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LuckyLefty

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PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« on: April 10, 2005, 03:23:33 PM »
3 of the 4 players on today's show on one of the most difficult patterns seen all year, are not or were not considered good enough to be on tour until last week(when Jaros qualified).

NOw when you put out your toughest shot and sponsers exemptions or injury subsititutions get on to the show it just goes to show how unfairly restrictive the PBA tour is today!

PS long live sameness. lets unfairly extend the length of our current stars careers at the expense of developing tomorrow's great players!

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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2005, 11:33:33 PM »
I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this.

All 4 of these guys are masters at execution. Jaros & Duke are renown for their abilities on exceptionally tough patterns. Jaros won what is arguably one of the hardest tourney's out there a year or 2 ago:

http://www.foundation300.com/foundation_games/tournaments/fg_17.htm

And as their recaps showed, many of these guys were taken to the limit in their round of 8 & 16 matches by younger folks.

On top of that, this was the "Tournament Of Champions" meaning you had to be a previous winner to even get into this even. By the simple nature of the event it was bound to be a match of "Good Ol' Boys".

Am I a big fan of the "exempt" tour? Not really. Does it add excitement to the show? Undoubtedly.

I think they need to make it a bit easier for those on the outside looking in to make the show. But the exempt tour is here to stay I think.

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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2005, 11:40:28 PM »
How did anyone get on due to a sponsor exemption?  

As for "unfairly extend the length of our current stars careers at the expense of developing tomorrow's great players!"  If the young guys can't hang with the experienced guys then they don't have a right to be out there.  Should the PBA put out shots that young guys can hit but the older guys can't?  The reason guys like WRW, Voss, Duke, and PBIII are considered among the best of all time is they can hit a shot on the 1 board, and they can play the 25th board...and everywhere in betweeen.  The best bowlers this week made the show, 2 of which are in the HoF...when that stops being the case, I'll stop watching.        

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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 12:03:03 AM »
NOt sure of where I'm going with this?

REally?

Here is my point which I think was clear.

Surely these bowlers that made the show today are GREAT!
Goebal has major wins, Pederson as tough as nails and a great stylist, Duke ... well never mind and the winner Jaros building a strong resume I guess.

BUT as of two weeks ago 3 of 4 were not even considered good enough to be exempt on tour.  Now it is down to 2 of 4 finalists not good enough to be on tour!

SURELY they ARE good enough.

Tour is too restrictive!

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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 12:07:49 AM »
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The problem is that the younger guys don't get a chance to prove themselves, the ptq is a joke. And even if they through there is a learning curve it takes time to get uses to.


I would like to see more people make it out of qualifying.  If they really want an exempt tour, have 32 exemptions and 32 from weekly qualifying or something like that.

Taking the top four or five from qualifying and the top 8 from Tour Trials (last year) out of a field of a hundred or more seems VERY restrictive.  I understand the guaranteed paycheck bit but I don't really see how the exempt tour has made anything more exciting.  We've had, what, one person make it to the show from PTQs?  That doesn't seem right.

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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 10:07:15 AM »
GOlf used to really have it down(15 years ago).  Every week the top 60 and then each monday a qualifying of all comers shooting for the other 90 spots.

Then during the week you still had to make the cut after two days!

Great method.  It gave unknown talents like Lee Trevino and Julius Boros the chance to compete against the best and know they have it.

A similar system in bowling allowed a grocery store manager with a family by the name of Earl Anthony the chance to compete and see that he was good enough.

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Luckylefty
PS are there really chances for a player today who has a family and a job to try to make it on tour?  Hmmmmm.  Would we have missed Earl Anthony if he had a bad week in qualifying school.  Oh did any lefties make it this year threw the qualifying school?
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 10:12:04 AM »
It is a tough call either way.  With the excempt tour, you have to look at it this way, you guarantee yourself a spot for one year, but if you don't bowl well, you are off for another year and a new guy takes your place so if you are really not good enough, it will catch up with you.  And they take people from the regional tour so you can earn a spot on tour if you are just starting.

With that said, I don't believe in the multi-year exemptions for winning major titles.  Look at Tom Baker......6 year exemption for winning one tournament.......that is insane.  Maybe if you win a tournament, you get a lifetime exemption to that one event, or something like that.

