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PBA is sucking IMO
« on: November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 AM »
I don't know about you guys, but watching these broadcast that are almost 4 months old just aint working for me.

All the other stuff going on w/ format changes and blah, blah, blah is one thing, but I just can't get up for these shows that aren't live.

kinda like kissing your sister imo


 LAME plus they are canceling stops, because proprietors can't pay the PBA the 80 thousand dollars for the " opportunity " to " host "

WTF get over yourselves PBA
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 07:44:35 AM »
seems like there tryn to do TOO MUCH at one time....

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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 07:56:47 AM »
I don't mind seeing them shoot a difficult pattern, and low scores, but I want to see it live. Actually I like seeing them struggle from time to time.

I don't want the PBA to fail, but I am not real confident in their current direction. Piss poor management, by some pencil pushing bean counter, who probably has not not stepped foot in an alley in years is not the people I want in the board meetings.

I don't know what the solution is, but this season is for the birds IMHO

and yes Stopcrank, those were some good times for sure
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 08:06:31 AM »
What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers?  If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever.  They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever.  If the content/delivery is bad, that's not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows.  It does hurt the ball companies though.  The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs.  Looks like they'll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right).
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 08:28:36 AM »
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers?  If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever.  They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever.  If the content/delivery is bad, that's not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows.  It does hurt the ball companies though.  The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs.  Looks like they'll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right).
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live.  when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 08:34:46 AM »
Powers that be in the PBA....see bowling going the way of the WSOP which are mainly all tape delayed.  They think that WSOP is successful so why not the PBA?  I am not sure I agree with that thinking myself.
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 08:45:18 AM »
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when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.



Hockey and Boxing are second tier. Bowling is several tiers below that.

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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 08:45:41 AM »
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Powers that be in the PBA....see bowling going the way of the WSOP which are mainly all tape delayed.  They think that WSOP is successful so why not the PBA?  I am not sure I agree with that thinking myself.
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did the " powers that be " used to be employed by the federal government ?
this logic makes no sense to me. Stopcrank brings up a great point, but to demote bowling to the ranks of poker ? WOW it's worse than I thought.

and for the record, I would prefer to watch poker live also, but only the final table...
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2009, 09:10:03 AM »
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers?  If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever.  They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever.  If the content/delivery is bad, that's not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows.  It does hurt the ball companies though.  The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs.  Looks like they'll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right).
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live.  when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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If the results weren't leaked, it wouldn't make a bit of difference if sports events were taped-delayed.  Obviously, that's impossible.  Again, other than possibly hearing the outcome (which you would pretty much have to do some searching to find) what difference does it make whether it's live or not?  A lot of the guys who enjoy watching bowling will watch old telecasts on ESPN Classic.  That's not live.  If you've just now come to the conclusion that bowling is a second-tier sport, you're a little slow.  Bowling will never be taken a serious sport, it isn't a serious sport.  I can live with that and enjoy it anyways.  You can "sport" it up by making the conditions tougher but that doesn't change the fact that a hack like me can beat a tour pro on any given day and any given pattern.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2009, 09:37:54 AM »
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers?  If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever.  They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever.  If the content/delivery is bad, that''''s not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows.  It does hurt the ball companies though.  The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs.  Looks like they''''ll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right). Oh and for the record, please tell us the last time a "hack" like you won a PBA title??
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live.  when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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If the results weren''''t leaked, it wouldn''''t make a bit of difference if sports events were taped-delayed.  Obviously, that''''s impossible.  Again, other than possibly hearing the outcome (which you would pretty much have to do some searching to find) what difference does it make whether it''''s live or not?  A lot of the guys who enjoy watching bowling will watch old telecasts on ESPN Classic.  That''''s not live.  If you''''ve just now come to the conclusion that bowling is a second-tier sport, you''''re a little slow.  Bowling will never be taken a serious sport, it isn''''t a serious sport.  I can live with that and enjoy it anyways.  You can "sport" it up by making the conditions tougher but that doesn''''t change the fact that a hack like me can beat a tour pro on any given day and any given pattern.
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i watch ESPN classic because ive seen probably 990% of all the bowling they show...watching a tape delayed telecast in which ive already heard the results of takes the fun out of it for me. Thats my opinion, your entitled to yours as well. if your ok with the way the PBA is headed and cant see that they are in trouble then please dont whine and complain when its not around anymore. Without a proper outlet like tv to display just how great the pro''''s are, bowling as a whole will be just like billiards, foosball etc.

and your last sentence is without a doubt one of the reasons bowling is on the decline, the Professional bowlers of today do NOT get the proper respect they deserve. Since its obvious you think bowling against them is so easy, when are you going to Tour Trials? Im sure since it''''s so easy, you''''ll make a killing! Please let us know how you do lmao.
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2009, 10:11:45 AM »
I do respect pro bowlers.  I'm just pointing out reality and how people that haven't tried bowling on sport shots see bowling.  The reality is that I can miss my mark by two boards, go brooklyn, and strike.  In what other sport can you make that big of a mistake and get the same result or better than an opponent who made a good shot?  The poker analogy is actually a good one.  A professional bowler/poker player will consistently beat a novice but can still be beaten by dumb luck.  The element of luck is so great that people see bowling/poker as less than a sport.  

