Shafer's rev rate is at 435.  That is high for a spinner.  I saw this at the CATS location in Reno at the stadium.  I was pretty shocked at the number.  But, both Barnes and Shafer are around the same rev rate according to what they had.
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Keep in mind though, the more tilt someone has, the higher their rev rate will be automatically.  If Barnes and Shafer have the same rpm rate, Barnes still puts more rotational velocity on the ball because he doesn't have near as much tilt as Shafer, and the ball has to rotate a longer distance for one revolution for Barnes.  Easy way to see that is when someone puts a ball on the ground and spins it like a top, it rotates incredibly fast because it has incredibly little area to travel to complete a revolution.  I feel silly talking down to a former driller, but I thought I would just explain it for anyone who may be reading otherwise.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: pate08 on August 10, 2007, 12:26:37 PM
I wouldn't consider Wes to be a cranker because he doesn't barely use any effort although he can get ALOT on the ball when we wants/needs to. I also wouldn't consider Chris Barnes to be a cranker.

Crankers:

Robert Smith
Eugene McCune
Sean Rash
Jason Couch
Mike DeVaney
Brian Himmler
Chris Warren (I haven't seen him bowl lately, but he was the last time I saw him bowl)
Rudy Kasimakis
I also think that Chris Johnson might be considered a cranker.


Those are just some. There are alot of players that get alot on the ball, but it doesn't require effort and I think a cranker is someone that really tries to put alot on the ball. Also, how can we forget Mark Roth in this category? He was the very first cranker!
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Dead Flush on August 10, 2007, 12:57:03 PM
Old School:

Mark Roth
Bob Hadley
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 10, 2007, 04:54:11 PM
In a interview years ago, Ryan Shafer said he didn't compare himself to a cranker like Kelly Coffman anymore. I still think he is. He still has a ton of wrist and revs it hard.
Nothing compared to him pre resin. He really ripped the tar out of the ball to the point it was ridiculous.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: NJStroker on August 10, 2007, 06:51:11 PM
Wut about Michael Fagan, I would consider him a cranker.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: pate08 on August 10, 2007, 07:12:48 PM
Fagan's swing is REALLY loose. His rev rate is around 500 rpms, but he uses very little effort with his swing. Fagan is probably a power stroker.

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Wut about Michael Fagan, I would consider him a cranker.

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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 10, 2007, 08:09:38 PM
Wrist action wise...no one compares currently to Eugene McCune. It's unreal how he throws the ball, you have to watch him in person. He has some of the loudest strikes. The volume of his strikes is right up there with David Traber and the late Jimmy Keeth.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: NJStroker on August 10, 2007, 10:03:30 PM
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Fagan's swing is REALLY loose. His rev rate is around 500 rpms, but he uses very little effort with his swing. Fagan is probably a power stroker.

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Wut about Michael Fagan, I would consider him a cranker.

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Yea i guess so now that i think about it, he's like a super power tweener.
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: JessN16 on August 11, 2007, 03:05:34 PM
I just don't buy McCune as a cranker. I'm not saying he can't do it when he needs to, but every time I've seen him bowl his preferred shot is 9,000 miles per hour somewhere up the right half of the lane.

Jess
Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Sawuser on August 11, 2007, 04:35:10 PM
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The typical "cranker" doesnt exist on Tour today. Just because somebody has a high rev-rate, that doesnt make them a cranker. Todays sport is based on balance and leverage, not power and force. Even the highest rev-rate player on tour ( Robert ) generates a lot of leverage from his legs. Without a solid base under you, that high rev-rate wont get you anywhere !
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Reading all of these posts, I thought I was crazy until I read yours. I agree with your definition of cranker, or what a cranker is not. Most of these young power players today have that release that creates mega revs, but don't think they can be defined as crankers.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: AdrianS on August 14, 2007, 07:13:49 AM
I guess the cranker still exists on tour if you look at just on rev rate alone, they just dont 'look' like a Vespi, Coffman, Spaulding or Palombi anymore. Remember straighter(but still powerful!!) guys like Voss and Pedersen didnt 'get on it' with reactives the same way they could with Urethane either.
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: Jeff Carter on August 14, 2007, 10:11:24 AM
The proper term should actually be "power player" now. The term "cranker" would be used to describe somebody that uses an excessive amount of force to deliver the bowling ball ( for example: Mark Roth, Bob Handley, Rudy Kasimakis ). If you run down the list of bowlers that you consider crankers, virtually none of them bowl with sheer force. Todays sport has evolved into timing, leverage and balance. More guys are cutting their rev-rates down than trying to increase them
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: azus on August 14, 2007, 10:41:47 AM
A cranker in my book, is a player that use the elebow to stay longer under the ball and gain more revs. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kennmelvin/VCranker.Htm
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Title: Re: PBA Crankers cant leave them out
Post by: mab on August 26, 2007, 09:08:58 AM
Definition Of A Raw Power Cranker- Mark Roth most powerful bowler I ever witnessed throw a ball.