I also believe that if you win the points title for a year, you should get something special.  Basically that means nothing.  PA won it this year and he is not even guaranteed player of the year.  And last year Brad Angelo won it and knowbody even remembers.

One more comment is that Tommy Delutz should not be excempt for next year.  His excemption was for THIS year.  It is knowone's fault he got hurt.  Yes it sucks for him but he should not get a pardon for it and take a spot from someone this year.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2005, 10:20:14 AM »
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2005, 10:28:44 AM »
I agree 100%. But, I think the youth of tomorrow's bowling will prevail in the end.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2005, 10:36:40 AM »
Hey Lucky,
I have to add my two cents and disagree. Not try to sound like I know everything, but at the beginning of the tourney the scores are all 0. As much as I would like to see a telecast with all of the sports young stars, the fact of the matter is that they have to bowl and earn that spot. I'd enjoy watching a Chris Johnson, Joe Ciccone, Patrick Girard, and Tommy Jones final. This would feature the many versatile styles in today's youth but, as I stated, they have to bowl, win and earn that spot that they seek. Trust me, do you think I want to see Bryan Goebel (nothing wrong with him), and Steve Jaros (great bowler, always in control) make the show? They just don't appeal to today's audience.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2005, 11:00:51 AM »
Here's my point.

8 guys made the tour this year in a one week qualifying.

Would Earl Anthony have ever made it under today's setup?
If the answer is no, then the setup is not valid.

If one doesn't perceive that Randy Pederson is a great bowler, and does not have a job (bowling)and doesn't see anything wrong with this then I guess we will have to disagree.

The all exempt tour reminds me of the adage "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it!".

I don't believe greats like Randy Pederson and Steve Jaros ever thought they wouldn't have a job.  One does and one doesn't!  Difference is one pin!  comon they are both great!

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Luckylefty
PS my idea is great!  Near 64 exempt and then qualifying for another 32 to 64!
Here is a guy named Brian Smith.  Major tourney winner two years ago!  GONE!
Comon!
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2005, 11:22:45 AM »
Well, the PBA did modify the format from earlier this year. They went from 64 bowlers in brackets to bowling 9/14/whatever it was games before dwindling down to 32. I personally think that WRW was one of the main guys crying about this because week in and week out he'd get beat by #64 seed.

I like to see the format change to everyone exempt and non-exempt bowl two squads of 7 games. Then, the top 64 are bracketed by their finish in the qualifying rounds.

Or..have Tim Mack, Robert Smith, Norm Duke, and Chris Barnes bowl every weekon TV. I'd watch that all the time.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
I agree with Jabroni 100% on this. And  
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REgards,

Luckylefty
PS my idea is great! Near 64 exempt and then qualifying for another 32 to 64!
Here is a guy named Brian Smith. Major tourney winner two years ago! GONE!
Comon!  
First off, its Bryon Smith, and second, he doesnt have enough talent to truly make it on the tour. I mean, yes, he won a major championship, but it was just a good week. I am not taking anything away from the Masters, or any major champions ever, but that is his only title. He has been a PBA member since 1992, and has only made $365,194. I do not consider him good enough for the exempt tour, but that is just my opinion.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2005, 06:43:21 PM »
I don't reply much but a topic like this should not go without being bashed.  Evertime any bowler(Beginner to Pro) pick up there bowling ball and compete they are getting better (If their serious about the game) I enjoyed watching the show this weekend because those guys have been there and done that.  So saying PBA is fixed should never cross a bowlers mind unless you were out their competing against those guys/ladies, let alone making the correct shots, adjustments, ball changes etc.  But since you made a post like this maybe your not a bowler but a Participant.
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Re: PBA current setup is a sham! It was proven today!
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2005, 12:28:03 AM »
What.  Or better yet.... I'll stop!

No one bashed the participants!

No one ever said it was fixed!?  What the %$*K.

What I said instead was that there were 4 great bowlers on TV this weekend and only 1 up to two weeks ago was exempt.  Every one of the participants was great and should be on tour.

Nothing about fixed, Nothing knocking players.  Only saying there are too many great players unable to make a living.

The idea of bluedothooks is awesome.  Perfect!

The goal of a check every week for every participant is what caused this problem.  It is not necessary an open weekly qualifying combined with a small core of exempt players allows the cream to always rise to the top.

That is the old cream and the new cream!

I don't consider myself to be a protour competitor but I have competed a little at times.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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