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2009, 10:56:23 AM »
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I do respect pro bowlers.  I''m just pointing out reality and how people that haven''t tried bowling on sport shots see bowling.  The reality is that I can miss my mark by two boards, go brooklyn, and strike.  In what other sport can you make that big of a mistake and get the same result or better than an opponent who made a good shot?  The poker analogy is actually a good one.  A professional bowler/poker player will consistently beat a novice but can still be beaten by dumb luck.  The element of luck is so great that people see bowling/poker as less than a sport.  

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in one game yes, a hack can win. But show me how many "hacks" are going to beat Norm Duke heads up in a best of 7 format. my money would be on Duke every time. Bowling is a physical sport, there''s so many more variables involved than somebody shooting the moon on a poker table.

"In what other sport can you make that big of a mistake and get the same result or better than an opponent who made a good shot?"

This happens in sports alot these days, when technology advances many times margin for error does too. I played baseball most of my early life. Ive watched a ton of games live too. I cant tell you how many balls i see now days that are home-runs that would have been normal routine fly-outs back in the day. What about golf? Look how much bigger club heads are these days as opposed to when Jack and Arnold played. How much more room for error does that larger club head allow?
Look, all im trying to say is if we settle for mediocre in bowling, thats all we will ever be. I say for the PBA to survive, its important for the tv show to be live, just like all the other major sports. Back in the "good ole days" of the PBA, shows were live. Sure things change, i know that. But sometimes you have to look at the reasons for change. Truth be told, i can probably handle the tape-delay if the PBA can survive. But it doesn''t mean i have to like it. Every other country besides the U.S, treats their pro bolwers like kings, over here they are just bowlers. But what i will not accept is the notion of "hacks" thinking they can compete with the big boys. Ive bowled against alot of them at the regional level, they make tough shots look easy, and easy shots that much easier.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2009, 11:17:31 AM »
Just a few thoughts on the subject:

1) Quit screwing around with the patterns. The majority of bowlers, league or open play, or otherwise, don't care about the patterns. You can explain until you are blue in the face about why a pro shot 140....they don't get it and don't care. All they know is that they shot better than that in the thursday late drinking league.

2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try  and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.

3) Instead of trick shots, how about being more technical. Tell the viewer what ball they are using and why. Which drill pattern and why. Give them knowledge.

4) Open the playing field back to whoever wants to try an qualify. I feel that this is a major reason that the prize has gone down....crying shame that the money was better in the 70's than the 2000's.

Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2009, 11:23:28 AM »
Maybe they could try shopping it to the Spike network?
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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2009, 11:35:41 AM »
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2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try  and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.

Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!
It seems like once every other week I have to say the same thing -- this is an awful idea.  Being on ESPN is a huge source of ratings -- people tend to watch whatever is on certain major channels and avoid watching stuff on other smaller networks.  Any time sports have moved from ESPN to Versus, Spike, etc., it hasn't been good for their ratings.  (Just look at the IndyCar Series this past season -- it got only about 1/4 the Nielsen ratings for Versus broadcasts that it got for ABC/ESPN broadcasts, even before the whole DirecTV/Versus thing)  And ESPN intentionally schedules the PBA right against the NFL because it's pretty much the only thing that does draw reasonable ratings in that timeslot.  There's not much we can do about that if ESPN really wants us there.

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Re: PBA is sucking IMO
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2009, 11:37:32 AM »
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Just a few thoughts on the subject:

1) Quit screwing around with the patterns. The majority of bowlers, league or open play, or otherwise, don't care about the patterns. You can explain until you are blue in the face about why a pro shot 140....they don't get it and don't care. All they know is that they shot better than that in the thursday late drinking league.

2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try  and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.

3) Instead of trick shots, how about being more technical. Tell the viewer what ball they are using and why. Which drill pattern and why. Give them knowledge.

4) Open the playing field back to whoever wants to try an qualify. I feel that this is a major reason that the prize has gone down....crying shame that the money was better in the 70's than the 2000's.

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totally agree tracy. my commentsare this:
as for #1, until we all(league and pba) bowl on the same conditons this will always be a problem.

2-Wednesdays prime time was perfect, why did they move from that time slot anyways?

3-PBA product registration is what holds this back. Company A is afraid Company B might get more airtime...my thought on this is if your company isnt getting enough airtime then you need to make better equipment. Just another example of the PBA money-making machine.

4- I agree with this but im not so sure the actualy Pro's do. Am's tend to play all over the place destroying the pattern, where as most pro's work together to break the pattern down in a similar fashion. Most of the Pro's i know cant stand the U.S. open for this very reason.
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